2024 NCAA Pick'Em

[OCEagle]

Good recovery round Gomez, Messenbrink, Starocci, Brooks, Davison into the finals.

125 Camacho out
133 Shawver going for 7/8
141 Lemley goes 1-2 and out
157 Shapiro in consi semis
184 Pinto goes 2-2 and out

7 still alive.

 

[BareBear]

25 Figueroa, ASU; 149 Gomez, Mich; 165 Carr, ISU; 174 Starocci, Penn ST; 184 Keckeisen, UNI; 197 Hidlay, NCST: all in the finals.
Hendrickson, AF, con SF.
And the bad news--133 Nagoa, 141 Happel, and 157 Downey, all OUT 2&2

 

[OCEagle]

In the brackets I did, I had Rocco making it to finals. He had a good draw. 125 was a disaster

 

[bdhof]

Round 4
1 - tkdn_wizard - 160.5
2 - rmyers141 - 158
3 - braves1431 - 157.5
4 - said_aouita - 157.5
5 - GOHOINC - 151.5
6 - ohiograppler1 - 150
7 - Northern2003 - 149.5
8 - ohio core - 148
9 - pugluv - 147.5
10 - MUCraider06 - 146.5
11 - A1b2c4 - 145.5
12 - Standing Granby - 145.5
13 - cougar5 - 145
14 - cvbn - 143.5
15 - Guillotine King - 143.5
16 - Patrick.Murphy - 143.5
17 - falcons53 - 142.5
18 - cwglee - 142
19 - RPIWrestling - 142
20 - wdanforth - 142
21 - Pope Francis 1 - 141.5
22 - EastsideCat - 140.5
23 - lionheart - 140
24 - jbone - 139
25 - 00mellc - 138
26 - OaSgUr2013 - 138
27 - Neversaynever - 137.5
28 - TopBottomNeutralDefer - 137
29 - Turn City - 135.5
30 - CoachGoudy - 135
31 - 1-@-uh-x - 133.5
32 - Firebird14 - 133.5
33 - McClearn7 - 133.5
34 - ASams32 - 133
35 - BareBear - 132.5
36 - Divided42 - 132
37 - jj150 - 131.5
38 - Sunnyred - 131.5
39 - whodeybengals - 131.5
40 - Penguin162 - 131
41 - VersaillesFan - 130
42 - Styxbb - 129.5
43 - jdemay8 - 128.5
44 - FirestoneFan - 128
45 - snapspinscore - 127.5
46 - Coachswife2011 - 127
47 - MillerTime - 127
48 - Rebel_Wrestling88 - 127
49 - jmog - 126.5
50 - Raider1803 - 126.5
51 - DarnDude - 126
52 - suplex21 - 125.5
53 - Coffee Black - 125
54 - pinem07 - 125
55 - MHS7 - 124.5
56 - Nate - 124.5
57 - OCEagle - 124.5
58 - DrFunknstein - 124
59 - cpc5304 - 123
60 - GWF - 122.5
61 - Hickskickn - 122.5
62 - nearfall2 - 122.5
63 - coach1up - 122
64 - bucknut157 - 121.5
65 - MPhillips - 121
66 - releasemas - 121
67 - rocco - 121
68 - WGTJ - 121
69 - Yankeefan33 - 121
70 - ChiefPriest - 120.5
71 - Jason L. Jackson - 120.5
72 - salto - 120.5
73 - brianwr112 - 120
74 - CountDaLights - 120
75 - mdwolski - 120
76 - Hokie99 - 118.5
77 - Wrestlingfan001 - 118.5
78 - AHammer - 117.5
79 - REAWrestling - 117
80 - Barndog - 116.5
81 - Dyldude49 - 116.5
82 - Wrestlingfan21 - 116.5
83 - Adamg - 116
84 - buckeyebob1966 - 115.5
85 - Gabe Ellis - 115
86 - maligned - 115
87 - beaverfan - 113.5
88 - 2lite - 112.5
89 - Bucknut7 - 112.5
90 - Hawkeye Fan - 112.5
91 - heavybcat - 112.5
92 - Pile Driver - 111.5
93 - Rolly67 - 111.5
94 - Campolongo - 111
95 - Veto - 111
96 - WishYouWereHere - 111
97 - olivia jo - 110.5
98 - sgnan - 110
99 - CHTigerNation - 109.5
100 - MrCoachV - 109.5
101 - Adummy - 109
102 - cvcfan189 - 109
103 - Gable_Lock - 108.5
104 - Guy Trinetti Jr - 108
105 - said_other - 108
106 - spladlecity - 107
107 - galewrestling - 106.5
108 - raider63 - 106.5
109 - topwrestler - 106.5
110 - Jap Whizzer - 105.5
111 - OSUFan2015 - 105
112 - Burgvikings - 102
113 - CincyWrestler - 102
114 - UsedToBe103 - 102
115 - Mr. Red - 101.5
116 - Mcam - 99
117 - Redflagday - 96.5
118 - bdhof - 95
119 - janetburnett - 93
120 - Boro Fan - 89
121 - Coach Dan - 85.5
122 - NolesTig - 77.5

