I graduated 50 years ago and the top three grades totaled 542. Today it's 521.
Like everybody else I'm sure it has gone up and down over the last half century, but the Catholic schools are very much smaller or gone.
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Like everybody else I'm sure it has gone up and down over the last half century, but the Catholic schools are very much smaller or gone.
ayCC!
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Anyone catch the Bowsher/Waite game at the Glass Bowl last night? I was driving past and saw that Waite was down 21-8, but looking the Blade today it seems they came back and won 30-22. Wonder if BCSN covered it?
That’s pretty cool that they had that game there, wonder if it will it be a reoccurring type of deal or a rotating thing with each team/matchup.
That’s pretty cool that they had that game there, wonder if it will it be a reoccurring type of deal or a rotating thing with each team/matchup.
AXE
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Bowshers field has a sinkhole, so I think all of Bowshers remaining home games will be played there.
eastisbest
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Both schools brought good crowds. Probably more than if the game had been held at either school. Nice of UT to do this. Campus looks spectacular. A good experience for the kids, parents and teachers. No doubt the first time seeing a college campus for many of the BGSU grads.
Only saw one arrest, lol. It was outside the gates I saw someone being walked away and it wasn't a kid but too young to be a parent. Maybe not game connected?
ayCC!
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The stadium is right next to the Greek village. Maybe some rush-week shenanigans?Only saw one arrest, lol. It was outside the gates I saw someone being walked away and it wasn't a kid but too young to be a parent. Maybe not game connected?
Matt_Perry
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Yes. It is on the BCSNow app or on their website.
eastisbest
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I understand that sometimes commercials will play through the action. At least for some game broadcasts. Seems like something they could fix on replay. The kids deserve a little consideration.
NOL fan
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So they went on a 22-1 run to end the game...
(that's actually possible in the NFL and NCAA, but not high school)
eastisbest
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just a typo. 30-21. Bowsher did not score in the second half.
What does happen in HS if the defense gets a turn-over on the extra point then gets tackled in the end-zone? Two pts?
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Dead ball, I believe.
Turnovers on PATs or in OT are automatically dead balls.
ayCC!
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All of the Toledo parochials will compete in the Central Division in the CHSL for all sports. It will be an understatement that this will be an absolute athletic meatgrinder of a league for all of these schools. I already know that SFS did not want to be in this division for football (its in the Blade article). Luckily they do revaluate and relegate which schools compete where in each sport, so I hope it balances out in the next 2-3 years.
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SFS and SJJ will more than likely have new HC's as they start their first year in CHSL.
This is from today's Blade...I have a subscription:
Central Catholic, St. Francis de Sales, and St. John's Jesuit – currently members of Ohio's Three River Athletic Conference – will blend with four historically powerhouse programs that have combined to win 31 Michigan state championships and had 20 other state runner-up finishes since a playoff format was adopted in 1975: defending Michigan Division 2 state champion Warren De La Salle, Novi Detroit Catholic Central, Birmingham Brother Rice, and Orchard Lake St. Mary's.
“That is exactly what I expected it to be when we agreed to join,” Central Catholic head football coach and athletic director Greg Dempsey said. “This is as much of a meat-grinder league that anybody can go through in football.
“When you look at what those four teams from Michigan bring to the table, and what our three teams from down here will add, there are no easy weeks in that Central Division starting next year.”
The decision was made by the CHSL membership, and after there were no final appeals from any of the seven schools, the alignment was set for 2023.
The league is in the process of creating a 2023 division schedule, and the seven teams will need to fill their non-division dates.
The plan from the get-go was to put the Toledo schools in the Central Division for all sports, including Notre Dame and St. Ursula, according to CHSL director Vic Michaels.
“When we had our initial talks with the Toledo schools, we felt at that time that what was best for all of them, in all sports, was to go into our Central Division for all sports, boys and girls. … That's going to be a pretty good football league for sure, and a very good basketball and volleyball league.”
The opposition presents a challenging future for Toledo's three teams, which were left without a league when TRAC members Clay, Findlay, Fremont Ross, and Whitmer all announced exits from that conference to join an expanded Northern Lakes League beginning with the 2023-24 school year.
“The Central Division will be a highly competitive division that we look forward to competing in,” St. John's football coach Larry McDaniel said. “I think it will be interesting to see how we are able to combine the schools in two different states.”
The fit was not viewed as optimum for all three Toledo schools.
