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Wonder what the Reginals will look like. Should be fun! Good luck to everyone this year!

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Wonder what the Reginals will look like. Should be fun! Good luck to everyone this year!

2019 Division 2 Boys and Girls Cross Country 2019 Division 2 Boys and Girls Cross Country Venue,Lorain Community College,Madison High School,Trumbull County Fairgrounds,Glenoak High School Location,1005 Abbe Rd N Elyria OH 44.35 ,3100 Burns Rd, Madison, OH 44057,899 Everett Hull Rd Cortland, ...

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I will go way out on a limb and predict the state champions D2 boys will come from Lorain Community College District.

Nice job by the NE Board to equally distribute the private schools in D2.

Is Rootstown / D3 boys teams better off being bumped up to D2 in the NE?

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You can always find individual examples to buck a trend, but I'd generally rather be in the smaller division where there isn't as much depth, especially if I'm going to be on the larger side of the enrollment pool.

It's far from a perfect indicator, but Rootstown's boys had an avg. time of 19:18 at last fall's regional which placed them 10th in the DIII competition. They also got to help tear up the course a little more for the DII boys where the last place team's average time was 19:12. Rootstown's #1 runner's regional time would've placed him 79th in the DII team scoring, so even if they came in 4 in-a-row right behind him, that's roughly 400 team pts. which puts them 3rd to last and 11 places away from the 6th and final team spot in DII. It's all moot for now though since, as Spartan pointed out, Rootstown graduated so much from last year (4 of their top 5 regional performers). However, they could always rebuild in a hurry. If what I was told by a relative who lives in Rootstown is accurate, students who are enrolled at the Bio-Med Academy (@ NEOMed) are eligible to play sports either at Rootstown or at the HS in their home district. Some choose to compete for Rootstown for ease of logistics since it's right across the street from NEOMed.

I have enrollment numbers going back to the headcounts from the fall of 2008 (which would be used to determine divisions for XC season 2009 and 2010). I can estimate what the divisional cut-offs looked like by comparing a few schools' headcounts to which division they were in. Let's see what we got:Is the D3-D2 line moving down a bit?

Girls D1-D2: 354 to 356 (Big Walnut had 353 and was D2. Padua had 356 and was D1.)

Girls D2-D3: either 186 or 187 (Tuslaw had 186 and was D3. West Muskingum had 188 and was D2.)

Boys D1-D2: 357 to 359 (Wapakoneta had 356 and was D2. Lake Catholic had 359 and was D1.)

Boys D2-D3: either 186 or 187 (Purcell-Marian had 186 and was D3. LaBrae had 188 and was D2.)

Girls D1-D2: 331 (Ravenna had 330 and was D2. Cols. Desales had 331 and was D1.)

Girls D2-D3: 168 (Coldwater had 167 and was D3. Paulding had 168 and was D2.)

Boys D1-D2: either 338 or 339 (Tallmadge had 337 and was D2. Chillicothe had 339 and was D1.)

Boys D2-D3: 177 (Madeira had 176 and was D3. Norwayne had 177 and was D2.)

2015-2016 cut-offs (compared 2014 headcount to 2015 district results)

Girls D1-D2: 304 (Marietta has 304 and was D2. Dover had 305 and was D1.)

Girls D2-D3: 147 (Black River had 146 and was D3. Martins Ferry had 147 and was D2.)

Boys D1-D2: either 327 or 328 (Bowling Green had 326 and was D2. Chillicothe had 328 and was D1.)

Boys D2-D3: either 156 or 157 (Pymatuning Valley had 155 and was D3. Sandy Valley had 157 and was D2.)

Girls D1-D2: 325 or 326 (Mansfield Madison had 324 and was D2. Granville had 326 and was D1.)

Girls D2-D3: 163 (Union Local had 162 and was D3. Chippewa had 163 and was D2.)

Boys D1-D2: 311 to 314 (Lake Catholic had 310 and was D2. Geneva had 314 and was D1.)

Boys D2-D3: 161 (East Palestine had 160 and was D3. CHCA had 161 and was D2.)

Girls D1-D2: 308

Girls D2-D3: 157

Boys D1-D2: 308

Boys D2-D3: 159

D2-D3 is way down from a decade ago which is most likely due to families leaving Ohio around the time of the '08 Recession. Numbers seem to have stabilized in more recent times. The greater determining factor now might be how many schools can put teams together to nudge the cut-offs a few students in one direction or another.

