Schools Not Happy With OHSAA After State Track Meet

lane4

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At least OHSAA now gives passes to two alternates per relay qualified(assuming at least six runners were listed on the Regional relay card). It wasnt that long ago you got four per relay and that's it.

That said I agree with the overall point. I've never coached a football or basketball team but my guess is all assistants and reserve players get into tournament games without paying(not to mention cheerleaders).
 

psycho_dad

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Absolutely BS on half the comments. Most tickets we have ever gotten. We got every coach and ever alternate into the meet. Now, we only have 5 coaches, but they asked about alternates at packet pick up and they were generous . OHSAA ran a great meet. Only issue I had is we had a seated athlete and had a special pass for a certain lot, but the lot was completely full so our pass was worthless.
OHSAA did a great job for the kids. Allow fans to take a lot in. Had free water for everyone.

We aren't football or basketball, so get over it and pay a few bucks to get in.
 

mathking

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Did I miss having to pay for parking? One of the comments said $10 but I didnt have to pay. The improvement of having 6 tickets per qualifying relay was very nice. (That started last year.) For the record, there are limits on athletes and coaches in some other sports. Albeit not as limited as TF is/was. Honestly I thought things went fairly well.
 

JAVMAN83

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I heard that $10 was charged on the first day. I heard parking lot on the north side of Ackerman was free on Saturday, as was the one at French Field House.
 

Mr. Slippery

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Did I miss having to pay for parking? One of the comments said $10 but I didnt have to pay. The improvement of having 6 tickets per qualifying relay was very nice. (That started last year.) For the record, there are limits on athletes and coaches in some other sports. Albeit not as limited as TF is/was. Honestly I thought things went fairly well.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but another nice development went into effect a few years ago when the OHSAA made it known that state qualifiers could get free tickets for Sat. even if they were done competing on Fri.

I'll wager that if $10 was being collected for parking, then the OHSAA saw none of that money, so I don't understand the complaints being directed at the OHSAA for that.
 

psycho_dad

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Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but another nice development went into effect a few years ago when the OHSAA made it known that state qualifiers could get free tickets for Sat. even if they were done competing on Fri.

I'll wager that if $10 was being collected for parking, then the OHSAA saw none of that money, so I don't understand the complaints being directed at the OHSAA for that.
Yes, they did that. All of our kids got in both days.
The meet itself was all about the kids. Anyone complaining has never put on a meet.

I think everything was kinder and gentler than years past.
 

hammer89

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At least OHSAA now gives passes to two alternates per relay qualified(assuming at least six runners were listed on the Regional relay card). It wasnt that long ago you got four per relay and that's it.

That said I agree with the overall point. I've never coached a football or basketball team but my guess is all assistants and reserve players get into tournament games without paying(not to mention cheerleaders).
There are limits on the number of coaches, players, and cheerleaders allowed into games for free in football and basketball.
 

Ericles

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I think part of the issue is that so many schools have so many "coaches." If you carry a water bottle, then you are a "coach." I'm being facetious, but I'd like to think that there's a small amount of truth to that. Not every school has that luxury.
 

ENA2

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What the OHSAA does for the kids/coaches is remarkable. this was the best year I've seen.... but I have only been coming to the State meets since 1980. Ericles types the truth.
I Usually buy a ticket even thogh I'm the head coach and have kids qualify.... give my ticket to either an assistant or an alternate. Now, with 2 extras for alternates, I better get some relays down there in the future. Parking and attituded of attendants is not on the OHSAA.... they are an easy target
 

galesxc

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I absolutely agree with psycho-dad, the redcoats, other support staff... law enforcement folks... all were much more agreeable and and helpful than past years. Made a long, hot day much more manageable.
 

galesxc

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That said, I don't understand why Division 1 consistently gets the latest(hottest) part of the day... the most chopped up course in the fall. I don't think D1 deserves better treatment that D2 or 3, but I Also don't think we deserve the worst conditions every season.
 

