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Wildcats1886

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That goes to show you how much that series was about Triv/Chico. As Mentor falls off a bit in the years ahead and more opponents are willing to schedule them, I wonder how long the series will continue. Once Kyle and Triv are gone, who knows?
Cardzfan, what makes you so sure Mentor will fall off? I was very impressed with the little I saw of Snow last year, and Gray didn’t seem to miss a beat. I have a feeling the Cards will be hanging around for years to come.
 

cardzfan1234

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Cardzfan, what makes you so sure Mentor will fall off? I was very impressed with the little I saw of Snow last year, and Gray didn’t seem to miss a beat. I have a feeling the Cards will be hanging around for years to come.
Just like St Ignatius fell off from their 90s pace, Mentor will do the same from what they had over the last two decades. It would be difficult for them to maintain or surpass that. Maybe over the next decade there will be a state title. But I don’t see the kind of prolonged success as they saw from 2011-2020 in which they had top 3/4 teams in D1 seven times in the past ten seasons. They had four All-Ohio QB’s in ten seasons. That pipe is gonna run a little dry eventually, right? Has to. Snow has potential though.

The fall off after Triv will be part of it. The retirement of legendary QB coach is a part of it. The lack of replacing the DC is a big part of it. That side of the ball was the sole reason why Triv didn’t have three or four state titles. When Gray had the opportunity to get a fresh start, he chose to stay the course. The middle school teams have not had the kind of success they used to, even as they went from three to two middle schools (which should equate to more concentrated talent). I just think the talent will be about 80% of what it used to be. And so will the coaching.
 

bluengold

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Both games will be on the SIBN. Two very good matchups. Tough slate for a back to back.
Massillon Jackson broadcast starts at 4:00 pm, which must mean one of the Freshmen teams + JV (5:30) + Varsity (7:00)
Mentor broadcast starts at 5:30 pm with JV, followed by Varsity (7:00 pm)
Go Cats!
 
The current freshman class is very talented and has strong players contributing at all three levels, no doubt. That said Ignatius graduates two really good bigs in Raynor and Yontek after this season that will be tough to replace. But the overall talent level is going up for sure. It is hilarious to read some of the posts a few pages back in the thread, stating that the hoops program was doomed with the Joyce hire and that the talent gap with Ed’s would be growing.

Big game this Saturday at Mentor. Kudos to both ADs and staffs for getting that done. I’ve always wondered why the two schools haven’t played more in other sports given the great and very competitive football rivalry over the last 15 years.
Mentor and Ignatius also played basketball for 3 years from 1994-1996 and for 4 years from 1998-2002. Mentor went 2-5. Except for 1 game they were all very close. The 2001 game was a classic in front of a standing room only crowd at Mentor that elevated Ignatius to #1 in the AP poll. I think that they stopped playing because the LEL added teams (12 or 14 teams) and there was not much room to schedule independents. Also, out of the parochial schools, Mentor has played VASJ the most and longest. They played SVSM from 2003-2005 and started scheduling ST. Ed's occasionally through 2004-2011. Lake Catholic has been sprinkled in over the years because it is a great atmosphere and attendance draw.
 

Wildcats1886

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One word describes both games this weekend: embarrassed
This team has serious issues on the offensive side of the ball. The Jackson game was also compounded with a complete loss of composure and mental toughness as the Polar Bears started to come back.

Mentor is a great team clearly and is a tough matchup for this Ignatius group. If the Cats played their absolute best, that’s still a tough game to win. I didn’t see that from Jackson, that was a very winnable game and the second half collapse was inexcusable.

Teams have caught on to the Cats’ offensive sets and are doing a much better job defending Effertz and making life tough in the post for Raynor and Yontek. They need to space the floor more and run more dynamic actions. Would like to see Little attack the basket more, as well as run more PnR with Raynor / Yontek. The bigs also need to kick the ball out more. Teams are aggressively helping into the post, and too many shots are being forced up out of bad position.
 

bluengold

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This team has serious issues on the offensive side of the ball. The Jackson game was also compounded with a complete loss of composure and mental toughness as the Polar Bears started to come back.