-SVSM will be down from the state runner up team they were last year. They lost their top 3 to graduation and there was a substantial gap between their 3 and 4-7. With that being said "down" is only relative when discussing a team like SVSM. They will still be formidable, and have to be considered the heavy favorite to win the district.

-Tuslaw on the other hand is facing a far tougher rebuild. They lost 4 of their top 5, and 5 of their top 7. I don't think they will be as capable of reloading, as SVSM usually is. Tuslaw could very well be out of contention for the top 4 in this district, but we shall see.

-Coventry and Springfield both return a lot, and are both very up and coming programs I think it should come down to those 2 for 2nd and 3rd spots. These schools, being ptc rivals, and whom will be facing each other quite a bit this season, should push each other a lot. Also, if either of these programs can really put together a strong season, either could put pressure on SVSM.

-Other teams to keep an eye on include Orrville, Fairless, Chippewa, Rootstown, Marlington, and West Branch.

LCCC - Boys - Woodridge brings back the best team in the state. Bay should be a top state level team. Cloverleaf and Tallmadge bring back solid foundations and should be in the mix to qualify to the state meet. Fairview should be right there with Cloverleaf and Tallmadge. Clearly the top District.

GlenOak - Boys - $V$M then who knows. I agree Coventry and Springfield should be right there, but it's time for those two teams to step it up at the Regional level and at least be in the top 10.

Trumble - Boys - Salem is a team that should have top 10 in the state as a goal. Poland and Lakeview are right there where Springfield and Coventry are and should be looking at next level.

Madison - NDCL, Lake Catholic and Chagrin Falls seem to put solid teams on the line.

Woodridge is better this year than last year and they will bring back a tough team next year. who knows after that?

I dug around through this forum trying to find previous years' cut-offs and how many teams existed when those cut-offs were made, but I came up empty. In NEO at least, the DIII schools clearly did a better job of getting more teams out last year since the girls will have 14 teams at the regional this year as compared to 11 last year, and the boys gained 1 team to go from 12 to 13. As a result, the girls gained an extra team spot plus 4 individual spots to state.Mr. Slippery, are there more smaller schools offering CC...Fielding full teams.

LCCC - Boys - Woodridge brings back the best team in the state. Bay should be a top state level team. Cloverleaf and Tallmadge bring back solid foundations and should be in the mix to qualify to the state meet. Fairview should be right there with Cloverleaf and Tallmadge. Clearly the top District.

GlenOak - Boys - $V$M then who knows. I agree Coventry and Springfield should be right there, but it's time for those two teams to step it up at the Regional level and at least be in the top 10.

Trumble - Boys - Salem is a team that should have top 10 in the state as a goal. Poland and Lakeview are right there where Springfield and Coventry are and should be looking at next level.

Madison - NDCL, Lake Catholic and Chagrin Falls seem to put solid teams on the line.

Woodridge is better this year than last year and they will bring back a tough team next year. who knows after that?

Heck, some may even give Madeira a first place vote

Bay boys definitely practiced pack running last night, they have much more potential than they showed.

Heck, some may even give Madeira a first place vote

Gap

2. Bay

3. Heath

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4 Edison

5. Johnathan Alder

6. Minerva

7. Madeira

8. Carroll

9. Eaton

to the D2 State Meet.

I doubt that fate would happen to Woodridge.

Maderia clobbered Carroll at the Pre State and should be ranked ahead of them at this time

Heath and Edison would be my 3-4 at this time.

I'm mostly guessing until we see then run.

Did I? Where? I think I can read what I typed.

It's what you didn't type that speaks loud and clear.

We will see after this weekend.

We will see after this weekend.

Bay looks good.

I still go Woodridge, then Bay then Defiance

I still go Woodridge, then Bay then Defiance

Glenoak had 14 returning full teams including 1 state qualifier (SVSM).

LCCC had 13 returning full teams including 2 state qualifiers (Beaumont & Woodridge).

Madison had 13 returning full teams including 2 state qualifiers (Chagrin Falls & Edgewood).

Trumbull had 11 returning full teams including 1 state qualifier (Hawken).

