2021-2022 Elder Basketball

JElder said:
Every Coach in our area including Price, CK, Ryan Flemming, Goedde, Nozka are at gyms where 7th and 8th grade kids are playing. Also players transfer all the time. It doesn't mean they were recruited there. It literally happens everywhere.
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I’ve seen the kid play a few times as they played right after our game. The games I’ve seen there had to have been 10 high school coaches there. Saw coaches from several GCLS and GCLN schools the last time they played. I assume Elder isn’t a factor for him?
 
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Omar said:
Bc they’re not allowed to do that and you just called him a grade school recruiter, so you verified what I said. That’s what bothers me, everyone is scared to say the quiet part out loud bc they don’t want to upset Moe fans. Who gives a F? All that said, I hope Williams is trying to get him to Elder. They could be a solid inside out duo.

The only thing you’ve said in the recent past that makes sense is going after Fleming’s son to replace JS. You’ve got that right.
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Recruiting is absolutely going on everywhere. I’ve seen it with my own eyes even down on the reserve level for football. Honestly who is going to “enforce” all these rules when nearly everyone is doing it? IMO it’s not even a big deal.
 
Don Flamenco said:
Recruiting is absolutely going on everywhere. I’ve seen it with my own eyes even down on the reserve level for football. Honestly who is going to “enforce” all these rules when nearly everyone is doing it? IMO it’s not even a big deal.
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Get proof and turn it into the OHSAA. Like I said, that’s why this “brotherhood” is bogus. If you can burn the other schools, do it.
 
Omar said:
Get proof and turn it into the OHSAA. Like I said, that’s why this “brotherhood” is bogus. If you can burn the other schools, do it.
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OHSAA won’t do anything if everyone is doing it. They should just legalize it IMO. They’d need to spend 24/7 on this stuff just to get a hold of it in the Cincy area. It’s just the nature of the beast these days.
 
Don Flamenco said:
I’ve seen the kid play a few times as they played right after our game. The games I’ve seen there had to have been 10 high school coaches there. Saw coaches from X, LaSalle and Moeller the last time he played. I assume Elder isn’t a factor for him?
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Did this kid play for Lourdes last yr? I’m not very plugged into the Grade School scene but the only names I heard mentioned were Walters and Williams.

If the kid is truly a national level prospect, I’d suspect Oak Hill and Montverde will be looking at him too.

If Elder coaches aren’t going to the games, they need anyone who might’ve played with him at Lourdes talking to him.
 
Don Flamenco said:
OHSAA won’t do anything if everyone is doing it. They should just legalize it IMO. They’d need to spend 24/7 on this stuff just to get a hold of it in the Cincy area. It’s just the nature of the beast these days.
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Moeller got caught breaking the rules in football a few yrs ago. I’m not being snarky, any proof you can get, turn it into the OHSAA. “Brothers” don’t try to break the rules to get a competitive advantage.

And the problem with legalizing recruiting is it really makes a private v public split necessary and that would suck. D1 would literally be the GCL, Eds, Ignatius and Hoban. That’s it.
 
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Omar said:
Did this kid play for Lourdes last yr? I’m not very plugged into the Grade School scene but the only names I heard mentioned were Walters and Williams.

If the kid is truly a national level prospect, I’d suspect Oak Hill and Montverde will be looking at him too.

If Elder coaches aren’t going to the games, they need anyone who might’ve played with him at Lourdes talking to him.
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I don’t know. I didn’t see Lourdes play last year. It was just a coincidence that I saw them play this year because we played a few times before they did. I have no idea what kind of level of prospect he is but he’s definitely getting interest from high school’s.
 
Omar said:
Moeller got caught breaking the rules in football a few yrs ago. I’m not being snarky, any proof you can get, turn it into the OHSAA. “Brothers” don’t try to break the rules to get a competitive advantage.
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I don’t view Moeller or anyone in the GCL as “brothers”. I just know nearly everyone does it these days. It’s really become the norm. Like I said they should just legalize all of it IMO.
 
Don Flamenco said:
I don’t view Moeller or anyone in the GCL as “brothers”. I just know nearly everyone does it these days. It’s really become the norm. Like I said they should just legalize all of it IMO.
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Bc it’s not a brotherhood. All that talk is so cringey and out of touch with reality.
 