 

[Yankeefan33]

13 out of 20 finalists won a medal at age level world championships:

125- Richie Figueroa- 2018 U17 2nd
133- Vito Arujau- 2023 Senior 1st, 2019 U20 2nd, 2016 U17 2nd
133- Daton Fix- 2021 Senior 2nd, 2018 U20 3rd, 2017 U20 1st, 2016 U20 3rd, 2015 U17 3rd
141- Jesse Mendez- 2023 U20 2nd
141- Beau Bartlett- 2021 U20 3rd
157- Jacori Teemer- 2017 U17 3rd
165- David Carr- 2019 U20 1st, 2016 U17 3rd
165- Mitch Mesenbrink- 2023 U20 1st, 2022 U20 2nd
174- Carter Starocci- 2022 U23 3rd
197- Aaron Brooks- 2023 U23 1st, 2018 U20 2nd, 2017 U17 1st
197- Trent Hidlay- 2022 U23 2nd, 2019 U20 3rd
285- Greg Kerkvliet- 2018 U17 2nd, 2017 U17 1st
285- Lucas Davison- 2019 U20 2nd

Gomez made a U17 team in 2013, and will wrestle in the Olympics this year for Mexico
Haines made a U17 team in 2021
Plott made a U23 team in 2023

You want to wrestle on Saturday night? Wrestle freestyle!

 

[OCEagle]

Now I know how Hardy felt against Mendes in the third period...let's just get this over with

 

[WGTJ]

Could I possibly pull off the ever elusive 2 Meaty Oaker awards in one season? Climbing closer!

 

[said_aouita]

Congrats Kasek, coming back in the consis so far strong.

 

[bdhof]

118 - bdhof - 95
119 - janetburnett - 93
120 - Boro Fan - 89
121 - Coach Dan - 85.5
122 - NolesTig - 77.5

Wishing I could just be Meaty Oaker

Goldilocks
Not Too Hot, Not Too Cold, Just Meaty Oaker

 

[TheFan1]

13 out of 20 finalists won a medal at age level world championships:

133- Daton Fix- 2021 Senior 2nd, 2018 U20 3rd, 2017 U20 1st, 2016 U20 3rd, 2015 U17 3rd

Fix was on the U20 World Team when Rocco was in 5th grade (6th if held back in jh)

 

[CantonKid]

Can someone list the standings with the points and where Ohio State is at.

Thank you

 

[bdhof]

Team Scores
1 Penn State 148.0
2 Michigan 64.5
3 Iowa 60.0
4 Arizona State 59.5
4 Iowa State 59.5
6 Cornell 58.5
7 Nebraska 57.5
8 Ohio State 57.0
9 Oklahoma State 55.0
10 Virginia Tech 53.0
11 NC State 48.5
12 South Dakota State 43.0
13 Missouri 40.0
14 Northern Iowa 34.5
15 Lehigh 31.0

 

[CantonKid]

Team Scores
1 Penn State 148.0
2 Michigan 64.5
3 Iowa 60.0
4 Arizona State 59.5
4 Iowa State 59.5
6 Cornell 58.5
7 Nebraska 57.5
8 Ohio State 57.0
9 Oklahoma State 55.0
10 Virginia Tech 53.0
11 NC State 48.5
12 South Dakota State 43.0
13 Missouri 40.0
14 Northern Iowa 34.5
15 Lehigh 31.0

Thank you very much it's much appreciated.

