Wooster General Football Is Looking For New Football Coach
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fantastic50
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Before going to WHS, Holter spent eight seasons as OC at Denison University, one of College of Wooster's rivals. In that era, Denison put up big numbers on offense and won/shared two NCAC titles, at a place that isn't a traditional D3 football power.
lightspeed84
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Being a HC at a D3 school is no walk in the park, low pay (for the amount of hours), constant staff turnover, typically young coaches. I said on IUDOG coaches opening thread- that Holter leaving is High school teaching position was not a smart decision long term is regards to pay/retirement.
fantastic50
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His wife is a physician at the Cleveland Clinic's Wooster office, so compensation might not be the main factor. The Holter family was already living in Wooster while he was still coaching at Denison (and that's a 90-minute drive each way), so the commute may have been part of the motivation for leaving a D3 college position in the first place.
2021 article: https://wooster.edu/alum/holter-wooster-high-school-head-football-coach/
MassillonK1D330
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It's not about your coaching record it's about the knowledge and what you bring to the table. Not every coach is a winning coach but that doesn't mean they're a bad coach a lot of guys can break down the x's and o's of the game better than some winning coaches it just depends on what you're looking for.
its all about wins and losses, you being from Massillon should know that
MassillonK1D330
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Me being a coach also knows it's not about wins and losses
since when? have amassillon coach go 17 and 26 in 4 years see what happens
MassillonK1D330
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You completely missed my entire point come on bro. Y'all said that the coach went to a college you brought up his coaching record and I said is not about his wins or losses. You obviously have to have knowledge of the game which a lot of coaches have great knowledge of the game but is also how you react to the kids how you treat the kids are you a good role model it's more than just a record. When getting hired at the next level
fantastic50
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The Generals' new coach is Ray Leek, who spent one year as the head coach at nearby Dalton. He previously led programs at Mapleton and Cambridge. Leek is from NE Ohio and graduated from Mount Union in 2013.
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This is what Gerry Faust should have done instead of jumping into the Notre Dame frying pan and nearly bringing that program down
The Dock
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It’s this, but to also bounce off of fantastic50’s point on previous experience at Denison: a non-teaching job at a place such as CoW does require relevant experience.
Denison and CoW are in many regards mirror images. Academic rigor, profile of students they seek (inside and outside of football), where they draw from (inside and outside of football), and the same general challenges that liberal arts colleges have been facing in the enrollment game for ten-plus years now.
If you have a candidate who has that exposure and learned experience first-hand, then that is the hand-in-glove fit. One sticking point at both schools goes beyond wins-and-losses: a) what is the impact of incoming freshmen football classes (25-30 kids) on the overall incoming freshmen classes’ GPA/test scores (350-400 kids) but also more importantly b) what is the impact of those 25-30 kids on the first-year attrition rate on the class writ large.
That second part is where the experience factor does become crucial. These schools legitimately care about those things (perhaps to a fault) since it affects rankings and reputation, along with tuition stream. So it’s one thing if you get 10 kids yearly who might not otherwise get accepted if their scores/GPA are 50th percentile or below, and might not be adept to the rigor of being a student-athlete there… but if 8/10 or 9/10 of those kids are so thoroughly committed to making it work to the ends that they stay and graduate, that’s a big win for everyone. OTOH, if only 1/10 or 2/10 those kids stay after their first-year (can’t hack it, can’t show they’re trying, they’re homesick or have plates spinning in the air back home to attend to) then it becomes quicksand for the program once it happens a second-straight year.
Just to give an example: my alma (NCAC school) decided to gamble by green-lighting mass recruitment to the tune of 30-40 players a class, nationwide even (South Florida, California and everywhere outside the school’s typical breadbasket), in an attempt to compensate for declining enrollment. What became an issue was at that scale, with bad attrition rates in that practice, was it further compounded first-year attrition rates. (I will note that despite losses of kids from those areas after the first year, there also were success stories from SoFla and LA County that improved the trajectory of those kids’ lives. Which, hell yeah.) Boils down to practice, experience, and reading kids’ ability + will to graduate from your school in the end of the day. Matters way more than a high school W/L record.
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fantastic50
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A decade ago, Denison and (The College of) Wooster were quite similar, with Denison enrolling a bit wealthier students and Wooster a bit more academically rigorous. While the two schools still have significant philosophical similarities, their paths have diverged, particularly financially. Wooster isn't so different than it was in the 2010s, still moderately selective, academically solid, a focus on undergrad research & experiential learning, and a respectable athletic program (usually quite strong in men's basketball, average in football, and regionally competitive in many sports). It's still a very good, high-academic small college, but not immune from the financial storms hitting almost everyone in higher ed.
In no small part due to exceptional leadership by president Adam Weinberg and smart investments on growing fields of study, Denison is now a nationally prominent small college with an acceptance rate under 20%. With the market position to demand that wealthy families pay full tuition, and a roughly billion-dollar endowment (more than double Wooster's), Denison's student body today is comparable to Kenyon's. The Big Red athletic program, under retiring AD Nan Carney-DeBord, is at the top of the NCAC all-sports standings almost every year, and they're solid in football and men's basketball. In terms of stability and prestige, I might now rank them #1 among the small D3s in OH/MI/IN, ahead of Kenyon & Oberlin.
In no small part due to exceptional leadership by president Adam Weinberg and smart investments on growing fields of study, Denison is now a nationally prominent small college with an acceptance rate under 20%. With the market position to demand that wealthy families pay full tuition, and a roughly billion-dollar endowment (more than double Wooster's), Denison's student body today is comparable to Kenyon's. The Big Red athletic program, under retiring AD Nan Carney-DeBord, is at the top of the NCAC all-sports standings almost every year, and they're solid in football and men's basketball. In terms of stability and prestige, I might now rank them #1 among the small D3s in OH/MI/IN, ahead of Kenyon & Oberlin.
Smoove Mooves
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