Mentor is a great team clearly and is a tough matchup for this Ignatius group. If the Cats played their absolute best, that’s still a tough game to win. I didn’t see that from Jackson, that was a very winnable game and the second half collapse was inexcusable.

Teams have caught on to the Cats’ offensive sets and are doing a much better job defending Effertz and making life tough in the post for Raynor and Yontek. They need to space the floor more and run more dynamic actions. Would like to see Little attack the basket more, as well as run more PnR with Raynor / Yontek. The bigs also need to kick the ball out more. Teams are aggressively helping into the post, and too many shots are being forced up out of bad position.
Agree 100% with your comments. Opposing teams have watched the film and devised their game plans to counter the Cats offensive sets as well as their mid-court defensive traps and press.

The offense seems to be stuck passing around the perimeter and there’s not much penetration and attacking the basket.

The opposing teams have pushed the Cats’ outside shooters a little farther out - beyond their range, as evident by some air balls as of late. Still, open look shots are being missed. With the exception of Effertz, outside shooting has been inconsistent all season. Even so, his last 2 games have been a struggle with the defense that Jackson and Mentor played.

Down in the post, teams have been doubling down with help-side. The Cats’ bigs are not getting a good position and are getting pushed off the block. When the ball does get inside, the Cats’ bigs have the tendency to try to put the ball on the floor and with the defenses collapsing, the end result are steals and more turnovers. With the Cats’ size advantage, they need to move quicker to the basket or, as you noted, the ball needs to be kicked out and moved around to someone who’s open.

Ignatius does have players with offensive skills. The Cats have not adjusted to the defenses they’ve been seeing. Their offense need to adjust along the lines you mention to exploit the skills and advantages the Cats do have.

Defensively, the Cats may also have to look at some adjustments. Both Jackson and Mentor successfully countered the traps and press. The only reason that Jackson and Mentor scored less than 60 is that they both pulled the ball out and milked the clock for most of the 4th quarter. Before then, it was apparent both were getting open looks at the basket and when they started to hit, both went on runs the Cats could not overcome.

It’s the tournament and now time to step it up. Go Cats!
 
Well said by posters above. I watched the point guard Little pounding the ball on the floor on the top of the key in possession after possession - against the best guard in the state - for 10-15 seconds at a time - while the other players stood around. Too easy to defend that. Little is obviously very talented and had a good first half for himself - 6 points I think -- but his team had only 20 points. That is the problem. Point guard needs to facilitate the offense. Teams figuring out that other than Efferetz, outside shooting is inconsistent. Mentor plays much faster and more patient on offense with multiple passes each possession and got mostly open shots all night. Also, when playing the number one team in the state, perhaps shrink the line-up a little and try to win the game with the best players. The best players need the ball in their hands. Tough choices as the team is loaded with talent. But that is what a good coach needs to do.
 

Wildcats1886

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Another very poor game offensively against Parma (albeit missing a key piece). The offense has just been horrible since the Rossford game. The Cats are playing at a glacial pace and look confused constantly. Same turnover problems and forced interior shots persist.

For bright spots, freshman Carter Jackson played his best game as a Wildcat, and is starting to look much more confident with the ball in his hands. Although perhaps a little too confident on his ill-advised breakaway dunk attempt. He provided a much needed spark to the offense last night and played a strong game defensively and on the boards.

If the offense doesn’t improve, this team is capable of losing to Steele despite the size and talent advantage.
 
Agree with Wildcats 1886 - In last 3 games, the team has scored 46, 33 and 51 points. The 51 against a gritty, but clearly overrmatched Parma squad. I think the game was tied at 31 in second half. Jackson had a good game but he will not get those easy shots against a deeper and more talented team. Difficult to predict from night to night which Igantius team will show up -- the deep and dominate team that beat a good Medina/Ed's and Rossford squad - or a team that underperforms against Mentor and most recently Parma. But in the playoffs - a win is a win. Congrats to Parma coach and his kids for not backing down against a superior and much bigger opponent.
 
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