 

[TheFan1]

Biggest surprises to me not to AA:
Ramos
Davis
Latona
Spratley?
Ramirez
PINTO
HAMITI
BASTIDA

Last 3 tops on my list, followed closely by Ramos.

 

[bdhof]

For those of you who are on the GOAT alert, PSU is at 148 now, 22 short of Iowa's 1997 score of 170 (or 23.5 short of MP's new math that takes into account scoring changes). Kasak and Truax will be going this morning. They earn 3.5 pts each w/ a win next round in the conso finals. They can add 1, 1.5 or 2 w/ bonus pts. Then in their final match (3rd/4th or 5th/6th) they add 1 pt plus bonus. So these 2 will add somewhere between 0-18 pts combined. Going off of seeds, Kasak and Truax will be the underdogs in all of their matches. Now we all know that seeds don't mean much but this gives you some perspective. The finals is a little different where PSU is a favorite (per seeds) in 3 of their 6 matches. And I would say Starocci is a favorite as well. Messenbrink is seeded as a fav but Carr could win this one. The other finals match is Mendez vs Bartlett. Obviously Mendez is the higher seed but they have split this year, so it's really a tossup. These matches are worth 4 pts each and bonus pts could add more, but those pts are harder to get at this level, but still very possible. So the whole GOAT thing comes down to a few key matches and a few bonus pts. I'll do an update after the next round if I remember .

 

[bdhof]

Biggest surprises to me not to AA:
Ramos
Davis
Latona
Spratley?
Ramirez
PINTO
HAMITI
BASTIDA

Last 3 tops on my list, followed closely by Ramos.

I had 2 on my team

 

[bdhof]

For those of you who are on the GOAT alert, PSU is at 148 now, 22 short of Iowa's 1997 score of 170 (or 23.5 short of MP's new math that takes into account scoring changes). Kasak and Truax will be going this morning. They earn 3.5 pts each w/ a win next round in the conso finals. They can add 1, 1.5 or 2 w/ bonus pts. Then in their final match (3rd/4th or 5th/6th) they add 1 pt plus bonus. So these 2 will add somewhere between 0-18 pts combined. Going off of seeds, Kasak and Truax will be the underdogs in all of their matches. Now we all know that seeds don't mean much but this gives you some perspective. The finals is a little different where PSU is a favorite (per seeds) in 3 of their 6 matches. And I would say Starocci is a favorite as well. Messenbrink is seeded as a fav but Carr could win this one. The other finals match is Mendez vs Bartlett. Obviously Mendez is the higher seed but they have split this year, so it's really a tossup. These matches are worth 4 pts each and bonus pts could add more, but those pts are harder to get at this level, but still very possible. So the whole GOAT thing comes down to a few key matches and a few bonus pts. I'll do an update after the next round if I remember .

Kasak upsets 1 seed Lovett by MD
Advances to 3rd/4th
PSU = 152.5

 

[bdhof]

Kasak upsets 1 seed Lovett by MD
PSU = 152.5
I had it 153 but scoreboard shows 152.5.

Truax loses by fall.
Drops to 5th/6th
Still 152.5

 

[GWF]

For those of you who are on the GOAT alert, PSU is at 148 now, 22 short of Iowa's 1997 score of 170 (or 23.5 short of MP's new math that takes into account scoring changes).

I missed this. What was the formula, and besides the three-point takedown, what are the scoring differences from '97 to the current format?

 

[bdhof]

I missed this. What was the formula, and besides the three-point takedown, what are the scoring differences from '97 to the current format?

From MP

Copied from a friend on another bbs.

Scoring 1997 v 2024

There are differences between then and now in all three elements of team scoring.

Bonus - In 1997 they distinguished between a tech fall without back points (called a match termination) and one with back points (called a tech fall). A match termination was worth 1 team point, while a tech fall was worth 1.5 team points. Today they are all worth 1.5 team points. So, we need to adjust Iowa’s total by adding a half point to any match terminations (foreshadowing – this will get tricky).

Advancement – In 1997 the tournament was scored as a 64-man bracket whenever there was a pig tail. Not every weight had pigtails though. Today it is always scored as a 32-man bracket with a pigtail. So, what is the difference? In a 64-man bracket everyone who wins a first round match in the championship (or consolation) bracket gets an extra point (or half point). For example, in a 64-man bracket the winner gets 5 advancement points instead of the current 4 points.

