DonCalipari
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Been to a couple of 7 on 7 and I've liked some of the players I've seen from smaller schools.
Yes at these camps I see bad habits & bad techniques especially from the defensive backs.I think they have their merits when conducted properly and used as an extension of practice itself. Going to competitions and other camps lead to poor habits and tendencies rather than using it as a means to develop proper habits and techniques.
15 to 16 games every year for the Pick C Sports factory may be. Not many other schools though lol . It can be helpful I suppose in some ways but , how much ? Not sure . Reps throwing and catching , running routes, Reps of guys defending one on one . Hard to quantify the bad habits that may be picked up by the QB or defenders though. You start practice after that , scrimmages and then game action. Not sure you can spot bad '7 on 7 'Habits". Same theory as guy who don't want to enter home run hitting contests? Bad habits? Swing issues after ? { Then again everyone upper cuts { swing planes} and tries to get the ball up in the air EVERY TIME now } I think it's fun for some kids and it helps develop some chemistry . I realize fun is not usually a reason given as to why you do something athletically these days lolOur high school team doesn’t do 7on7. Definitely not a fan for QBs as it’s too easy to develop bad habits. Plus, the season could be 15-16 games plus camps, off season workouts, conditioning, basketball, baseball, etc… It can become too much.
At syndicates like pickerington you have D1 talent at every spot and can do the same in practice,for us small Podunk cowtowns who scrape by with 5 foot nothin kids and barely enough to go 11 on 11 they are important to go against other first team defenses.Our high school team doesn’t do 7on7. Definitely not a fan for QBs as it’s too easy to develop bad habits. Plus, the season could be 15-16 games plus camps, off season workouts, conditioning, basketball, baseball, etc… It can become too much.
While not a fan of them, I do think they keep the kids competitive during the summer and like you said are meant to be fun. I've witnessed first hand too many 7 on 7 champions go 5-5 when it really mattered. 5 years ago a school in our conference blew up the 7 on 7 circuit one summer (state and regional 7 on 7 tournaments) only to get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs to a Wing T offense.And keeps the kids interested. It’s ok if practice is fun sometimes.
Yes, if used as an extension of practice and proper instruction is taking place, rather than focusing on the competition aspect. However, these 7 on 7 tournaments are becoming like AAU games where it is an opportunity to take risks and show off athleticism, rather than play within a scheme and learn fundamentals.We keep talking about ‘bad habits’ but isn’t the point of these so you can be coached out of them?
I think it’s great and it gives you a chance to see other team’s schemes and test your ability to adapt on the fly and coach the kids what to do against an offense/defense different than your own.
I agree 100% with this.It has value. It’s good for defenses to line up according to formations and make adjustments to motion. It also allows auto check installs. Offensively it good for qb’s to learn pre snap coverage recognition. Receivers also can learn routes and adjustments according to coverages.
You mean like Kenton who goes to out of state tourny's?I don't care for schools making big deals about winning 7 on 7 tournaments. Usually those that do are ones that it's their only significant accomplishment that season.
Other than that, I'm indifferent.
A little, but at least Wildkitties have some hardware. I was thinking in terms of my alma mater.You mean like Kenton who goes to out of state tourny's?
Overblown?7on7 is one of the most overblown things in high school. It has merit in the fact of seeing which kids want to compete but that's it. The defense knows it's a pass, the offense knows they can't be hit. It really doesn't mean anything when it comes to the outcome of the season.
I said it doesn't mean anything in terms of the outcome of the season. Because It doesn't.Overblown?
To a point, but to say it doesnt mean anything then you must also believe practice doesnt mean anything.
It is just another way to practice. That is it. Against another team's first team isntead of backups for those in small schools where kids go both ways.
To dismiss them is wrong, just as making too big of deal of them is wrong as well.
It's practice.I said it doesn't mean anything in terms of the outcome of the season. Because It doesn't.
7on7 is very useful when used right. run your offense and focus on your QB making his reads.
from a defense standpoint, it’s helpful except when you tell your linebackers to bail.
agreed. 7on7 can either create very good tendencies or very bad ones. it’s up to coachingLike anything else.
You get out of something what you put into it.
no different than in practice, it is on the coaches to teach the proper techniques and not let it happen.
if some teams LBs always bail to help them get into their areas quicker it may help that 7/7 result but hurt themselves in the season.
Totally agree with this. It can also be helpful to schools breaking in a new coach/system7on7 is very useful when used right. run your offense and focus on your QB making his reads.
from a defense standpoint, it’s helpful except when you tell your linebackers to bail.
Wing T squads see more benefits on the defensivew side for 7/7.7 vs 7s are good for identifying the T-Shirt All American's for the most part. We have all seen QBs at camps that look great in the 7 vs 7 scrimmages but couldn't hit a bull in the with a bass fiddle if you grab a helmet and pair of shoulder pads and slam them together. I do think 7 vs 7 has some value especially for your pass defense, but most people hype the value and put way too much focus on them. I see wing T teams at 7 vs 7s that will not throw the ball all season as much as they threw it in one 7 vs 7 scrimmage. 7 vs 7 does nothing for your running game or run defense so if you play in a conference that doesn't really throw the ball and you have a team that doesn't really throw the ball I am not sure how much you really get out of it. Just my two cents
If you cannot shut out a Wing-T team at a passing scrimmage you play really bad pass D.Wing T squads see more benefits on the defensivew side for 7/7.
They do not get good looks in practice.