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If a high school team in Ohio is using illegal headsets with players on the field why is it only a in game consequence? When there is evidence, (video and auto) why can’t OHSAA do something about it?
 
That's not a question any official here will have an answer for. We are tasked with enforcing the rules on the field.
 
joesports said:
I understand the rule, I just think it’s a glitch in the rules … teams should just fumble every time they are being tackled when going for two.
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Many years ago I had this discussion with a coach regarding this rule. One of his assistants suggested exactly what you suggested.....

The glared at him and said, you think it's a good idea to teach high school kids how to fumble?!!

That was the last year for that assistant.
 
General Question - here in Ohio (and probably most of everywhere), we follow NFHS rules along with small changes observed each year instituted by the OHSAA.

My question is: where does one find all of those base rules of football that are observed but not described in the NFHS rule book?

This rule book doesn't cover EVERY rule in football, in a sense that someone who wanted to learn EVERY rule would need a resource much broader in scope. Does such a resource exist? There has to be SOMETHING that officials, coaches, etc. would refer to when topics aren't covered in the NFHS rule book.
 
howie1095 said:
General Question - here in Ohio (and probably most of everywhere), we follow NFHS rules along with small changes observed each year instituted by the OHSAA.

My question is: where does one find all of those base rules of football that are observed but not described in the NFHS rule book?

This rule book doesn't cover EVERY rule in football, in a sense that someone who wanted to learn EVERY rule would need a resource much broader in scope. Does such a resource exist? There has to be SOMETHING that officials, coaches, etc. would refer to when topics aren't covered in the NFHS rule book.
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All the rules are in the NFHS rule book. Can you give an example of something that might not be covered?
 
Actually found one just be looking again, lol. Thanks.

But here's one: Rule 7-2-7 describes what sounds like a lineman going in motion:

"...the player in motion shall be at least 5 yards behind his line of scrimmage at the snap if he started from any position not clearlybehind the line and did not establish himself as a back by stopping for at least one full second while no part of his body is breaking the vertical plane through the waistline of his nearest teammate who is on the line of scrimmage."

Does that mean a team could realistically line up with 8 on the line and have one drop and go in motion, as long as that player was at least 5 yards behind the LOS when the ball was snapped?
 
howie1095 said:
General Question - here in Ohio (and probably most of everywhere), we follow NFHS rules along with small changes observed each year instituted by the OHSAA.

My question is: where does one find all of those base rules of football that are observed but not described in the NFHS rule book?

This rule book doesn't cover EVERY rule in football, in a sense that someone who wanted to learn EVERY rule would need a resource much broader in scope. Does such a resource exist? There has to be SOMETHING that officials, coaches, etc. would refer to when topics aren't covered in the NFHS rule book.
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First off, the OHSAA does not institue their own rules. They may interpret a rule differently than the NFHS (a problem nationally), but the rules used are from the NFHS.

As far as a resources used by officials. There is no one book or resource that will cover each and every situation that has or possibily will arise during a contest. It's impossible to document each and every unusual event. We have our rule books, case books, official's manuals, official's handbooks, OHSAA Gold Book to refer to. We also attend a number of rule interpretation meetings annually as part of our contimuing education for officials.

An official must have a comprehensive understanding of all 10 rules (including the sections and articles for each) that are in the book. It's not uncommon to have to combine multiple rules to properly ajudicate a situation. That skill does not just magically appear..... it takes time and experience to get to the level needed to become a good official.
 
howie1095 said:
Actually found one just be looking again, lol. Thanks.

But here's one: Rule 7-2-7 describes what sounds like a lineman going in motion:

"...the player in motion shall be at least 5 yards behind his line of scrimmage at the snap if he started from any position not clearlybehind the line and did not establish himself as a back by stopping for at least one full second while no part of his body is breaking the vertical plane through the waistline of his nearest teammate who is on the line of scrimmage."

Does that mean a team could realistically line up with 8 on the line and have one drop and go in motion, as long as that player was at least 5 yards behind the LOS when the ball was snapped?
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Yes it does.....

