MLB Owners crying "Poor" are not being honest

It's truly amazing how you can be so incredibly wrong so often.
I said football is popular, but not just due to the game itself. It fits into fans schedules better. Fans are not dedicated enough anymore to follow their baseball teams daily for 6 months. It's a sign of the times. And I think I'm right alot more than you think. Just have to think about things a little deeper.
I'm over this topic, I'm moving into actual game stuff. As I've stated many times, I could give a rip who makes what in baseball. I makes zero difference.
 
I think it's easy for people to play the blame game, but as long as the dollars keep coming in, why would owners make any sweeping changes?
They should make changes to make the league and the sport better and more attractive to customers.
 
Football is popular for other reasons than competitive balance.
1. It's weekly. Much more digestible by fan bases. Once a week for only 17 weeks out of the season. Even if your team wins the Super Bowl, you're only enguaged less than half of the season.
2. Fantasy football. There is no other gimmick that has caused more stir in sports than fantasy football. People who don't even care about football have fantasy teams where they can play GM and add and delete players.
3. A couple key areas in the country LOVE football. The south, SEC territory, Texas, California, Florida and the midwest. San Diego lost it's football team because there is just too many other things to do in southern California than follow a football team that doesn't win. LA's had a heck of a time keeping a team there.
So think Bengals attendance and TV viewers will be up next season because people play fantasy football and not because they've put a winning team on the field?
 
I said football is popular, but not just due to the game itself. It fits into fans schedules better. Fans are not dedicated enough anymore to follow their baseball teams daily for 6 months. It's a sign of the times. And I think I'm right alot more than you think. Just have to think about things a little deeper.
I'm over this topic, I'm moving into actual game stuff. As I've stated many times, I could give a rip who makes what in baseball. I makes zero difference.
You think football is popular because people don't have time to dedicate to their team?

LMAO

Football never takes a day off!
 
Do they? Every year attendance records are broken and networks continue to pay premium dollars to broadcast games. I think it's easy for people to play the blame game, but as long as the dollars keep coming in, why would owners make any sweeping changes? The minimum salary for major league players went up 37% this season. You think the owners would have pushed back more if they were losing market share???
Here's what we know about fans. When the team wins, they WILL come and watch. about 85% of most fan bases are fair weather fans, even in LA and New York.
OMG. Baseball attendance is dropping overall, and TV ratings have plummeted. Pay attention to reality .

You do have one thing right, fans will come when teams are winning, and have a chance for playoffs. The key point you are missing is that almost half of the teams' fans have very little hope, due to enormous disparity of the talent and salary. Watch the $280M Dodgers or the $240M Yankees play the $40M Orioles or Pirates, and win 5 out of every 6. That is why overall attendance is dropping...
 
OMG. Baseball attendance is dropping overall, and TV ratings have plummeted. Pay attention to reality .

You do have one thing right, fans will come when teams are winning, and have a chance for playoffs. The key point you are missing is that almost half of the teams' fans have very little hope, due to enormous disparity of the talent and salary. Watch the $280M Dodgers or the $240M Yankees play the $40M Orioles or Pirates, and win 5 out of every 6. That is why overall attendance is dropping...
Damn you wolves82, you keep using facts and actual numbers!

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Damn you wolves82, you keep using facts and actual numbers!

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The attendance numbers are compelling, but they are over a relatively short period of time and are declining since the crazy offense-fest years of the mid-1990s to mid-2000s. Balls were flying out of the park and fans were excited. MLB can certainly bring offense back full-bore anytime they want by juicing the ball and making life hard on pitchers.

The World Series TV viewing numbers are startling, though. Even with the massive proliferation of cable TV and streaming options and channels since 1985, a drop from 36 mil to 9 mil is crazy.
 
The attendance numbers are compelling, but they are over a relatively short period of time and are declining since the crazy offense-fest years of the mid-1990s to mid-2000s. Balls were flying out of the park and fans were excited. MLB can certainly bring offense back full-bore anytime they want by juicing the ball and making life hard on pitchers.

The World Series TV viewing numbers are startling, though. Even with the massive proliferation of cable TV and streaming options and channels since 1985, a drop from 36 mil to 9 mil is crazy.
Right? But Manfred and MLB just sitting there like 14Red:
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Big difference between MLB and NFL when it comes to tv revenue. The NFL tv revenue is national TV rev., FOX, NBC, CBS, ESPN, etc. MLB has local and national rev. If the NY Giants had a huge local tv contract, would they be willing to share with the rest of the teams in the NFL? I doubt it.
 
Big difference between MLB and NFL when it comes to tv revenue. The NFL tv revenue is national TV rev., FOX, NBC, CBS, ESPN, etc. MLB has local and national rev. If the NY Giants had a huge local tv contract, would they be willing to share with the rest of the teams in the NFL? I doubt it.
MLB already shares revenue with small markets. They simply aren't spending it on payroll.

The Pirates have figured out that getting $75M in revenue sharing is pretty nice especially when you only drop 30M on payroll.
 
Or the Mets and Angels when you are consistently spending near the most in baseball and never win?
 
Or the Mets and Angels when you are consistently spending near the most in baseball and never win?
LOL. Are you suggesting that the Angels (15-8, 1st place in AL West) and Mets (16-7, 1st place in NL East) should adopt the Reds (3-19) plan?
 
LOL. Are you suggesting that the Angels (15-8, 1st place in AL West) and Mets (16-7, 1st place in NL East) should adopt the Reds (3-19) plan?

He's suggesting you should just be thanking the Castellini's there's a team on the field.
 
