Interesting conversations throughout the season about a school that hasn’t been relevant in this sport for 20+ years! Great for Seton for their season and an overall winning record in a very long time!
So out of curiosity, I looked at Seton’s 23-24 schedule with an open mind. I did not include league play as those are games you have to play (BTW outside of MND, that league is just outright horrible in basketball) & tournament games. Overall Seton went 6-8. Out of those losses, I would consider only 3 bad/tough ones (Oak Hills (neighborhood rival), McNick & Edgewood) – all 3 had winning %’s around 50% & were towards the bottom of their respective conferences. For the 6 games they won, the teams had a cumulative winning % of 20%
At the end of the day, outside the 3 bad/tough losses, the coach won the games he was supposed to win. He had a winning season (overall & in the league for 2 straight years) and is turning around a program that has been at the bottom of the league/city for 20+ years.
What are the Seton parents expectations? Are the parents mad about not winning those 3 games? Do you think a new coach will come in and now Seton will be able to beat the MND/Mason’s of the world in SW Ohio because they have all this "talent"? Outside the 5 tough games, their out of conference schedule this past season appeared to be extremely weak.
BTW the comment regarding “stepping up in preseason” and playing a tough schedule was hilarious – coaches should always do that as it is a gauge of where you stand as a program heading into a season
Spot on.
The fact of the matter is Seton was 1-10 against teams with winning records, including double digit losses to multiple non-D1 teams. One win was Mt. Healthy who wouldn’t be above .500 in any other D1 league but their own.
They were above .500 because they had wins against:
Anderson (2-21)
Turpin (8-16)
Little Miami (7-16)
Colerain (3-20)
Fenwick (1-21)
And 6 wins against the bottom 3 of the GGCL.
At some point, it’s about talent just as much as it is coaching. Coaching shot 21% from the floor and 10% from 3 against Ross in a game they scored 21 points and lost? Coaching shot 25% from 3 and turned the ball over 22 times in a loss to a below .500 Edgewood team?
Seton has slightly above average basketball players and I don’t know why they’re getting this much attention other than the fact that the parents are bringing it on themselves. They have 0 kids with next level offers on the team, 0 kids that play for high quality AAU programs, as a matter of fact they’re encouraged to play for their home west side feeder team, the Lady Irish in local non exposure tournaments. The “west side good” sentiment is exactly right.
The “assistants could do it better” line is such a bad take, every school in the country that doesn’t win games points directly to that because the assistants are the “good guys” and people point at the head coach as if the assistants aren’t in the same gym every hour of practice every week.
The preseason schedule was worthless. Didn’t translate one bit to the season so why even bring that up. Hang a banner for only losing to Purcell by 50?
There is now a self-created problem in the program that they graduate 0 seniors, had a really good freshmen and JV team and have good incoming freshmen. Something is going to have to give, the Seton JV and freshmen parents aren’t going to like being told there’s no room on varsity next year.
The fact of the matter is that they’re not on the same level as Princeton, MND, Mason, Winton Woods, or even West Clermont, Kings, Lakota East, Walnut, etc.
The notion that “we challenge ourselves with the best” is a facade, because the weak non conference schedule when it matters clearly tells a different story.
A coaching change isn’t going to fix any of the above issues. I don’t see them hiring anyone on staff currently if there was such an issue with the coaching that everyone wanted them out. AD’s are usually reluctant to hire assistants from a staff that had problems.