“We would have preferred, and felt we currently fit much better in the AA Division,” St. Francis athletic director Justin Edgell said.
For football, in this 2022 season, the CHSL also has a three-team AA Division, a five-team Intersectional-1 Division, and a six-team Intersectional-2 Division.
Michaels added the CHSL protocol over the years is to evaluate the programs for all boys and girls sports after each school year and determine whether given teams would be better suited in a higher or lower division within the CHSL.
“We'll see if there are schools – whether they're ours or the Toledo schools – that just don't belong in those divisions anymore,” Michaels said. “Each year we evaluate each [sports] season. We look at the results, and what they're doing at the sub-varsity level. We don't want somebody playing in a division where they're not capable of competing. Not necessarily just wins and losses, but whether they can compete or not.
“It may appear to be difficult for some schools, but we'll see after one year what it looks like, and if we have to adjust from there then we certainly will.”
At the outset, based on recent history, Central Catholic seems to be the best suited Toledo team to compete for a CHSL Central Division title.
Central Catholic had already scheduled its Week 1 and Week 2 nonleague games for 2023, opening at future NLL member Findlay. The second week the Irish have contracted to play Whitmer, with the home team yet to be determined based on who and where the Panthers play in Week 1.
Dempsey the decision on an alignment was something of a relief after a lengthy wait.
“Once you get definitive answers it always helps,” he added. “It's good to know where we're going to be, and now you can start scheduling.”
St. John's will open 2023 by hosting Dublin Coffman in Week 1 and playing at Anthony Wayne in Week 2.
With the seven-team alignment – and Ohio opening its 10-week regular season a week ahead of Michigan's nine-week regular season – the Central Division games will be played between Ohio's Weeks 3-9 (2-8 for Michigan), with each team having a bye week in this span where it must find a non-Central Division opponent.
For the final week's games (Ohio's Week 10 and Michigan's Week 9), the CHSL will find opponents for each team with the caveat being that the first-place team automatically earns a spot at Detroit’s Ford Field in the league's Prep Bowl, which in 2023 will be played on Oct. 21 at 4:30 p.m.
Michaels said that in recent years the top teams from the Central and AA divisions have played in the Prep Bowl, but this season the CHSL may decide to have the top two Central Division teams compete for a second time in that special championship game. That is to be determined at the CHSL's upcoming Nov. 8 board meeting.
First Published October 4, 2022, 9:46am
CHSL settles on alignment with Toledo schools in powerhouse Central Division
After months of discussion, the Detroit-area based Catholic High School League has settled on a seven-team football alignment for the 2023 season which will include Toledo's three Catholic-school teams in the league's powerhouse Central Division.Central Catholic, St. Francis de Sales, and St. John's Jesuit – currently members of Ohio's Three River Athletic Conference – will blend with four historically powerhouse programs that have combined to win 31 Michigan state championships and had 20 other state runner-up finishes since a playoff format was adopted in 1975: defending Michigan Division 2 state champion Warren De La Salle, Novi Detroit Catholic Central, Birmingham Brother Rice, and Orchard Lake St. Mary's.
“That is exactly what I expected it to be when we agreed to join,” Central Catholic head football coach and athletic director Greg Dempsey said. “This is as much of a meat-grinder league that anybody can go through in football.
“When you look at what those four teams from Michigan bring to the table, and what our three teams from down here will add, there are no easy weeks in that Central Division starting next year.”
The decision was made by the CHSL membership, and after there were no final appeals from any of the seven schools, the alignment was set for 2023.
The league is in the process of creating a 2023 division schedule, and the seven teams will need to fill their non-division dates.
The plan from the get-go was to put the Toledo schools in the Central Division for all sports, including Notre Dame and St. Ursula, according to CHSL director Vic Michaels.
“When we had our initial talks with the Toledo schools, we felt at that time that what was best for all of them, in all sports, was to go into our Central Division for all sports, boys and girls. … That's going to be a pretty good football league for sure, and a very good basketball and volleyball league.”
The opposition presents a challenging future for Toledo's three teams, which were left without a league when TRAC members Clay, Findlay, Fremont Ross, and Whitmer all announced exits from that conference to join an expanded Northern Lakes League beginning with the 2023-24 school year.
“The Central Division will be a highly competitive division that we look forward to competing in,” St. John's football coach Larry McDaniel said. “I think it will be interesting to see how we are able to combine the schools in two different states.”
The fit was not viewed as optimum for all three Toledo schools.