OMG. Baseball attendance is dropping overall, and TV ratings have plummeted. Pay attention to reality .

You do have one thing right, fans will come when teams are winning, and have a chance for playoffs. The key point you are missing is that almost half of the teams' fans have very little hope, due to enormous disparity of the talent and salary. Watch the $280M Dodgers or the $240M Yankees play the $40M Orioles or Pirates, and win 5 out of every 6. That is why overall attendance is dropping...
I give you quote of the year honors with this one, and the year is still young.
 
The attendance numbers are compelling, but they are over a relatively short period of time and are declining since the crazy offense-fest years of the mid-1990s to mid-2000s. Balls were flying out of the park and fans were excited. MLB can certainly bring offense back full-bore anytime they want by juicing the ball and making life hard on pitchers.

The World Series TV viewing numbers are startling, though. Even with the massive proliferation of cable TV and streaming options and channels since 1985, a drop from 36 mil to 9 mil is crazy.
I have to wonder if baseball is just too slow of a game for todays ADD world? Everything seems to be short and to the point, a baseball game is a very protracted event. Ain't nobody got time for that!
 
OMG. Baseball attendance is dropping overall, and TV ratings have plummeted. Pay attention to reality .

You do have one thing right, fans will come when teams are winning, and have a chance for playoffs. The key point you are missing is that almost half of the teams' fans have very little hope, due to enormous disparity of the talent and salary. Watch the $280M Dodgers or the $240M Yankees play the $40M Orioles or Pirates, and win 5 out of every 6. That is why overall attendance is dropping...
Still best post of the year IMO. I thought of this post yesterday as major league baseball's failing teams shipped their beet talent in to competitively successful teams continuing the AAAA mode of baseball for these failing clubs. Every once in a while an Oakland or Miami pops up and wins it all, but those will be fewer going forward. The game is becoming simply a large market game. AAAA pays pretty well but nothing like a real MLB team can pay. Overall, that will kill the game.
 
Still best post of the year IMO. I thought of this post yesterday as major league baseball's failing teams shipped their beet talent in to competitively successful teams continuing the AAAA mode of baseball for these failing clubs. Every once in a while an Oakland or Miami pops up and wins it all, but those will be fewer going forward. The game is becoming simply a large market game. AAAA pays pretty well but nothing like a real MLB team can pay. Overall, that will kill the game.
But, World Series results last 20 years don't support this.
 
I have to wonder if baseball is just too slow of a game for todays ADD world? Everything seems to be short and to the point, a baseball game is a very protracted event. Ain't nobody got time for that!
I'll say this and some will get mad. Baseball is hard. Baseball is a game of failure for the hitters. Even as great of a year as Aaron Judge is having, he still fails to get on base 7 out of 10 official plate appearances. He has 115 base hits this season, yet he's stuck out 116 times. Today's society like the instant gratification. College football fans would rather see a 45-43 shootout as both offenses just move the ball up and down the field. They don't want to see a 13-10 grind it out type of game. In basketball, even guys on bad NBA teams average 25 PPG.
Baseball takes alot of skill sets that take time to fully develop. Guys can be incredible hitters in high school, college and even the high minor leagues, yet they can't hit major league pitching.
 
I'll say this and some will get mad. Baseball is hard. Baseball is a game of failure for the hitters. Even as great of a year as Aaron Judge is having, he still fails to get on base 7 out of 10 official plate appearances. He has 115 base hits this season, yet he's stuck out 116 times. Today's society like the instant gratification. College football fans would rather see a 45-43 shootout as both offenses just move the ball up and down the field. They don't want to see a 13-10 grind it out type of game. In basketball, even guys on bad NBA teams average 25 PPG.
Baseball takes alot of skill sets that take time to fully develop. Guys can be incredible hitters in high school, college and even the high minor leagues, yet they can't hit major league pitching.
No one on this thread said baseball is easy. We know it is a hard sport to master.

The question was "Is baseball too slow, too boring for the younger people?" Your response: "baseball is hard". Apparently so is reading comprehension.
 
But, World Series results last 20 years don't support this.
Wrong. 26 of the last 27 World Series have been won by teams in the top half of MLB team payroll. usually top 8. 2003 Marlins were the exception. The teams that don't spend above MLB average on players can't win, except in very rare cases.

This page is a couple years old, but add to it the Braves (11th in payroll) and Dodgers (top 2). https://www.baseballamerica.com/sto...ening-day-payroll-ranks-in-the-wild-card-era/
 
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Looks like the Red Sox are getting $17 million a year from MassMutual for a jersey patch.


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Baseball is becoming NASCAR. Awesome.

In the NHL I've noticed that the Blue Jackets have a Safelite decal on their helmets, and of course soccer teams have long had corporate logos on their uniforms. Inevitable I guess. But I don't have to like it.
 
Baseball is becoming NASCAR. Awesome.

In the NHL I've noticed that the Blue Jackets have a Safelite decal on their helmets, and of course soccer teams have long had corporate logos on their uniforms. Inevitable I guess. But I don't have to like it.
The PGA is already the new NASCAR;

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I remember when Jack only had a small golden bear, his own company, on the left chest.
 
While I don’t really like it, I understand everything’s a business now and the owners are going to sell every bit of advertising they can. You just hope they put it towards the lineup
 
While I don’t really like it, I understand everything’s a business now and the owners are going to sell every bit of advertising they can. You just hope they put it towards the lineup
I know two owners in Ohio and another just across Ohio’s border to the east who will just pocket any extra revenue.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
 
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