Pitch Clock

cjb5656

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One of the charms of going to/watching/listening to a baseball game is the relaxed pace. There is no clock. However, watching these pitcher rituals on the mound, and the obscene amount of time they take to throw a pitch...as well as the batters stepping out of the box and fiddling with their batting gloves and helmets every pitch...I actually welcome the pitch clock in MLB.
 

YTOWN

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So do I.

I wonder if Mr. Karinchak is capable of pitching without all the histrionics he goes through before every pitch. Last night may have been the quickest I have ever seen him pitch but I doubt that any of his pitches were thrown within 15 seconds of getting the ball back from the catcher. Has he ever thrown a pitch in less than 15 seconds?
 

cjb5656

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So do I.

I wonder if Mr. Karinchak is capable of pitching without all the histrionics he goes through before every pitch. Last night may have been the quickest I have ever seen him pitch but I doubt that any of his pitches were thrown within 15 seconds of getting the ball back from the catcher. Has he ever thrown a pitch in less than 15 seconds?
No. And he is a huge offender.
 

EagleGuy

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So do I.

I wonder if Mr. Karinchak is capable of pitching without all the histrionics he goes through before every pitch. Last night may have been the quickest I have ever seen him pitch but I doubt that any of his pitches were thrown within 15 seconds of getting the ball back from the catcher. Has he ever thrown a pitch in less than 15 seconds?
Brings to mind Mark "The Bird" Fidrych. Enough with the antics. C'mon clock!

 

AEW Champion

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What do the new rules do to require the batter to stay in the box? Anything?
Don’t quote me on it, but I think I had read that a batter will only be able to take one foot out of the box and must be back in the box within several seconds.

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YTOWN

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What happens if he doesn’t follow that requirement?

As I understand it they will be charged with a strike against them. I would assume this would hold true for strike 3 also but I don't know that with certainty.
 

CatAlum

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The penalty against the pitcher is easy…you call a ball, I assume.

The batter…and I want that guy to stay in the batter’s box…but if he violates…going from strike 1 to strike 2 (or 2 to strikeout)…seems far more punitive.

But, I think these 3 and 1/2 hour games are killing baseball. I realize a big chunk of time is the lengthening of advertising time between half innings…and maybe 2:30 is the best we can hope for as compared to 1:55 back in 1970…but they have to shorten the games.
 

AEW Champion

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The penalty against the pitcher is easy…you call a ball, I assume.

The batter…and I want that guy to stay in the batter’s box…but if he violates…going from strike 1 to strike 2 (or 2 to strikeout)…seems far more punitive.

But, I think these 3 and 1/2 hour games are killing baseball. I realize a big chunk of time is the lengthening of advertising time between half innings…and maybe 2:30 is the best we can hope for as compared to 1:55 back in 1970…but they have to shorten the games.
The length of time between innings is 2 minutes, 5 seconds. It starts immediately when the last out of an inning is recorded. So the commercials are actually a bit less than two minutes long between innings. The time between innings is not at all why the games keep taking longer.

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CatAlum

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An SI article from 2013 in which the author focuses on “dawdling” by pitchers and hitters as a major culprit (though not the only)…

 

Gardens35

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Again, IMO the pace of a MLB is just fine...............................UNTIL the "relief specialists" take over. That's the start of the drag. Now we're even seeing those types entering the game in the 6th inning, heck 10 years from now it might be the 5th inning....who knows. I like that baseball has changed the Intentional Walk to cut time, the extra inning ghost runner, and now the Pitch Clock. It's going to be interesting when the Umps call Ball 4 or Strike 3 on a Pitch Clock violation, and imagine a play off walk off Win on a Pitch Clock violation. 🤣


I'm also glad to see the infield shift being banned. I think it kills a lot of the excitement that's built into the game. BUT, in a Big Catch 22 banning the shift will probably add more time to the game. More hits, more base runners, more pitches......
 

CatAlum

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Again, IMO the pace of a MLB is just fine...............................UNTIL the "relief specialists" take over. That's the start of the drag. Now we're even seeing those types entering the game in the 6th inning, heck 10 years from now it might be the 5th inning....who knows. I like that baseball has changed the Intentional Walk to cut time, the extra inning ghost runner, and now the Pitch Clock. It's going to be interesting when the Umps call Ball 4 or Strike 3 on a Pitch Clock violation, and imagine a play off walk off Win on a Pitch Clock violation. 🤣


I'm also glad to see the infield shift being banned. I think it kills a lot of the excitement that's built into the game. BUT, in a Big Catch 22 banning the shift will probably add more time to the game. More hits, more base runners, more pitches......
I don’t disagree with this. However, if you’ve been watching baseball for 50-60 years, the things that hitters do in and outside of the batter’s box since Mike Hargrove…it’s changed. It eats up 15 minutes per game and, importantly, it FEELS much longer. Perception in this regard matters. Similarly, 1:50 minute games, common in the late 60’s, early 70’s, weren‘t possible without pitchers getting right to it.
 

cjb5656

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I don’t disagree with this. However, if you’ve been watching baseball for 50-60 years, the things that hitters do in and outside of the batter’s box since Mike Hargrove…it’s changed. It eats up 15 minutes per game and, importantly, it FEELS much longer. Perception in this regard matters. Similarly, 1:50 minute games, common in the late 60’s, early 70’s, weren‘t possible without pitchers getting right to it.
There was no DH back then and many starters went complete games…even extra inning games…so not many pitching changes, but still…these rituals of the batters and pitchers these days are way out of hand and must be dealt with.
 

