I see things just the opposite way. To me, this thread proves Massillon should NEVER be in the Federal League. Having to deal with the many fans they have that like to spout off nonsense to cause problems (not just the few we see here) would be counterintuitive to what high school sports are for.So far this is just proving that Massillon needs to be in the Federal League. Would force everyone else to shape up, would be a clear financial win for each of the other school districts (except GlenOak and McKinley, since they already play), gives everyone a cleaner schedule (even number of FL teams, only 3 unscheduled games instead of 9 for the Tigers)...oh yeah, and no one likes each other...
Just painfully obvious. It'll never happen because everyone's too emotionally hurt by stuff that's happened years and generations in the past, but sometimes the obvious thing doesn't happen. And both sides are worse off for it.
Who said that?Agree.
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Both can be true.Simple math, mckinley has 150 more boys then the next largest school in the fed, more boys equals more success....
So wait is mckinley past it’s glory days because they have less boys then 20 years ago or bad coaching hires. You guys need to make up your minds here.
I don’t think it’s a great league, I don’t want to be a member of the league.
I do agree with analytics though. I totally buy into the rankings at Fantastic50. They rank each team in the the state.
In 2019 the last year they did rankings. The Fed finished with
#14 Mckinley
#39 Jackson
#46 Perry
#145 Hoover
#158 Lake
#411 Glenoak
I would say in an average year this is fairly close with GlenOak being an outlier. Jackson overachieved this year but usually Hoover would be comfortably inside the top 100.
The league usually has one top 15 in the state team. Two others in the top 50 and two more in the top 100. A good league not great.
For what it’s worth Massillon finished ranked 5.
Massillon wasn’t a “great” team last year but they still beat the three best Fed teams by a margin of 83 points...I don’t think it’s a great league, I don’t want to be a member of the league.
I do agree with analytics though. I totally buy into the rankings at Fantastic50. They rank each team in the the state.
In 2019 the last year they did rankings. The Fed finished with
#14 Mckinley
#39 Jackson
#46 Perry
#145 Hoover
#158 Lake
#411 Glenoak
I would say in an average year this is fairly close with GlenOak being an outlier. Jackson overachieved this year but usually Hoover would be comfortably inside the top 100.
The league usually has one top 15 in the state team. Two others in the top 50 and two more in the top 100. A good league not great.
For what it’s worth Massillon finished ranked 5.
Massillon wasn’t a “great” team last year but they still beat the three best Fed teams by a margin of 83 points...
Hoover overachieved last year. It had been a about a decade or so since they had won a playoff game until this year and by all accounts the cupboards are bare for the next few years.
Perry has to figure out how to keep the train rolling so to speak without Wakefield.
McK finally got multiple playoff wins in the same year for the first time in a while.
Green...
Glenoak...have they beat a team from Ohio yet?
Lake...haven’t done much lately
Jackson...when is their last playoff win?
Ehh. Massillon was a good team and when clicking they were a VERY good team but not great. Ed’s was down and we still lost, Iggy was down and we damn near lost, Lasalle outplayed us and were without their two best players, Hoban kicked our teeth in.I think the Tigers were a great team. Hoban was the only team that out played Massillon.
Massillon embarrassed all three Fed teams. Beat Iggy and LaSalle and lost a weird opener to Ed’s.
I expect the 21 Tigers to be even better.
Lake hasn’t done much lately but it’s still a quality program.. one of the few with a winning record in the playoffs in stark county with multiple state championships appearances and final four appearances. Isn’t that the same amount of success as Massillon right? Both don’t have a state title, both have winning records in the playoffs with multiple final four appearances and a few state title losses, no? ???Hoover also used to be tough. Like I said earlier, the fed ain’t what it used to be, but it was a good league.Massillon wasn’t a “great” team last year but they still beat the three best Fed teams by a margin of 83 points...
Hoover overachieved last year. It had been a about a decade or so since they had won a playoff game until this year and by all accounts the cupboards are bare for the next few years.
Perry has to figure out how to keep the train rolling so to speak without Wakefield.
McK finally got multiple playoff wins in the same year for the first time in a while.
Green...
Glenoak...have they beat a team from Ohio yet?
Lake...haven’t done much lately
Jackson...when is their last playoff win?
If it was that simple, Massillon would be begging to schedule Hoban.I just don't understand the Federal league and Massillon. Growing up in the 60's and 70's in Niles, the first thing everyone did was to see what weeks we played Massillon and McKinley because you made sure you were off work or there were no weddings scheduled. We were excited to play those games. Times changed, but I would think a school the same size as the other 7 teams in a local league would have everyone begging to have a team with the tradition of Massillon in their league. Local sport fans and kids are being missing out. Sad
Not a bad program. But like I said they haven’t had a lot of postseason success as of late. Didn’t really have any gripe with Lake but since ya wanna start taking shots...Lake hasn’t done much lately but it’s still a quality program.. one of the few with a winning record in the playoffs in stark county with multiple state championships appearances and final four appearances. Isn’t that the same amount of success as Massillon right? Both don’t have a state title, both have winning records in the playoffs with multiple final four appearances and a few state title losses, no? ???Hoover also used to be tough. Like I said earlier, the fed ain’t what it used to be, but it was a good league.
I’m saying it used to be a good league. It’s ehh nowadays.The Fed is a good league for several sports and has been a good football league in the past. It’s just not a good football league right now and I’m not really sure how anyone can argue otherwise
I see things just the opposite way. To me, this thread proves Massillon should NEVER be in the Federal League. Having to deal with the many fans they have that like to spout off nonsense to cause problems (not just the few we see here) would be counterintuitive to what high school sports are for.
The Federal League is fine just the way it is.
Federal League football records w/McKinley as a member 2004-2020
McKinley 84-23
Perry 55-52
Hoover 54-53
All the rest have a losing record.
Not to sound smart, but was is your point with this? I assume you think McKinley should leave the Fed?Plus beat Hoover 10 years in a row.Same goes for Jackson.
Besides Massillon who could go 84-23 in the Fed and beat Hoover 10 years in a row in Stark County?
Not to sound smart, but was is your point with this? I assume you think McKinley should leave the Fed?
Hoban in D1 would be interestingI would love to see Massillon back in Division 1. I know it won't happen because of enrollment, but I would love to see that region in the playoffs with them in there
That's like Niles McK, back in the late 50,s an 60,s 70,s they were a state power house I think they had the longest win streak in the state 48 games in a row, then wen the steel jobs dried up the power moved over to Austintown across I76 now there, an have been a just a shadow of what was once a great football program
Thatś true. That was footballNiles was a state power during that era. Massillon broke their 48 game winning streak. That game was played at the Akron Rubber Bowl before 30,000+ fans. That Tiger win kept the Massillon 52 winning streak intact. I attended a few Niles-Canton McKinley games throughout the years. The Red Dragons played most of their games on the Saturday nights. The AAC was the best football conference, ever.
Hoban in D1 would be interesting
would love to see them both thereHoban in D1 would be interesting