Ask The Ref?
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AllSports12
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Four years ago, the Assistant Commissioner in charge of football officiating sent out an e-mail to all the officials in the state. He advised that teams are not to be penalized for bands playing during a live ball or when the ball is about to be live.
The officials were instructed, when the opportunity arises, to seek help from the game administrators with regards to bands playing. Games were not to be stopped or delayed for this.
If the problem was not corrected, then the Referee or crew chief was instructed to contact Columbus by a game report or e-mail to advise on the situation.
Columbus would take the matter up from there.
AllSports12
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AllSports12
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and if the official is doing his/her job, they will not penalize your team.
tallmadge H2 dad
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Wait a minute. So if team A attempts a FG from the 35 yard line and misses it, but the ball crosses the goal line, Team B gets the ball at the 20 instead of the 35??? I have never heard of such a thing. In college and NFL, if a FG is missed, the other team gets the ball from the spot of the kick.
AllSports12
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A field goal attempt is a scrimmage kick. (commonly referred to a a punt)
Under High School (Federation) rules, anytime a kick (scrimmage or free) crosses the plane of the goal line it is a touch back and by rule the ball is placed at the 20 yard-line.
BALLBOY1968
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Here is the play:
Team A has ball up 21-20 4th and 5 from own 20, 4th quarter clock running
:34 play clock at :02 Team A false starts. Team B is out of time outs. So now there is :33 on clock. So after marking off the penalty and setting play clock to :25 you are going to wind the clock? Seems like a bad rule to me to wind the clock.
Team A has ball up 21-20 4th and 5 from own 20, 4th quarter clock running
:34 play clock at :02 Team A false starts. Team B is out of time outs. So now there is :33 on clock. So after marking off the penalty and setting play clock to :25 you are going to wind the clock? Seems like a bad rule to me to wind the clock.
AllSports12
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As someone stated prior, the Referee has the discretion to, and should start the clock on the snap. This avoids the A gaining an advantage from fouling.
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BALLBOY1968
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But shouldn't it just be a rule that if the offense commits a penalty the clocks stops until the snap at all times? At the lower levels the refs run the clock on everything, even seen a ref wind the clock in a fresh game after an incomplete pass. Make it a rule so everyone knows when the clock will start not jsut on the refs decision. What if that was the first penalty of the game for Team A. How does ef know if it was intentional or not? Just throwing it out there.
AllSports12
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The rules provide that the status of the clock prior to any dead ball foul is the barometer for what the officials do to the clock after the penalty is enforced. It works well and keeps the game moving. The rules makers do not want the game to become one where the clock is stagnant. The game has evolved over the years that now we have a pass/run game versus a run/pass game. Pass/run gives you the potential for more incomplete passes and more clock stoppages. Killing the clock till the snap after all fouls on A is not what the game needs. (Heck, even the NFL changed their rules so that the clock continues to run on plays that end up out of bounds in the last 2 minutes in the first half and the last 5 minutes of the second half)
For the games you see at lower levels where the refs are winding the clock incorrectly, you are either looking at a blowout situation or an official who is there to get a check and get out.
For the situation where the first foul of the game on A is under 30 seconds remaining while they have the ball and the lead........
Bad timing on their part
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Kick offs
Ref, I always thought if a kick off return man touches (or backs into) the end-zone with the ball on a kick-off in Ohio High School it is a touch back. Found out this year it does not matter if return man is in the end zone, what matters is the ball has to break the plane of the end zone. Is this correct? Is this new this year or changed recently?
Ref, I always thought if a kick off return man touches (or backs into) the end-zone with the ball on a kick-off in Ohio High School it is a touch back. Found out this year it does not matter if return man is in the end zone, what matters is the ball has to break the plane of the end zone. Is this correct? Is this new this year or changed recently?
AllSports12
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It's always been the position of the ball in relation to the plane of the goal line, not the feet.
Lynus24
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i've got one to add to this....
Why....if a punt/kick returner attempts to catch a ball in the field of play, and the ball bounces off his hands or shoulder pads, then crosses the goal line...is that still a touch back?
One would think this is a "live" ball....I've seen it happen to my team twice in the last 5 years. Both times we recovered in the end zone. Both times the opposing team got possession on the 20.
Goofy rule that needs changed.
Also if the FG is downed on the 1 yard line it is the receivers ball at that spot.
A kick ends when a player gains possession of the ball. Therefore a ball crossing the goal line that was not possessed is still by definition a kick. The rule states any kick that crosses the plane of the goal line is a touchback.
That is correct. And nobody is allowed to hit/block a player whose helmet came off. If the ball carrier's helmet comes off the ball is dead at that spot.
I vaguely remember that now that you mention it.
That is correct, I forgot the specifics before posting.
AllSports12
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If you use the scrimmage kick terminology you don't muddy the waters when trying to explain that the "FGA/FGM" and a "punt" are scrimmage kicks.
Oil Filter
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Here's one that gets to the crux of many of these biscuits: where can one find a downloadable copy of the NFHS rulebook?
you can view 2013 changes and interpretations here. http://www.nfhs.org/Football/
you can download the 2012 rulebook here. http://goodofficials.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/2012-football-rules2.pdf
you have to be an official to download the 2013 version or buy it
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Funny I guess?
Sometimes when scouting it's hilarious to hear fans yelling at officials calls when they don't even understand HS rules to begin with.
This kicking down rule has been around for a while, it's not new.
Sometimes when scouting it's hilarious to hear fans yelling at officials calls when they don't even understand HS rules to begin with.
This kicking down rule has been around for a while, it's not new.
If the motion of the ball results in the end zone still dead
Where it was touched is :first touching" and could it recoverable by the other team as a muffed in the field of play ball
Where it was touched is :first touching" and could it recoverable by the other team as a muffed in the field of play ball
EastYoungstown
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AllSports12
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Not quite....
It is first touching when the kicking team touches the ball beyond the neutral zone before the receiving team touches the ball.
If the receiving team touches the ball, it is considered a muff and the ball is free to be recovered by either team.