“We would have preferred, and felt we currently fit much better in the AA Division,” St. Francis athletic director Justin Edgell said.
For football, in this 2022 season, the CHSL also has a three-team AA Division, a five-team Intersectional-1 Division, and a six-team Intersectional-2 Division.
Michaels added the CHSL protocol over the years is to evaluate the programs for all boys and girls sports after each school year and determine whether given teams would be better suited in a higher or lower division within the CHSL.
“We'll see if there are schools – whether they're ours or the Toledo schools – that just don't belong in those divisions anymore,” Michaels said. “Each year we evaluate each [sports] season. We look at the results, and what they're doing at the sub-varsity level. We don't want somebody playing in a division where they're not capable of competing. Not necessarily just wins and losses, but whether they can compete or not.
“It may appear to be difficult for some schools, but we'll see after one year what it looks like, and if we have to adjust from there then we certainly will.”
At the outset, based on recent history, Central Catholic seems to be the best suited Toledo team to compete for a CHSL Central Division title.
Central Catholic had already scheduled its Week 1 and Week 2 nonleague games for 2023, opening at future NLL member Findlay. The second week the Irish have contracted to play Whitmer, with the home team yet to be determined based on who and where the Panthers play in Week 1.
Dempsey the decision on an alignment was something of a relief after a lengthy wait.
“Once you get definitive answers it always helps,” he added. “It's good to know where we're going to be, and now you can start scheduling.”
St. John's will open 2023 by hosting Dublin Coffman in Week 1 and playing at Anthony Wayne in Week 2.
With the seven-team alignment – and Ohio opening its 10-week regular season a week ahead of Michigan's nine-week regular season – the Central Division games will be played between Ohio's Weeks 3-9 (2-8 for Michigan), with each team having a bye week in this span where it must find a non-Central Division opponent.
For the final week's games (Ohio's Week 10 and Michigan's Week 9), the CHSL will find opponents for each team with the caveat being that the first-place team automatically earns a spot at Detroit’s Ford Field in the league's Prep Bowl, which in 2023 will be played on Oct. 21 at 4:30 p.m.
Michaels said that in recent years the top teams from the Central and AA divisions have played in the Prep Bowl, but this season the CHSL may decide to have the top two Central Division teams compete for a second time in that special championship game. That is to be determined at the CHSL's upcoming Nov. 8 board meeting.
First Published October 4, 2022, 9:46am
ayCC!
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I guess that’s where the hope of relgation lies? I’m sure they will compete well in the country club sports, and in football if they get relegated to the lower divisions. I see where your point is, though.
CCHS93
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Its about all sports though. Being in a conference is so much easier for an AD to schedule games.
That is true...but football and basketball pay the bills and bring arguably the most recognition.
eastisbest
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Why? They will compete just fine. SFS needed to step up its game anyhow.
Is hockey included?
ayCC!
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It looks like they will stay in the local hockey conference, as there will be no NLL only conference for hockey.
Bishop Sycamore
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Oh no you don't! Back to the top
Del Griffith
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would love this!!!!!!!!!
Maple_City_Fan
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no Oak Harbor?
BirdDog10
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Throw in LB and Oak Harbor
Could do Oak Harbor and drop Woodmore/Gibsonburg.
Or just add OH and Liberty Benton and make it a 10 teamer.
I’d assume the smaller schools wouldn’t love the OH addition.
CC Track Fan
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Most of those schools want nothing to do with LB and their facilities, athletes they get from Findlay and student growth.
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This league doesn’t work anymore, Elmwood is capable of competing in it but Lakota, Northwood and Woodmore/GB would be better off together in the SBC. In my opinion Elmwood and Fostoria could join them all and you have 6 teams, Ottawa Hills would make 7, maybe Van Buren gets you to 8 and we have a new D5-6 conference. LB goes to the NBC for Fostoria and all 16 schools are happy. The rest of the BVC schools would need to join either the NWC or NWCC though.
They don't want to compete against Otsego, Lake, Eastwood, and Genoa?
I think last years Lakota football team beats Lake and Genoa.
Gibsonburg football would beat Lake this year and I think compete with Otsego/Genoa.
I could see Woodmore wanting no part of this conference. But maybe by having Gibsonburg, Lakota, and Northwood would entice them to join.
Northwood has the athletes.
Good discussion though. I could see the argument of making that "smaller" conference though.
Genoa is smaller now and continue to get small. I think in the next round of enrollment figures they will be in the 140s for both girls and boys.