TCSoup

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That said, I don't understand why Division 1 consistently gets the latest(hottest) part of the day... the most chopped up course in the fall. I don't think D1 deserves better treatment that D2 or 3, but I Also don't think we deserve the worst conditions every season.
i might be wrong but in the past at one time didn't they rotated the Division start times.
 

JAVMAN83

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That said, I don't understand why Division 1 consistently gets the latest(hottest) part of the day... the most chopped up course in the fall. I don't think D1 deserves better treatment that D2 or 3, but I Also don't think we deserve the worst conditions every season.
Agreed. The old rotating 3-year rotating system of schedules tried to alleviate that.
 

psycho_dad

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That said, I don't understand why Division 1 consistently gets the latest(hottest) part of the day... the most chopped up course in the fall. I don't think D1 deserves better treatment that D2 or 3, but I Also don't think we deserve the worst conditions every season.
Disagree. Hottest part of day is D2
 

galesxc

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Sure, on some days, 12-3 might be the hottest shift, but rarely... temps generally peak between 4pm and 6pm.

Or once every few years, the skies could open up and cool the late afternoon shift (like yesterday).

But the ninth race on a wet course clearly runs much differently than the first (we tend to be good "mudders" and actually look forward a sloppy course).

But these details are not really the point, rotating the shifts simply improves the odds of equal treatment of the divisions over time.
 
It was a wonderfully run meet. I thought every official, event worker, etc. that I encountered was kind, helpful, and patient. Despite challenging and unpredictable weather for the DI meet, everything ran smoothly once the skies cleared. I even thought they were much more efficient getting kids on and off the podium than they've been in recent years.

Thanks to the OHSAA and everyone else who works hard to put on a great meet.
 

mathking

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Sure, on some days, 12-3 might be the hottest shift, but rarely... temps generally peak between 4pm and 6pm.

Or once every few years, the skies could open up and cool the late afternoon shift (like yesterday).

But the ninth race on a wet course clearly runs much differently than the first (we tend to be good "mudders" and actually look forward a sloppy course).

But these details are not really the point, rotating the shifts simply improves the odds of equal treatment of the divisions over time.
Galesxc is right on there. Later in the day is much more likely to be the warmest part of the day for the state meet. That is almost always true of cities and all the more so for a stadium, which is a giant heat sink reradiating accumulated heat. In any event, rotating the divisions is more fair.
 

badger1

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Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but another nice development went into effect a few years ago when the OHSAA made it known that state qualifiers could get free tickets for Sat. even if they were done competing on Fri.

I'll wager that if $10 was being collected for parking, then the OHSAA saw none of that money, so I don't understand the complaints being directed at the OHSAA for that.
In my 47 years of attending as an athlete, then spectator, then as a coach, all state qualifiers have received admission into the meet on both days, regardless of whether they moved on to the finals or not. Over the years in talking to coaches, many assumed that this was not the case, but it's always been a thing since at least 1977.
 

badger1

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That said, I don't understand why Division 1 consistently gets the latest(hottest) part of the day... the most chopped up course in the fall. I don't think D1 deserves better treatment that D2 or 3, but I Also don't think we deserve the worst conditions every season
As someone who has coached teams in each of the three time slots and must make the state meet an overnight trip from the far northeast, I can say that without a doubt the logistics of being in the third session are no fun at all. At least when it was rotated, you only had to come up with ways to keep kids occupied all day until the third session every three years. As it is, D-III and D-II can stick to a fairly normal schedule of eating, arriving, warming up, etc., similar to many/most regular season invitationals. D-I, not so much. It might not be a big deal for those teams living close enough to sleep in their own beds, but for those of us that have to make it a weekend it's a challenge.
 

