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As for Martins Ferry vs Bishops Rosecrans back Jan 25 at BR, this game was not as close as the final score indicated 70-57 MF, MF was up 38-20 at half and was up by 20 points in the second half, but Rosecrans made the score more respectable there at end of the game
 
I may not make it tonight to the game still not over being sick but I am going try to make it my cough is a lot better but still have the chills.
 
Both Monroe Central and Martins Ferry have a Tuesday, Friday games before there big clash on Saturday at MF,so stama could play a part in this game, depends on which team has to use there starters the most for there Tuesday and Friday games
 
Hawksfan197 said:
I may not make it tonight to the game still not over being sick but I am going try to make it my cough is a lot better but still have the chills.
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It's going to interesting to see how the Hawks come and play ,after that heartbreaking loss to IV, tonight will be senior night so that will add to the emotions
 
Hawksfan197 said:
I sure hope we get to play malvern we had a better schedule overall so hope that goes in the consideration. I looked at the east bracket I think it is the weakest bracket I had seen. Monroe central is not that good after looking at there schedule they play no one that is why they are undefeated. Only team I am worried about is the jeeps with the size they have. I am not sure about there bench I watch a little on YouTube they did not sub a lot if any. They are definitely not on the same level as OG I think we should cruise hopefully we don’t have a brain fart like we did against garaway.
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Maybe your Hawks should have beat Indian Valley on Friday if you wanted a shot at the Hornets
 
I talk to someone at Hiland about the IVC showcase and he told me that it goes by points not the schedule. We beat them by 4 the first time so it sounds like we should play malvern.
 
Hawksfan197 said:
He was just uniform because of senior night but are you sure that he tore his acl
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Hawksfan197 said:
I talk to someone at Hiland about the IVC showcase and he told me that it goes by points not the schedule. We beat them by 4 the first time so it sounds like we should play malvern.
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That's hard to believe that it would go that way , because then that's saying you could run up the score on another team,I was told maybe overall record or they might use the RPI system for a tie breaker
 
If they did use the RPI rankings
Indian Valley 0.654836
Hiland 0.641481
Then IV would win the tie breaker that way
 
hofcity330 said:
I watched the video and knocked out? Didn’t he keep playing? When was this like 6 years ago, should we bring up all the Strasburg dirt from years ago?
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It would have been the 2019-2020 season. I have the video. I am interested in the Strasburg dirt. Please tell
 
The Adam Schefter said:
Coach miller shook hands so I don’t know how that’s classeless! Shame on him for not pulling all of his players out of a circle of like 60 people to shake hands lmao
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It’s Highschool basketball. The kids are excited they won a big game vs Hiland. It’s really not a big deal they stormed the court. I don’t think Hiland would do that but it’s just different philosophies. Nothing wrong with either
 
TheLine said:
Maybe your Hawks should have beat Indian Valley on Friday if you wanted a shot at the Hornets
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Both teams have 2 IVC losses. The IVC south is shared. According to IV they won the South. Did they forget what happened at Hiland? I don't care as much who plays Malvern just give credit where it's due. IV and Hiland are both good. As is Sandy,Garaway and Tusky. It's a good league.
 
There co-champs Hiland and IV share the IVC South crown,it took a once in a million chances there at the end , for IV to even get to be co-champs
 
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with out Alex Yoder in there, Tyson Pryor wouldn't have donated the inside like he did on boards and scoring
 
What ever tie breaker they use to determine,who plays Malvern, doesn't make one better than the other
 
Garaway’s staff is allowing embarrassing antics from players. Coach Rowe was at halfcourt during jv game???? Is this normal??
 
Bucketz said:
Garaway’s staff is allowing embarrassing antics from players. Coach Rowe was at halfcourt during jv game???? Is this normal??
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Last year...same thing. Year before...same thing. Also, Garaway players constantly talk, look, and show poor body language to referees. (all of these things equivalate to poor leadership and a lack of mental toughness)

Plus, some pretty poor crowd behavior the last few seasons. (clowns)
 
Damage450 said:
I know this is the boys forum but how long is the IVC going to continue to put on this ridiculous girls' basketball showcase event? The games are an utter joke every year. I am not sure a team from the South has ever lost a game and they are almost all blowouts. They hold the event at the farthest point from every other school and they know that even though the event sucks the parents will come and they can charge $8 to come watch their kids. The IVC should be paying the fans $8 to attend this event.

I know the equity crowd would be upset but other than them who actually wants this event? I doubt the coaches want it. I know the players don't. Do they just have it because they feel like they need to so they can have a Boys' Showcase?
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IVCguy said:
There are some serious issues in girls basketball. It's better every decade, but there are some fixed realities that remain.

One problem is that most sports fans are male and most men and boys do not want to watch females play basketball. We have Title IX and this new equity stuff that tries to contrive sameness, but you can't force people to like something they don't like.

I never liked it either, but I had a dau and so I had to spend thousands of hours numbing my fat arse on a bleacher watching girls play basketball, so I made an effort to like it. The first thing I had to do was stop comparing it to the boys game. Boys play a smoother game and it's easier to watch. It relies on speed and athleticism and is played at or above the rim. The girls game is played below the rim, is more disjointed with more stoppages in play, less athletic, and relies more on execution. If you can appreciate the execution aspect, you can enjoy the girls game.

