The Northeast District Cross Country placements are up.

psycho_dad

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I will go way out on a limb and predict the state champions D2 boys will come from Lorain Community College District.

Nice job by the NE Board to equally distribute the private schools in D2.

Is Rootstown / D3 boys teams better off being bumped up to D2 in the NE?
 
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Spartan1969

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Rootstown graduated most of their team from last year. Im sure they wish they were still in D3. Going to be tough treading with new runners in a more populated division. Rootstown though has always done a good job of putting a quality team on the line at the end of the season.
 

psycho_dad

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I was thinking more in general. With East Canton, McDonald and Maplewood, is it an easier road in D2 for the boys?
 

Mr. Slippery

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I was thinking more in general. With East Canton, McDonald and Maplewood, is it an easier road in D2 for the boys?
You can always find individual examples to buck a trend, but I'd generally rather be in the smaller division where there isn't as much depth, especially if I'm going to be on the larger side of the enrollment pool.

It's far from a perfect indicator, but Rootstown's boys had an avg. time of 19:18 at last fall's regional which placed them 10th in the DIII competition. They also got to help tear up the course a little more for the DII boys where the last place team's average time was 19:12. Rootstown's #1 runner's regional time would've placed him 79th in the DII team scoring, so even if they came in 4 in-a-row right behind him, that's roughly 400 team pts. which puts them 3rd to last and 11 places away from the 6th and final team spot in DII. It's all moot for now though since, as Spartan pointed out, Rootstown graduated so much from last year (4 of their top 5 regional performers). However, they could always rebuild in a hurry. If what I was told by a relative who lives in Rootstown is accurate, students who are enrolled at the Bio-Med Academy (@ NEOMed) are eligible to play sports either at Rootstown or at the HS in their home district. Some choose to compete for Rootstown for ease of logistics since it's right across the street from NEOMed.
 

psycho_dad

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You are right. I should have done some comparisons. I shouldn't have singled out Rootstown. 3 or 4 years ago they were much better but last year they were not so strong. I saw other traditionally D3 teams that have moved up too. Is the D3-D2 line moving down a bit?
 

Mr. Slippery

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You are right. I should have done some comparisons. I shouldn't have singled out Rootstown. 3 or 4 years ago they were much better but last year they were not so strong. I saw other traditionally D3 teams that have moved up too. Is the D3-D2 line moving down a bit?
I have enrollment numbers going back to the headcounts from the fall of 2008 (which would be used to determine divisions for XC season 2009 and 2010). I can estimate what the divisional cut-offs looked like by comparing a few schools' headcounts to which division they were in. Let's see what we got:

2009-2010 cut-offs (compared 2008 headcount to 2009 district results)
Girls D1-D2: 354 to 356 (Big Walnut had 353 and was D2. Padua had 356 and was D1.)
Girls D2-D3: either 186 or 187 (Tuslaw had 186 and was D3. West Muskingum had 188 and was D2.)
Boys D1-D2: 357 to 359 (Wapakoneta had 356 and was D2. Lake Catholic had 359 and was D1.)
Boys D2-D3: either 186 or 187 (Purcell-Marian had 186 and was D3. LaBrae had 188 and was D2.)

2011-2012 cut-offs (compared 2010 headcount to 2011 district results)
Girls D1-D2: 331 (Ravenna had 330 and was D2. Cols. Desales had 331 and was D1.)
Girls D2-D3: 168 (Coldwater had 167 and was D3. Paulding had 168 and was D2.)
Boys D1-D2: either 338 or 339 (Tallmadge had 337 and was D2. Chillicothe had 339 and was D1.)
Boys D2-D3: 177 (Madeira had 176 and was D3. Norwayne had 177 and was D2.)

Can't do anything worth a darn for 2013-2014 because of the whole combined enrollment thingy

2015-2016 cut-offs (compared 2014 headcount to 2015 district results)

Girls D1-D2: 304 (Marietta has 304 and was D2. Dover had 305 and was D1.)
Girls D2-D3: 147 (Black River had 146 and was D3. Martins Ferry had 147 and was D2.)
Boys D1-D2: either 327 or 328 (Bowling Green had 326 and was D2. Chillicothe had 328 and was D1.)
Boys D2-D3: either 156 or 157 (Pymatuning Valley had 155 and was D3. Sandy Valley had 157 and was D2.)