14Red

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One of the charms of going to/watching/listening to a baseball game is the relaxed pace. There is no clock. However, watching these pitcher rituals on the mound, and the obscene amount of time they take to throw a pitch...as well as the batters stepping out of the box and fiddling with their batting gloves and helmets every pitch...I actually welcome the pitch clock in MLB.
Baseball has rules in place to keep the pace going. Umpires simply do not enforce them. I think pitch clock is going to be a huge joke at the major league level. I'd love to see Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander get called on the clock violation.
 

AEW Champion

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Baseball has rules in place to keep the pace going. Umpires simply do not enforce them. I think pitch clock is going to be a huge joke at the major league level. I'd love to see Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander get called on the clock violation.
It won’t be a joke at all. Perhaps more pitchers will learn that pitching fast like Shane Bieber and Johnny Cueto is an effective way of getting outs and getting through a ballgame.

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Yappi

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Just curious, are there any pitchers who "quick pitch" during a game?

I've watched alot of baseball at the younger ages and you see a variety of styles. Not sure I've ever seen quick pitching in MLB. IMO, the pitcher should have to address the catcher on the rubber for at least two seconds before starting the delivery. Not sure why the batter must be given the opportunity to look to the third base coach for signs. Make it more like football and the hurry-up offense. Let the pitcher go into "hurry-up defense" to throw the hitters off.

For those that go to youth baseball/softball tournaments, you will see alot of quick pitching when the defense needs to finish the inning due to a time limit game nearing the end.

IMO, MLB should allow this:
 

YTOWN

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Just curious, are there any pitchers who "quick pitch" during a game?

I've watched alot of baseball at the younger ages and you see a variety of styles. Not sure I've ever seen quick pitching in MLB. IMO, the pitcher should have to address the catcher on the rubber for at least two seconds before starting the delivery. Not sure why the batter must be given the opportunity to look to the third base coach for signs. Make it more like football and the hurry-up offense. Let the pitcher go into "hurry-up defense" to throw the hitters off.

For those that go to youth baseball/softball tournaments, you will see alot of quick pitching when the defense needs to finish the inning due to a time limit game nearing the end.

IMO, MLB should allow this:
I seem to remember seeing Jim Kaat do it at the MLB level.
 

AEW Champion

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Just curious, are there any pitchers who "quick pitch" during a game?

I've watched alot of baseball at the younger ages and you see a variety of styles. Not sure I've ever seen quick pitching in MLB. IMO, the pitcher should have to address the catcher on the rubber for at least two seconds before starting the delivery. Not sure why the batter must be given the opportunity to look to the third base coach for signs. Make it more like football and the hurry-up offense. Let the pitcher go into "hurry-up defense" to throw the hitters off.

For those that go to youth baseball/softball tournaments, you will see alot of quick pitching when the defense needs to finish the inning due to a time limit game nearing the end.

IMO, MLB should allow this:
No one really quick pitches these days. You might see an isolated example of it for one pitch, but very, very rarely.

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14Red

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It won’t be a joke at all. Perhaps more pitchers will learn that pitching fast like Shane Bieber and Johnny Cueto is an effective way of getting outs and getting through a ballgame.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
I think having a pitch clock in the minors has sped those guys up in general. They've adapted to it. But I will guarantee you once the parade of relief pitchers start coming in the 6th inning, and if there are runners on base, it will slow. Relief pitchers are the worst at pace of play. I'm just wondering how the umpires will enforce this and how the players will take it. Trying to force a time element in baseball isn't going to go well.

And if we are so concerned about time of game, lets ax a minute of commercials every half inning, that would speed the game along immensely.
 

14Red

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Just curious, are there any pitchers who "quick pitch" during a game?

I've watched alot of baseball at the younger ages and you see a variety of styles. Not sure I've ever seen quick pitching in MLB. IMO, the pitcher should have to address the catcher on the rubber for at least two seconds before starting the delivery. Not sure why the batter must be given the opportunity to look to the third base coach for signs. Make it more like football and the hurry-up offense. Let the pitcher go into "hurry-up defense" to throw the hitters off.

For those that go to youth baseball/softball tournaments, you will see alot of quick pitching when the defense needs to finish the inning due to a time limit game nearing the end.

IMO, MLB should allow this:
There is no time limit in professional games. Sometimes you'll see pitchers today quick pitch where they speed up their delivery. Cueto does this as well as anyone, he'll also hesitate. Let's face it, deception is the other way to get guys out, and if you can disrupt the timing of the batter, so be it.
 

AEW Champion

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I think having a pitch clock in the minors has sped those guys up in general. They've adapted to it. But I will guarantee you once the parade of relief pitchers start coming in the 6th inning, and if there are runners on base, it will slow. Relief pitchers are the worst at pace of play. I'm just wondering how the umpires will enforce this and how the players will take it. Trying to force a time element in baseball isn't going to go well.

And if we are so concerned about time of game, lets ax a minute of commercials every half inning, that would speed the game along immensely.
Commercials are only two minutes long. The game wouldn’t even be ready to continue after one minute of commercials since the pitcher would still be throwing warm-ups and dawdling fielders would just be getting to their spots and throwing.

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14Red

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Commercials are only two minutes long. The game wouldn’t even be ready to continue after one minute of commercials since the pitcher would still be throwing warm-ups and dawdling fielders would just be getting to their spots and throwing.

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Why are minor league/ college/ high school games so much faster than major league games? Because they players get on the field and warm up in a minute. Unless the pitcher bats and is on base (the game moves at a nice pace). And I'll challenge you on the 2 minutes, it has to be longer than that. But you know why that's never considered??? $$$'s. If they could have 4 minute commercials they would.

The funny part next year is you'll have the pitch clock there to keep the game going, and the bigger bases, and no shift will create more offense make the games longer. So guess what, you won't see much of a difference.
 
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