Another problem is fundamental skill level. I don't think many schools care about girls basketball. There aren't a lot of good coaches and there is a lack of commitment to systematic fundamental skill instruction. Girls who play in the 7th grade without being able to dribble with either hand, execute chest and bounce passes, set screens, block out, secure a rebound with both hands, make an outlet pass to start a break, shoot with form, get in a defensive stance, etc., - get killed when they play a team that has been learning those skills since they were 5 year olds. And you see them move into HS without mastering those skills too often.

I was watching the Hiland girls play on streaming with the sound off the other night. They are very skilled. But I kept saying, "girls" - in a frustrated tone. My wife finally asked me why I was doing that. Lol.

Girls do some infuriating things. On 3 straight plays Hiland tried to make 3/4 court one-handed passes to a streaking player and turned it over on all 3 attempts. Very few girls can make that pass, but the ones that can't will keep doing it even after consecutive failures!

End of clock situations really irk me in girls basketball. I even see it in college. There's 10-15 sec left (or less) and it seems about half the time, they never even get a shot off. It's almost like they don't have an awareness of when they have to shoot the ball so time runs out with them dribbling or passing when they should be shooting!

Another peeve of mine is boys secure a rebound, chin the ball, instinctively pivot away from the defense, and everyone runs to the other end as he gets the outlet pass to a guard. Girls often get a rebound, bring the ball to their waist, and won't pivot away from opposing players (sometimes pivot into the defense) - all of which invites the other players to stay in the paint hacking at the ball, which often causes it to be dislodged or tied up. If that doesn't happen, I see too much where the rebounder is in such a hurry to get the ball to the guard, she throws it OOB or it gets picked off - all because she didn't wait one second until it was there. Drives me nuts. Lol.

There just aren't enough highly skilled teams with elite athletes on them, so we don't see a lot of competitive games. The best games are when two highly skilled teams play. The competitive games are most often among the low skill teams and those are unwatchable.

People appreciate and want to see greatness - or, at least, exceptional performers and athletes. Caitlin Clark is proving that right now. Women and girls basketball needs more Caitlins, but the reason she is such a phenom is that she is such a rare player. But if girls basketball can do more to teach skills more broadly and find more exceptional athletes to play the sport, I think they can attract more fans, men in particular. But despite the nonsense gender ideas floating around today, there are differences in size, speed, strength, and athleticism between the sexes and women will have trouble appealing to some people because of that. FWIW

As it is, if society has determined that girls sports must have the exact same opportunities as boys, then we will continue to have a girls showcase if the boys have one.

I suspect Coach B Schlabach would rather play Newark, Reynoldsburg, Mason, etc., than the #1 team in the IVC North, but it is what it is.
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Yes, for the most part HS girls basketball is rough to watch. I don't believe the showcase is needed for boys or girls. Each season IVC teams change up their crossover games so its not like all the teams don't eventually play each other at some point over a few year span. The counter argument would be that the IVC makes some money off the boys showcase.

Girls basketball has been on steep numbers decline since 2010 for many reasons (I'm not sure it can be fixed).

Historically, if you talk about WINS. Hiland and Garaway are 2 of the winningest programs in the history of Ohio girls basketball (both over 900 wins). Obviously, Hiland has had many more trips to the final 4. Hiland numbers have declined (no jv team for several years). For a long time Garaway had a freshman girls team, JV team, and varsity squad. I believe they had 10 girls in HS play this season. And I think that is a big part of what we are seeing. A lack of participation forces a lot of freshman to play varsity basketball 1 or 2 years before they should be. Even if they come up through a decent youth and MS program. Few freshman are ever ready. Many freshman need JV experience and they are not getting it. Plus, like you said, not many good coaches and programs (especially in the IVC area).
 
watched Malvern for first time last night...I thought the game was up for grabs. I've heard a lot of talk about this Malvern team and how good they are. An early exit in district final would not be surprising. Not a final 4 caliber team. Don't guard well in half court and their full court pressure is so so (will get exploited by good guards and rim finishers).
 
Pirates slowed the game down and played deliberate offense like they did against Hiland. Garaway hit some really timely 3s. Difference was that the Hornets got and maintained the lead. Still, it was shaky - they would be up 7 and I was thinking they would put it away, but then it was 3. Hornets made enough FTs down the stretch to pull it out.

Good game. I enjoyed it.
 
Wonder if Malvern has ever had a undefeated regular season in school history I know there's nothing they can do about it, but the IVC North bottom half teams is not helping them, when your beating up the likes of TCC, Newcomerstown,CV, and Strasburg who is down this season,does not help you in the long run, I would like to seen them really beef up there non-league schedule, only the Maysville game stands out to me as being very good non-league opponent
 
If behavior doesn't fall short of the standard of pointing to the groin and saying "Suck it", I guess it's OK. :)
 
I sometimes wonder if Garaway's success in football is going to there head,in other sports, because when they step on the court, they act like there going to bully you
 
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