mathking

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As someone who has coached teams in each of the three time slots and must make the state meet an overnight trip from the far northeast, I can say that without a doubt the logistics of being in the third session are no fun at all. At least when it was rotated, you only had to come up with ways to keep kids occupied all day until the third session every three years. As it is, D-III and D-II can stick to a fairly normal schedule of eating, arriving, warming up, etc., similar to many/most regular season invitationals. D-I, not so much. It might not be a big deal for those teams living close enough to sleep in their own beds, but for those of us that have to make it a weekend it's a challenge.
badger1, you make a good point about the third session logistics. Something I hadn't really thought about before. I was at the state meet a couple times in the early 90s when I was coaching in central Ohio at the meet was at Ohio Stadium. Then after a few years of MS coaching, I was back when it was at Welcome and I was coaching in Cincinnati. Then I was back in central Ohio and going to Ohio State (or Darby, which is ten minutes from our school). So I haven't thought about what to do with kids during the day before. Another good reason to rotate time slots.
 

Mr. Slippery

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badger1, you make a good point about the third session logistics. Something I hadn't really thought about before. I was at the state meet a couple times in the early 90s when I was coaching in central Ohio at the meet was at Ohio Stadium. Then after a few years of MS coaching, I was back when it was at Welcome and I was coaching in Cincinnati. Then I was back in central Ohio and going to Ohio State (or Darby, which is ten minutes from our school). So I haven't thought about what to do with kids during the day before. Another good reason to rotate time slots.
To add to it, you have to check out of most hotels by noon (1pm at the latest), so there's automatically a few hours of down time that need filled for those who stayed overnight but aren't competing until the 3rd session.

I've been on the bandwagon of wanting to see the divisions rotated for awhile.
 

serpico

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Football has D1 play the marquee game on Saturday night. Do you think D1 track gets better attendance in the later slot?
 

Mr. Slippery

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Football has D1 play the marquee game on Saturday night. Do you think D1 track gets better attendance in the later slot?
The D1 football title game has not been in that last time slot on Saturday for a few years, primarily due to anticipation of Ohio State being in the BIG championship game and also due to the fact that the OHSAA seems to have caught on to the notion that a considerable portion of the casual fans aren't going to stay for that last football game, no matter which division it is.

It's hard to say which division draws the best by itself, but the stadium is most crowded during the bulk of the D2 session due to overlap from the other sessions. Some good seats are available by the start of the 3rd session on both days.
 

serpico

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The D1 football title game has not been in that last time slot on Saturday for a few years, primarily due to anticipation of Ohio State being in the BIG championship game and also due to the fact that the OHSAA seems to have caught on to the notion that a considerable portion of the casual fans aren't going to stay for that last football game, no matter which division it is.

It's hard to say which division draws the best by itself, but the stadium is most crowded during the bulk of the D2 session due to overlap from the other sessions. Some good seats are available by the start of the 3rd session on both days.
You’re right, I had completely forgotten that!
 

Newton's Third

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I thought that was made pretty clear a couple years ago when D3 had the largest attendance of the three meets.
And I have heard from meet management that D1 was just behind D3 in attendance with D2 quite a way behind the two. For the logistics of the meet and parking-traffic OHSAA want to keep D1 and 3 from overlapping.
 

Stirred not Shaken

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As someone who has coached teams in each of the three time slots and must make the state meet an overnight trip from the far northeast, I can say that without a doubt the logistics of being in the third session are no fun at all. At least when it was rotated, you only had to come up with ways to keep kids occupied all day until the third session every three years. As it is, D-III and D-II can stick to a fairly normal schedule of eating, arriving, warming up, etc., similar to many/most regular season invitationals. D-I, not so much. It might not be a big deal for those teams living close enough to sleep in their own beds, but for those of us that have to make it a weekend it's a challenge.
Like others have noted football has the same issues, if you play the early Sat. morning game in football and live in WCO you have to leave at 5 30 or 6 am.
 

yj_runfan

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i might be wrong but in the past at one time didn't they rotated the Division start times.
The rotation system was never fair to D2. They never got to run in the cool mornings. It was 1-2-3 one year then 3-2-1 the next. D2 always ran in the middle of the day.
 

mathking

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We should just rotate through a cycle of session 1, then 2, then 3. It is the most fair way to do it.
 
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