Trumbull got Crestwood from Madison ... because Trumbull had the fewest teams to start?

LCCC got Laurel from Madison ... not sure why?

LCCC also got Cleveland Central Catholic from Madison ... not a full team last year so no major impact.

LCCC got Lutheran West (D3 Regional Qualifier)

Madison got Geneva (full team from Madison D1)

Madison got Shaw (incomplete team from Madison D1)

Madison got Harvey (can't find any district results last year)

Trumbull got Cardinal Mooney (from Trumbull D3)

Trumbull got Youngstown East (can't find any district results last year)

Glenoak got Trinity (full team from Medina D3)

Glenoak got St Martin de Porres (can't find any district results from last year)

Trumbull added Crestwood, Mooney and 1 likely incomplete team (Ytown East)

Madison added Geneva and 2 likely incomplete teams (Harvey, Shaw)

Glenoak added Trinity and 1 likely incomplete team (St Martin)

LCCC added Lutheran West, Laurel, and likely 1 incomplete team (CCC)

I realize there are many moving parts, including travel time, where is the boys team, LCCC doesn't have D3, Madison doesn't have D3, Medina doesn't have D2, and probably more that I don't even know.

But when the district page shows an imbalance of teams, I have to wonder how it came to be.

LCCC 17 schools (16 teams, 1 incomplete)

Glenoak 17 schools (16 teams, 1 incomplete)

Madison 15 schools (14 teams, 1 incomplete)

Trumbull 15 schools (12 teams, 3 incomplete)

https://ohsaa.org/Northeast-Sports-Tournaments/Cross-Country

I have not idea why the teams get assigned where they are, but geography is not the only factor. I was under the impression that they might seed teams, but that did not happen.

Found this in the Board Minutes from the most recent OHSAA meeting:

*B. Approval of 2019 Regional and State Cross Country Sites** The Board was provided with the proposed regional and state cross country tournament sites for 2019 as prepared by Dale Gabor, the OHSAA’s cross country administrator. Regionals will be held on Saturday, October 26. Division III girls will be held at 11:00, Division II girls at 11:45, Division I girls at 12:30, Division III boys at 1:30, Division II boys at 2:15 and Division I boys at 3:00. The sites are Youngstown Boardman, Tiffin Hedges Boyer Park, Pickerington High School North and Troy. The state cross country tournaments will be held for the seventh consecutive year at National Trail Raceway in Hebron on November 2. *

This isn't earth-shattering stuff for 3/4 of the state, but there was some uncertainty regarding the site of the NE Regional Meet due to personnel changes involving people linked to the Boardman Invite and Regional Meet.

This isn't earth-shattering stuff for 3/4 of the state, but there was some uncertainty regarding the site of the NE Regional Meet due to personnel changes involving people linked to the Boardman Invite and Regional Meet.

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You are right. I looked at how the boys were listed first and the girls below them and when I was panned all the way to right, I assumed boys were listed on top as far as qualifiers and the girls below. However, it still sucks that a District with 12 teams and one with 14 will get the same number of qualifiers as the two with 16 or more.

At LCCC; Beaumont, Tallmadge and Woodridge should take 3 of the 5 spots. Who is going to grab the next 2?

Glenoak is $V$M and that's about it. ? Springfield , Marlington

Trumbull; Poland Seminary , Salem, Lakeview...?

Madison; Edgewood, ... Chagrin Falls ?

LCCC: Woodridge, Bay (possibly best two in state D2) Cloverleaf, Fairview...Tallmadge?

Glenoak; $V$M............Tuslaw, Akron Springfield

Trumbull; Poland, Salem.. toss up after that.

Madison; NDCL, Field, Edgewood

I agree on your 3 teams. Bay girls are D1 this year so it won't be them. Cloverleaf has qualified from LCCC every year since being added to this district in 2015. I expect they will advance again. Hathaway Brown looks to be the other team to advance.In the CC polls, I'm not sure why Woodridge girls are ranked below Poland Seminary. Tallmadge should be above them too. Tallmadge should be about 10th or 11th, then Woodridge right behind them, then Poland Seminary. Woodridge has beaten Poland twice head to head and Tallmadge has beaten them both. Minerva should be below all of them.

At LCCC; Beaumont, Tallmadge and Woodridge should take 3 of the 5 spots. Who is going to grab the next 2?