Raider6309
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I’m always surprised Logan never joined the MSL. They have been talking about a new league since the 80’s. Logan has to have the dumbest administration in the state
I’m always surprised Logan never joined the MSL. They have been talking about a new league since the 80’s. Logan has to have the dumbest administration in the state
Yeah I agree that Buckeye Valley was not a great addition especially if you are saying that Logan is not a good candidate.
As I've said on a previous thread, I would love to see the LCL "poach" some of the MSL teams and become a premier central ohio conference. Something along the lines of these divisions would be great in my opinion:
METRO
Whitehall
Newark
Zanesville
Licking Heights
Watkins Memorial
Granville
CAPITAL
Licking Valley
Johnstown
Bexley
Grandview Heights
Lakewood
Liberty Union
OHIO
Newark Catholic
Fisher Catholic
Northridge
Utica
Heath
Berne Union
A couple crossover games (not mandatory) and I think you have some competetive, stable conferences for the future.
I can see Ready GCC HP and WC doing a new league with KIPP and Christo ReyI dont believe Newark will come aboard for LCL expansion, but the LCL could become a Premier Central Ohio League especially with all the potential problems the MSL will probably have and its member schools could have an outlet to be in a secure league that values tradition.
We'll take the LCL Fan's divisional set up for a new LCL from some of the MSL schools, along with 2 schools of Mount Vernon or possibly Newark, and Centerburg with boys enrollment numbers:
LICKING CENTRAL LEAGUE. LCL
METRO
530 Watkins Memorial
493 Licking Heights
475 Mount Vernon
387 Whitehall
344 Hamilton Twp.
344 Zanesville
342 Granville
271 Bexley
CAPITAL
256 Bloom Carroll
249 Licking Valley
228 Lakewood
227 Fairfield Union
216 Heath
203 Johnstown
188 Amanda Clearcreek
159 Columbus Academy
OHIO
200 Utica
161 Liberty Union
150 Northridge
140 Centerburg
123 Grandview Heights
95 Berne Union
87 Newark Catholic
57 Fisher Catholic
Teays Valley to the OCC
Circleville & Logan Elm to the Frontier
GCC & HP & WC to a new league
Ready back to CCL
Buckeye Valley back to MOAC
Fairfield Christian & Millersport to MOCAC
Rosecrans to new league
I'm gonna break your balls, here. The MSL wasn't the league that went on a 20 year hiatus! LOL And I don't think the MSL is a league that, by contrast, doesn't value tradition. It's just a different league in many ways than it was 20-25 years ago.I dont believe Newark will come aboard for LCL expansion, but the LCL could become a Premier Central Ohio League especially with all the potential problems the MSL will probably have and its member schools could have an outlet to be in a secure league that values tradition
Miller became very interested in the MSL-Cardinal a couple years ago. By coming to the MSL, their travel times are cut down significantly. They were added in large part because they have a football program and, not unlike a couple of the Cardinal schools, are seriously vested in making their football work long-term. They bring fans, too. I'm curious what the AD's of these schools you allude to thought about adding Miller; did they vote them in?I don't see GCC leaving the MSL any time soon. Any other league would be a step backwards for them. Their enrollment is on the rise.
I don't understand adding Miller to the Cardinal. I have talked to coaches from a few schools and all of them are not looking forward to that drive.
Harvest Prep needs to move up to the Ohio for basketball. Sometimes you need to look at other things besides enrollment. I can see Grandview coming down to the Cardinal in all sports soon. I have watched their middle school basketball teams the last three years, big drop off coming.
Miller is 50 minutes from Rosecrans, 60 miles roundtrip. Berne is closer by 10 minutes and ~20 miles roundtrip.How far is Miller from Zanesville? Will Rosecrans be the closest or will Berne?
GCC said it took them over 1 1/2 hours to get there. It wont be much less for HP.
That's what I'm thinking is most likely to happen. There's still the always-possible opportunity that Circleville and Logan Elm go south to the Frontier and play amongst their SE district peers. And if Teays were to go to the OCC, then you could have as many as 2-3 spots open in the Buckeye if these hypothetical moves were to happen. Who would make good fits? I can think of one pair of schools that check several boxes, but would be somewhat of a stretch.I am guessing in two years it will moved around again based on Football and who goes to 8 man.