Omar said:
If the kid is truly a national level prospect, I’d suspect Oak Hill and Montverde will be looking at him too.
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Who is the last basketball player in the area to go to an academy like that? Even guys like McMillan and Griffith, who are pretty widely recruited, didn't choose that route. Those Oak Hill and Montverde studs are going to the Blue Chips and the area doesn't produce that kind of talent in basketball like football.

I doubt this 8th grader is in that league otherwise he'd be very widely known. Rayvon was highly touted with high name recognition in 6th or 7th grade. Rayvon Griffith would have averaged 60 points in the grade school Catholic leagues.
 
dennis d said:
McMillian actually went to a prep school in Arizona i believe over the summer and fall before transferring back and Holt from turpin a few years back reclassified and went to a prep school in Virginia i believe and McKrakken From Moe went to a prep school in NC last year.
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True - but none of those schools were in the category of Montverde or Oak Hill. McMillan and Griffith have NBA potential - Holt and McKracken, although good players, will never sniff the NBA level, much less high level D1. Not sure McKracken went to a prep school, I think he just moved out of town with his family and went to a normal high school his senior year, but I may be wrong.

I'm just saying that if this kid is good enough to go to Oak Hill and is playing in the westside Catholic league, people would have heard about him because he'd be unstoppable. Kids that good don't play in the Catholic grade school leagues. That doesn't mean any of the local high schools wouldn't be thrilled to get him.
 
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tonight is both a revenge game and trap game for the panthers and with Keller still out I think Busam needs to have another stellar game. he has been the most underappreciated player on the team. JJ Busam keep it up.
 
dennis d said:
tonight is both a revenge game and trap game for the panthers and with Keller still out I think Busam needs to have another stellar game. he has been the most underappreciated player on the team. JJ Busam keep it up.
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Turpin only lost by 3 to Walnut Hills and WH is very good. This won’t be an easy game at all.
 
dennis d said:
tonight is both a revenge game and trap game for the panthers and with Keller still out I think Busam needs to have another stellar game. he has been the most underappreciated player on the team. JJ Busam keep it up.
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while busam's performance may be crucial, I still stand by my previous take that Kirch will serve as both the x factor and the deciding factor in this contest. His play can either elevate this team to a new level or render them relatively mediocre. We'll see soon enough if Jack Kirch is up to the task tonight.
 
NotSalSalamone said:
while busam's performance may be crucial, I still stand by my previous take that Kirch will serve as both the x factor and the deciding factor in this contest. His play can either elevate this team to a new level or render them relatively mediocre. We'll see soon enough if Jack Kirch is up to the task tonight.
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I know you guys are just playing around during school hours, but in all honesty I think Browne coming along the past few games has really helped the Panthers. In the tournament down in Ashland, he had a couple 8 and 10 games. Had another vs. Moeller. He's just a matchup problem because of his size since he can step out and hit 3s and if he gets a smaller defender he can finish inside. Having Kirch back, looking fully healthy is also helping the depth of the frontcourt.
 
adselder09 said:
I know you guys are just playing around during school hours, but in all honesty I think Browne coming along the past few games has really helped the Panthers. In the tournament down in Ashland, he had a couple 8 and 10 games. Had another vs. Moeller. He's just a matchup problem because of his size since he can step out and hit 3s and if he gets a smaller defender he can finish inside. Having Kirch back, looking fully healthy is also helping the depth of the frontcourt.
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I for one am not messing around during school hours (as I am not in school Im an adult). I joined this chat forum to have intellectual basketball conversations. And while we are on the topic of Kirch, Ive heard recently that he injured his knee during practice this week, and wont even be playing against Turpin. Without going into detail, Ive heard the injury could be rather serious...
 