Placement - Placement points for third through eighth place were also different in 1997. We will also need to adjust Iowa’s total for these differences.

Putting It All Together

The 1997 Iowa team loses the extra 4.5 advancement points available in their 64-man brackets at 142, 158, 177, 190, and 275. But they get an extra bonus point at 150 as Lincoln McIlravy’s 1-point match terminations become 1.5-point tech falls. They also pick up an extra 5 placement points for their sixth and fifth place finishes.

Adding it all up and 1997 Iowa now has 171.5 points.

That is the real point record PSU needs to shoot for.

 

[GWF]

From MP

Copied from a friend on another bbs.

Scoring 1997 v 2024

There are differences between then and now in all three elements of team scoring.

Bonus - In 1997 they distinguished between a tech fall without back points (called a match termination) and one with back points (called a tech fall). A match termination was worth 1 team point, while a tech fall was worth 1.5 team points. Today they are all worth 1.5 team points. So, we need to adjust Iowa’s total by adding a half point to any match terminations (foreshadowing – this will get tricky).

Advancement – In 1997 the tournament was scored as a 64-man bracket whenever there was a pig tail. Not every weight had pigtails though. Today it is always scored as a 32-man bracket with a pigtail. So, what is the difference? In a 64-man bracket everyone who wins a first round match in the championship (or consolation) bracket gets an extra point (or half point). For example, in a 64-man bracket the winner gets 5 advancement points instead of the current 4 points.

Placement - Placement points for third through eighth place were also different in 1997. We will also need to adjust Iowa’s total for these differences.

Putting It All Together

The 1997 Iowa team loses the extra 4.5 advancement points available in their 64-man brackets at 142, 158, 177, 190, and 275. But they get an extra bonus point at 150 as Lincoln McIlravy’s 1-point match terminations become 1.5-point tech falls. They also pick up an extra 5 placement points for their sixth and fifth place finishes.

Adding it all up and 1997 Iowa now has 171.5 points.

That is the real point record PSU needs to shoot for.

Thanks bdhof. Wouldn’t you also have to go back and award 3 points for every takedown Iowa and their opponents scored in a match and adjust final match scores? I’m guessing this would have resulted in more bonus point wins for Iowa.

 

[bdhof]

Truax upsets Salizar MINN by MD
PSU

Thanks bdhof. Wouldn’t you also have to go back and award 3 points for every takedown Iowa and their opponents scored in a match and adjust final match scores? I’m guessing this would have resulted in more bonus point wins for Iowa.

Won't be doing that.

 

[bdhof]

Truax upsets (mild upset) Salazr MINN by MD.
PSU 154.5

 

[Pope Francis 1]

Biggest surprises to me not to AA:
Ramos
Davis
Latona
Spratley?
Ramirez
PINTO
HAMITI
BASTIDA

Last 3 tops on my list, followed closely by Ramos.

That's the last time I pick a guy named after a bean.......

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[bdhof]

And how about Feldman knocking off the ginormous Schutz?

 

[bdhof]

Truax upsets (mild upset) Salazr MINN by MD.
PSU 154.5

And Kasak w/ a mild upset over Waters WV
PSU 155.5
That's it for PSU until tonight. They need 4 champs (4 pts each match) + a bonus pt to set a new record (over new math). I count 3 w/o blinking - Starocci, Brooks and Kerk. And I'd put Haines in the probable category, and Bartlett & Messenbrink in the tossup category.

 

[bdhof]

And Kasak w/ a mild upset over Waters WV
PSU 155.5
That's it for PSU until tonight. They need 4 champs (4 pts each match) + a bonus pt to set a new record (over new math). I count 3 w/o blinking - Starocci, Brooks and Kerk. And I'd put Haines in the probable category, and Bartlett & Messenbrink in the tossup category.

Other records on the betting line
Greatest margin of victory 70
2005 Oklahoma State John Smith 153 Michigan 83 St. Louis

Most NCAA champs 5
IOWA 1986, 1997
PSU 2017

 

[bdhof]

 

[nearfall2]

Other records on the betting line
Greatest margin of victory 70
2005 Oklahoma State John Smith 153 Michigan 83 St. Louis

Most NCAA champs (not sure what year)
IOWA 5

Iowa had 5 champions in 1986 and 1997.