However, if that player started between his snapper and another lineman on the end of the line and had his hand on or near the ground..... he commits a false start once he moves that hand before the ball is snapped.
 
AllSports12 said:
Yes it does.....

However, if that player started between his snapper and another lineman on the end of the line and had his hand on or near the ground..... he commits a false start once he moves that hand before the ball is snapped.
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But if he DOESN'T put his hand down, he would be free to back up and go in motion (as long as he was 5 yards deep at the snap of the ball)?
 
howie1095 said:
But if he DOESN'T put his hand down, he would be free to back up and go in motion (as long as he was 5 yards deep at the snap of the ball)?
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Yes, as long as the movement to back up doesn't simulate the action that occurs with a snap. The offense also still needs to have 5 players numbered 50-79 on the line..... (an example of multiple rules involved with a single act)

I have personally seen this in my career (way too long) exactly 0 times. Have seen it on video once.
 
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Team A punts and an A player touches the ball at the one and then possesses ball as he falls into end zone. Is the spot for B at the 1 or touchback and start at 20?
 
Last night our team was punting on 4th and 20. Defensive player ran into the punter and roughing the kicker was called. They moved the ball 20 yards forward to the 1st down marker and gave our team the 1st down. I assumed it should have been 15 yards and an automatic 1st down.
 
shadow1479 said:
Team A punts and an A player touches the ball at the one and then possesses ball as he falls into end zone. Is the spot for B at the 1 or touchback and start at 20?
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Where A touched the punt is the spot of "first touching" and B could take the ball there or take the result of the play.

If A possessed the ball before it broke the goal line plane the play ended with possession. Falling into the endzone after gaining possession means nothing. The play was already over.

If the ball bounced and broke the plane the result of the play is a touchback. If A possessed the ball after it reached the endzone it doesn't matter, The play was already over.
 
SPD7171 said:
Last night our team was punting on 4th and 20. Defensive player ran into the punter and roughing the kicker was called. They moved the ball 20 yards forward to the 1st down marker and gave our team the 1st down. I assumed it should have been 15 yards and an automatic 1st down.
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Can't comment on what happened in your game but the penalty for roughing the kicker is enforced 15yds from the previous spot along with an automatic first down.
 
chs1971 said:
Where A touched the punt is the spot of "first touching" and B could take the ball there or take the result of the play.

If A possessed the ball before it broke the goal line plane the play ended with possession. Falling into the endzone after gaining possession means nothing. The play was already over.

If the ball bounced and broke the plane the result of the play is a touchback. If A possessed the ball after it reached the endzone it doesn't matter, The play was already over.
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If the A player was in the end zone when he touched the ball that my have not crossed the end zone does that matter?
 
If or more K players are offsides on the kickoff, is the play blown dead immediately or is it allowed to play itself out so to speak and then R can choose whether or not to accept based on the results of the return?
 
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Ericles said:
If or more K players are offsides on the kickoff, is the play blown dead immediately or is it allowed to play itself out so to speak and then R can choose whether or not to accept based on the results of the return?
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The ball is blown dead immediately
 
Offensive back or slot receiver takes a reverse lateral from an rhen passes downfield.
Is he then given same protection as about when he passes?
Can a defensive player be called for roughing the passer even though he was not the qq?
I bet a guy he is protected, l’m I CORRECT?

Thanks
 
hsfan60 said:
Offensive back or slot receiver takes a reverse lateral from an rhen passes downfield.
Is he then given same protection as about when he passes?
Can a defensive player be called for roughing the passer even though he was not the qq?
I bet a guy he is protected, l’m I CORRECT?

Thanks
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Yes, the player is protected by rule.


Rule 2-32 - Player Designations

Art 11. - "A passer is a player who throws a legal forward pass. He continues to be a passer until the legalforward pass ends or until he moves to participate in the play"
 
If contact is made between a defender with a receiver when the ball is in the air, but thrown to the other side of the field what would the infraction be? For example, right corner knocks a receiver off his route when the are 15 yards down field. Ball is in the air but thrown to the opposite side of the field.
 
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