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Don Flamenco said:
I’ve seen the kid play a few times as they played right after our game. The games I’ve seen there had to have been 10 high school coaches there. Saw coaches from several GCLS and GCLN schools the last time they played. I assume Elder isn’t a factor for him?
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Were they all at the same game? Just curious. I was told if the Catholic high school hosts the game/tournament, other coaches cannot be there. If the game/tournament is at a grade school, fair game for anyone. It’s why the Catholic high schools volunteer their gym to host various games; most host a tournament as well.
 
adselder09 said:
I know you guys are just playing around during school hours, but in all honesty I think Browne coming along the past few games has really helped the Panthers. In the tournament down in Ashland, he had a couple 8 and 10 games. Had another vs. Moeller. He's just a matchup problem because of his size since he can step out and hit 3s and if he gets a smaller defender he can finish inside. Having Kirch back, looking fully healthy is also helping the depth of the frontcourt.
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NotSalSalamone said:
I for one am not messing around during school hours (as I am not in school Im an adult). I joined this chat forum to have intellectual basketball conversations. And while we are on the topic of Kirch, Ive heard recently that he injured his knee during practice this week, and wont even be playing against Turpin. Without going into detail, Ive heard the injury could be rather serious...
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i hear he wasn't playing but isn't serious and should be 100 for lasalle friday but once again proving my point Busam is going to have to have a big game to win and i believe he can do it
 
boothmark77 said:
Were they all at the same game? Just curious. I was told if the Catholic high school hosts the game/tournament, other coaches cannot be there. If the game/tournament is at a grade school, fair game for anyone. It’s why the Catholic high schools volunteer their gym to host various games; most host a tournament as well.
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stop arguing about some gradeschool kid nobody cares
 
Omar said:
You keep using “recruiting.” What you should say is marketing. If coaches are allowed to go to games as observers, then Elder is behind the 8 ball and needs to step up. I understand, they’re understaffed, but if that’s the case JS, needs to be making appearances.

Im all for doing the absolute most within the rules to get this kid to Elder. I’m not for making promises to parents or offering reduced tuition.
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If Elder doesn't offer reduced tuition or scholarship help then these kids will go elsewhere. That's the bottom line. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. You continuously talk bout how Elder should be "marketing" kids from areas outside their normal demographics. If a kid is really talented such as Duncan at Teresa and Sir from Lourdes they are going to go to a school that is going to pay for their education. The question is does Elder want to do that for athletically gifted kids or not...
 
Omar said:
Did this kid play for Lourdes last yr? I’m not very plugged into the Grade School scene but the only names I heard mentioned were Walters and Williams.

If the kid is truly a national level prospect, I’d suspect Oak Hill and Montverde will be looking at him too.

If Elder coaches aren’t going to the games, they need anyone who might’ve played with him at Lourdes talking to him.
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He was not at Lourdes last year. You always debate from one extreme to another. Why are you even bringing schools like Oak Hill into the conversation? Kids that go to those schools generally play a year or two of high school ball and then transfer to an Oak Hill. Nobody said anything about him being a National level prospect. I clearly said that if he gets to 6'10 or so I could see him being big time D1.
 
OnTheLine85 said:
True - but none of those schools were in the category of Montverde or Oak Hill. McMillan and Griffith have NBA potential - Holt and McKracken, although good players, will never sniff the NBA level, much less high level D1. Not sure McKracken went to a prep school, I think he just moved out of town with his family and went to a normal high school his senior year, but I may be wrong.

I'm just saying that if this kid is good enough to go to Oak Hill and is playing in the westside Catholic league, people would have heard about him because he'd be unstoppable. Kids that good don't play in the Catholic grade school leagues. That doesn't mean any of the local high schools wouldn't be thrilled to get him.
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Bazely and Griffith and other from this area were good enough to go the big time prep school route. This area produces a lot of big time talent. You just hear about football more because of all the schollys that are offered. Basketball gets like 12 total.
 
baylor just won the national title with a kid from winton woods i think? point guard for louisville last year went to aiken?

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JElder said:
He was not at Lourdes last year. You always debate from one extreme to another. Why are you even bringing schools like Oak Hill into the conversation? Kids that go to those schools generally play a year or two of high school ball and then transfer to an Oak Hill. Nobody said anything about him being a National level prospect. I clearly said that if he gets to 6'10 or so I could see him being big time D1.
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Big time D1 to me means Duke, UNC, UK, Kansas,etc. They pull kids from Oak Hill all the time.
 
jtk said:
baylor just won the national title with a kid from winton woods i think? point guard for louisville last year went to aiken?

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Macio Teague from Walnut Hills. He goes to my gym, nice guy.
 
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