 

[bdhof]

Round 5
1 - rmyers141 - 177.5
2 - tkdn_wizard - 168
3 - cougar5 - 166.5
4 - braves1431 - 165
5 - Guillotine King - 165
6 - said_aouita - 165
7 - CoachGoudy - 164
8 - wdanforth - 161.5
9 - 00mellc - 160.5
10 - A1b2c4 - 160.5
11 - OaSgUr2013 - 160.5
12 - RPIWrestling - 160.5
13 - Standing Granby - 160.5
14 - Northern2003 - 160
15 - ohio core - 160
16 - Pope Francis 1 - 158
17 - pugluv - 156.5
18 - ohiograppler1 - 155.5
19 - jmog - 155
20 - falcons53 - 154.5
21 - GOHOINC - 154.5
22 - EastsideCat - 152.5
23 - Neversaynever - 152.5
24 - cvbn - 152
25 - MUCraider06 - 152
26 - DarnDude - 151.5
27 - jbone - 150.5
28 - whodeybengals - 150
29 - 1-@-uh-x - 149
30 - Patrick.Murphy - 149
31 - TopBottomNeutralDefer - 149
32 - cwglee - 148
33 - Nate - 148
34 - Penguin162 - 147.5
35 - Styxbb - 146.5
36 - jj150 - 146
37 - lionheart - 145.5
38 - McClearn7 - 144.5
39 - Divided42 - 144
40 - snapspinscore - 144
41 - FirestoneFan - 143
42 - pinem07 - 142.5
43 - Sunnyred - 142
44 - jdemay8 - 141.5
45 - ASams32 - 140.5
46 - rocco - 140.5
47 - DrFunknstein - 139.5
48 - VersaillesFan - 139.5
49 - BareBear - 139
50 - beaverfan - 139
51 - Rebel_Wrestling88 - 138.5
52 - MillerTime - 137.5
53 - Raider1803 - 137.5
54 - Firebird14 - 137
55 - bucknut157 - 135.5
56 - Turn City - 135.5
57 - cpc5304 - 134
58 - Hokie99 - 134
59 - MPhillips - 133
60 - suplex21 - 133
61 - Yankeefan33 - 133
62 - Wrestlingfan001 - 132.5
63 - coach1up - 132
64 - GWF - 132
65 - MHS7 - 132
66 - OCEagle - 132
67 - REAWrestling - 132
68 - releasemas - 132
69 - salto - 131.5
70 - Barndog - 130.5
71 - Coffee Black - 130.5
72 - WGTJ - 130.5
73 - Hickskickn - 130
74 - Rolly67 - 130
75 - Coachswife2011 - 129
76 - 2lite - 128.5
77 - Bucknut7 - 128
78 - CountDaLights - 127.5
79 - nearfall2 - 127.5
80 - ChiefPriest - 127
81 - Dyldude49 - 127
82 - Gabe Ellis - 127
83 - Jason L. Jackson - 127
84 - maligned - 127
85 - OSUFan2015 - 127
86 - galewrestling - 126
87 - MrCoachV - 126
88 - olivia jo - 125.5
89 - AHammer - 125
90 - brianwr112 - 125
91 - buckeyebob1966 - 125
92 - Pile Driver - 125
93 - Veto - 125
94 - Adamg - 124.5
95 - Hawkeye Fan - 124.5
96 - Adummy - 123.5
97 - mdwolski - 123
98 - sgnan - 123
99 - Wrestlingfan21 - 123
100 - heavybcat - 122
101 - CHTigerNation - 121.5
102 - Campolongo - 121
103 - Guy Trinetti Jr - 121
104 - WishYouWereHere - 121
105 - Gable_Lock - 119.5
106 - spladlecity - 119
107 - Jap Whizzer - 118
108 - UsedToBe103 - 116
109 - raider63 - 115
110 - Redflagday - 115
111 - topwrestler - 115
112 - Burgvikings - 114
113 - CincyWrestler - 114
114 - cvcfan189 - 113
115 - Mcam - 110
116 - said_other - 110
117 - bdhof - 108
118 - Mr. Red - 107.5
119 - janetburnett - 102.5
120 - Boro Fan - 96.5
121 - Coach Dan - 96.5
122 - NolesTig - 96.5