I have heard rumors that Westfall wants in the Mid-State. They would cut drives down significantly.
With the way Teays Valley is growing, they might need to find an OCC spot soon.
Westfall is a charter member of the SVC. I don't know if they would leave the SVC. Although I've done the Westfall to Adena drive before, and I can only imagine how much mileage they're covering with the trips to Piketon and Southeastern. Pro's and con's to going to the MSL? And then, what part of the MSL? I'm assuming the Buckeye. Westfall fits like a glove for LE and Circleville, somewhat Teays. The rest of the Buckeye, not so much.
An AC poster, eh? Haven't come across one since the JJHuddle days. Welcome.Actually speaking as an A-C alum Westfall would be great and a move I have supported for many years. They already play each other in basically every sport but football and have for decades. It's an easy half hour drive also.
Many in the AC district rate the rivalries with LE/Circleville as highly or higher than with the Fairfield county schools. Sometimes people get too hung up on county line divisors. I could see Pickaway county from my childhood driveway. You can see Logan Elm H.S. from the last stop on the bus I rode for years. These schools are both geographically closer to AC than any of the three "county schools" in the Buckeye.
I have long been in favor (if Teays Valley ever leaves) of trying to add Westfall AND Zane Trace (both 30 minutes from ACHS) if there was interest from their ends, and letting Liberty Union (also 30 minutes from AC) go fully to another division.
Now whether the other Buckeye schools would like that is another story.
Ask each of the 7-8 schools and you'd get 7-8 different answers. There are at least three schools I'm sure of that would prefer LU.Which is the better candidate to move to the Cardinal? Grandview Heights or Liberty Union?
I don't think Grandview would necessarily "dominate the smaller sports".I would love to see Westfall and Zane Trace in the Mid-State league. That would make for some great Pickaway County games. ZT/LE already play each other in most sports.
LU
CV
BC
FU
AC
WF
ZT
Grandview is probably the better choice for the Cardinal. They would match up better in the three main sports. They would probably dominate the smaller sports though.
Hillsboro and McClain being in the FAC always seemed like the biggest stretch with Jackson on the other end of the conference. Jackson pairs naturally with Gallia Academy, an odd fit in the OVC.new Frontier Athletic Conference:
Miami Trace
Washington Courthouse
Teays Valley
Circleville
Logan Elm
Chillicothe
Waverly
Jackson
Westfall to the MSL
Greenfield McClain to the SVC
Hillsboro to the SBAAC
Jackson pairs better with Gallia for sure but then who else could they join up with? I think they would be happy enough with the FAC I proposed, as every school is on the 23/35 corridor.Hillsboro and McClain being in the FAC always seemed like the biggest stretch with Jackson on the other end of the conference. Jackson pairs naturally with Gallia Academy, an odd fit in the OVC.
Get Miami Trace, Court House, CV, Logan Elm, Chillicothe together and you have five teams. Logan wants to join any conference at this point.
Logan has supposedly long lobbied to be in the MSL. I don’t think they’re wanted.Jackson pairs better with Gallia for sure but then who else could they join up with? I think they would be happy enough with the FAC I proposed, as every school is on the 23/35 corridor.
Logan is just an odd fit in this league, I can't see it happening. They share no major roads with FAC schools so longer drives automatically. Logan to the MSL is a possibility but still a stretch, a little too large. Wherever they should be, it should be with Athens.
new Frontier Athletic Conference:
Miami Trace
Washington Courthouse
Teays Valley
Circleville
Logan Elm
Chillicothe
Waverly
Jackson
Westfall to the MSL
Greenfield McClain to the SVC
Hillsboro to the SBAAC
That made sense awhile ago back when Logan was good. The problem was Logan was actually pretty good back then. Logan also seemed they wanted in the OCC with schools like Logan. Basically be in the MSL but under the OCC banner. Oh egosLogan has supposedly long lobbied to be in the MSL. I don’t think they’re wanted.