2017-2018 cut-offs (compared 2016 headcount to 2017 district results)
Girls D1-D2: 325 or 326 (Mansfield Madison had 324 and was D2. Granville had 326 and was D1.)
Girls D2-D3: 163 (Union Local had 162 and was D3. Chippewa had 163 and was D2.)
Boys D1-D2: 311 to 314 (Lake Catholic had 310 and was D2. Geneva had 314 and was D1.)
Boys D2-D3: 161 (East Palestine had 160 and was D3. CHCA had 161 and was D2.)

Current cut-offs
Girls D1-D2: 308
Girls D2-D3: 157
Boys D1-D2: 308
Boys D2-D3: 159

D2-D3 is way down from a decade ago which is most likely due to families leaving Ohio around the time of the '08 Recession. Numbers seem to have stabilized in more recent times. The greater determining factor now might be how many schools can put teams together to nudge the cut-offs a few students in one direction or another.
 

CoventryTrackXCguy

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My thoughts on the Glen Oak District d2 Boys:

-SVSM will be down from the state runner up team they were last year. They lost their top 3 to graduation and there was a substantial gap between their 3 and 4-7. With that being said "down" is only relative when discussing a team like SVSM. They will still be formidable, and have to be considered the heavy favorite to win the district.

-Tuslaw on the other hand is facing a far tougher rebuild. They lost 4 of their top 5, and 5 of their top 7. I don't think they will be as capable of reloading, as SVSM usually is. Tuslaw could very well be out of contention for the top 4 in this district, but we shall see.

-Coventry and Springfield both return a lot, and are both very up and coming programs I think it should come down to those 2 for 2nd and 3rd spots. These schools, being ptc rivals, and whom will be facing each other quite a bit this season, should push each other a lot. Also, if either of these programs can really put together a strong season, either could put pressure on SVSM.

-Other teams to keep an eye on include Orrville, Fairless, Chippewa, Rootstown, Marlington, and West Branch.
 

psycho_dad

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Mr. Slippery, are there more smaller schools offering CC...Fielding full teams.

LCCC - Boys - Woodridge brings back the best team in the state. Bay should be a top state level team. Cloverleaf and Tallmadge bring back solid foundations and should be in the mix to qualify to the state meet. Fairview should be right there with Cloverleaf and Tallmadge. Clearly the top District.

GlenOak - Boys - $V$M then who knows. I agree Coventry and Springfield should be right there, but it's time for those two teams to step it up at the Regional level and at least be in the top 10.

Trumble - Boys - Salem is a team that should have top 10 in the state as a goal. Poland and Lakeview are right there where Springfield and Coventry are and should be looking at next level.

Madison - NDCL, Lake Catholic and Chagrin Falls seem to put solid teams on the line.

Woodridge is better this year than last year and they will bring back a tough team next year. who knows after that?
 

Mr. Slippery

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Mr. Slippery, are there more smaller schools offering CC...Fielding full teams.

LCCC - Boys - Woodridge brings back the best team in the state. Bay should be a top state level team. Cloverleaf and Tallmadge bring back solid foundations and should be in the mix to qualify to the state meet. Fairview should be right there with Cloverleaf and Tallmadge. Clearly the top District.

GlenOak - Boys - $V$M then who knows. I agree Coventry and Springfield should be right there, but it's time for those two teams to step it up at the Regional level and at least be in the top 10.

Trumble - Boys - Salem is a team that should have top 10 in the state as a goal. Poland and Lakeview are right there where Springfield and Coventry are and should be looking at next level.

Madison - NDCL, Lake Catholic and Chagrin Falls seem to put solid teams on the line.

Woodridge is better this year than last year and they will bring back a tough team next year. who knows after that?
I dug around through this forum trying to find previous years' cut-offs and how many teams existed when those cut-offs were made, but I came up empty. In NEO at least, the DIII schools clearly did a better job of getting more teams out last year since the girls will have 14 teams at the regional this year as compared to 11 last year, and the boys gained 1 team to go from 12 to 13. As a result, the girls gained an extra team spot plus 4 individual spots to state.
 
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