2022 Cleveland Browns Thread

WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
Per overthecap.com

2023 projected cap of $225 million
* Browns are $1.9 mil under the cap with 44 players under contract. That’s 20th out of 32 teams
* Browns have $30.8 mil in cap space from 2022 that I believe they can roll over to 2023. Even if you add the $30 mil the Browns 2023 cap they are still in the bottom half of NFL teams regarding cap space.
* $178.3 mil to the top 8 player cap hits for 2023:
- Watson $54.9 mil, Garrett $29.1 mil, Cooper $23.7 mil, Teller $15.4 mil, Chubb $14.8 mil, Bitonio $14.6 mil, Johnson $13.5 mil, Ward $12.3 mil

2024 projected cap of $256 mil
* Browns are $9.2 mil OVER the cap with just 31 players under contract. That’s 32nd out of 32 teams.

So just how are the Browns in better cap position than what these numbers state?
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The NFL just signed a 14 billion dollar streaming deal with Youtube. The salary cap is going to infinity. I've seen some estimates at a record 220mil for 2023 but I project it actually going higher. And 2024 will be even crazier.

Yes, this impacts all teams. However, the Browns had the foresight to realize this was coming in advance and structure deals accordingly. Those big contracts for Watson, Garrett, Cooper etc are huge assets. Those deals are going to look very, very good in the coming months. I would expect the Browns to continue to restructure deals moving forward.

To understand the NFL salary cap moving forward, one needs to look at the NBA over the last decade. Mind-numbing player contracts are coming.
 
tom 48 said:
Yesterday, Stefanski said he was proud that no one gave up and that the players were determined to win the game. He also said he was very optimistic for next year. This is the bs you will hear today, so there's no use listening.
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You are correct. There will be nothing said today worth hearing fr
y2h said:
1989 Browns 51 Pittsburgh 0
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I was there and loving every minute of it. There was a warm drizzle a lot of the day and the Steelers fans were gone by halftime, but we stayed until the end.

But that was a long time ago and the Browns have sugged since then. Unless you consider the Ravens the direct lineage of that 1989 Browns team…which they really are…and then you can say they’ve been the Steelers equal since then.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
The NFL just signed a 14 billion dollar streaming deal with Youtube. The salary cap is going to infinity. I've seen some estimates at a record 220mil for 2023 but I project it actually going higher. And 2024 will be even crazier.

Yes, this impacts all teams. However, the Browns had the foresight to realize this was coming in advance and structure deals accordingly. Those big contracts for Watson, Garrett, Cooper etc are huge assets. Those deals are going to look very, very good in the coming months. I would expect the Browns to continue to restructure deals moving forward.

To understand the NFL salary cap moving forward, one needs to look at the NBA over the last decade. Mind-numbing player contracts are coming.
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Yeah. All the handwringing about the cap is just drama. It will increase.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
The NFL just signed a 14 billion dollar streaming deal with Youtube. The salary cap is going to infinity. I've seen some estimates at a record 220mil for 2023 but I project it actually going higher. And 2024 will be even crazier.

Yes, this impacts all teams. However, the Browns had the foresight to realize this was coming in advance and structure deals accordingly. Those big contracts for Watson, Garrett, Cooper etc are huge assets. Those deals are going to look very, very good in the coming months. I would expect the Browns to continue to restructure deals moving forward.

To understand the NFL salary cap moving forward, one needs to look at the NBA over the last decade. Mind-numbing player contracts are coming.
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That YouTube deal is approximately $1.5 to $2 billion per year. Assuming $2 mil a year divided by 32 teams = $62.5 Mill per. However per the NFL-NFLPA collective bargaining agreement, 48.8% of the tv revenue goes towards the players & salary cap. Thus $30.5 mil per team at most. I do not believe this amount will be calculated into the salary cap until 2024 or 2025.

In 2 years Chubb and Cooper are either cap casualties or over priced veteran players. I think Chubb is absolutely great but how many 29 year old rb’s are there in the NFL? You State the browns had “foresight” and these contracts “will look very good in the coming months”. Re-read what you stated, then reflect on the last 24 years……you really think Browns management/ownership are ahead capable of anything you stated?
 
cjb5656 said:
You are correct. There will be nothing said today worth hearing fr

I was there and loving every minute of it. There was a warm drizzle a lot of the day and the Steelers fans were gone by halftime, but we stayed until the end.

But that was a long time ago and the Browns have sugged since then. Unless you consider the Ravens the direct lineage of that 1989 Browns team…which they really are…and then you can say they’ve been the Steelers equal since then.
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Equally, for all. Wages will then inflate when there is more loot to be had. The Watson trade still demands a FA to address many needs. The GM struggle could be worse, sure, without a rising cap, but the agents have done the math already, and 53 is still 53.
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
That YouTube deal is approximately $1.5 to $2 billion per year. Assuming $2 mil a year divided by 32 teams = $62.5 Mill per. However per the NFL-NFLPA collective bargaining agreement, 48.8% of the tv revenue goes towards the players & salary cap. Thus $30.5 mil per team at most. I do not believe this amount will be calculated into the salary cap until 2024 or 2025.
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It counts. That is why the final cap # hasn't been released. Also, don't forget this one: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-18/nfl-signs-historic-tv-deal-with-amazon-taking-thursday-rights?leadSource=uverify wall

WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
In 2 years Chubb and Cooper are either cap casualties or over priced veteran players. I think Chubb is absolutely great but how many 29 year old rb’s are there in the NFL? You State the browns had “foresight” and these contracts “will look very good in the coming months”. Re-read what you stated, then reflect on the last 24 years……you really think Browns management/ownership are ahead capable of anything you stated?
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The two guys with the economics degrees from Harvard haven't been here for 24 years... There is a reason the NFL freaked out about the Deshaun Watson contract, and it isn't the reason the woke crowd will tell you...
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
It counts. That is why the final cap # hasn't been released. Also, don't forget this one: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-18/nfl-signs-historic-tv-deal-with-amazon-taking-thursday-rights?leadSource=uverify wall


The two guys with the economics degrees from Harvard haven't been here for 24 years... There is a reason the NFL freaked out about the Deshaun Watson contract, and it isn't the reason the woke crowd will tell you...
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What did the woke crowd say?
 
tom 48 said:
What did the woke crowd say?
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The woke crowd would have you believe the outrage was purely a reflection of Deshaun Watson's moral character. While it's true a lot of fans were outraged for this reason, most NFL front offices could not care less about how big of a scumbag other NFL teams hire. What they do care about is money, and they are very angry because the Browns completely manipulated the NFL salary cap with the structuring of Watson's contract.

Now pay Lamar his money.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
The woke crowd would have you believe the outrage was purely a reflection of Deshaun Watson's moral character. While it's true a lot of fans were outraged for this reason, most NFL front offices could not care less about how big of a scumbag other NFL teams hire. What they do care about is money, and they are very angry because the Browns completely manipulated the NFL salary cap with the structuring of Watson's contract.

Now pay Lamar his money.
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Got it, but I think the non-woke crowd was also pretty much disturbed by Watson's moral character also. But, of course, the owners freaked out only because of the guaranteed money. When it comes to money, there are no morals.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
The woke crowd would have you believe the outrage was purely a reflection of Deshaun Watson's moral character. While it's true a lot of fans were outraged for this reason, most NFL front offices could not care less about how big of a scumbag other NFL teams hire. What they do care about is money, and they are very angry because the Browns completely manipulated the NFL salary cap with the structuring of Watson's contract.

Now pay Lamar his money.
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The NFL owners did not like the Browns $230 mil fully guaranteed contract because it was Fully Guaranteed. The NFL owners have to put 75% of unpaid fully guaranteed contract $$$ in an escrow. That’s $172 mil the Browns owner had to put aside when they signed Watson.

The NFL owners were ticked off by the Browns owner stupidity.
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
The NFL owners did not like the Browns $230 mil fully guaranteed contract because it was Fully Guaranteed. The NFL owners have to put 75% of unpaid fully guaranteed contract $$$ in an escrow. That’s $172 mil the Browns owner had to put aside when they signed Watson.

The NFL owners were ticked off by the Browns owner stupidity.
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It was total desperation.
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
The NFL owners did not like the Browns $230 mil fully guaranteed contract because it was Fully Guaranteed.
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Exactly

WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
The NFL owners have to put 75% of unpaid fully guaranteed contract $$$ in an escrow. That’s $172 mil the Browns owner had to put aside when they signed Watson.
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Watch and see what NFL owners are putting in escrow this offseason LOL

WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
The NFL owners were ticked off by the Browns owner stupidity.
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Jimmy screwed em
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
The NFL just signed a 14 billion dollar streaming deal with Youtube. The salary cap is going to infinity. I've seen some estimates at a record 220mil for 2023 but I project it actually going higher. And 2024 will be even crazier.

Yes, this impacts all teams. However, the Browns had the foresight to realize this was coming in advance and structure deals accordingly. Those big contracts for Watson, Garrett, Cooper etc are huge assets. Those deals are going to look very, very good in the coming months. I would expect the Browns to continue to restructure deals moving forward.

To understand the NFL salary cap moving forward, one needs to look at the NBA over the last decade. Mind-numbing player contracts are coming.
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OhioBobcatFan06 said:
Browns should switch to the 3-3-5 base d
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The Browns will always hire a DC that needs different personnel. It is like a law or something.

I wonder what they talk about when they interview these guys, and how they get sold on a complete reboot instead of a better application of a similar approach ?

Is there another Harbaugh brother that can play whatever hand that he is dealt ? You know, fit the plan to the personnel, for the most part. That sort of thing.
 
What franchise has done worse at never recovering, minus a blip, before heading back downward? I mean think about turnarounds of literally everyone else again and again. I think Haslams are problems, but crap, was same story with Lerners
 
Wildcat97 said:
What franchise has done worse at never recovering, minus a blip, before heading back downward? I mean think about turnarounds of literally everyone else again and again. I think Haslams are problems, but crap, was same story with Lerners
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None. There are other poorly run franchises, but since the expansion Browns started in 1999 they have been the worst franchise in the NFL, without a doubt.

Meanwhile, since their 1994 playoff appearance, the Browns/Ravens franchise has made the playoffs 14 times, won six division titles, two conference championships and two Super Bowls.

Cleveland clearly got the wrong end of the move.
 
I recall back in 1995 the Glazers looked into moving the Buccaneers to Cleveland…playing home games in Columbus until the new stadium was built in CLE. Of course Tampa finally gave in and built a new stadium to keep the Bucs.

What might have been? Since 1995 the Bucs made the playoffs 10 times, won six division titles, two conference championships and two Super Bowls.

Got the worse end of that too.
 
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