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i just know better than to go into some areas of Franklin County. and yes you bet i'm a CCW carrier. And i didn't make up statistics i just told the rest of the story as others have.
Franklin County scares you? Even the worst areas?

I think we're done talking because you're not being serious. I've been to Compton. I've been to Kensington.

Across the street from North College Hill's stadium. Scary:
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Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia:

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I'll take North College Hill any day.
 

Data completeness and quality


In order to fulfill its responsibilities in connection with the UCR Program, the FBI edits and reviews individual agency reports for both completeness and quality. Members of the national program’s staff contact the state UCR Program in connection with crime-reporting matters and, as necessary, when approved by the state, individual contributors. Upon request, staff members conduct training programs within the state on law enforcement record-keeping and crime-reporting procedures. Following audit standards established by the federal government, the FBI conducts an audit of each state’s UCR data collection procedures once every 3 years. Should circumstances develop whereby the state program does not comply with the aforementioned requirements, the national program may institute a direct collection of data from law enforcement agencies within the state.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/methodology
 
And my link was from 2019. Yours is a scare piece about how some departments haven't upgraded to the newest protocol but they're still collecting data. The FBI just doesn't simply have it for the years of the switch over to the new system.

You think crime didn't go down from the 70s to the 2010s?
 
And my link was from 2019. Yours is a scare piece about how some departments haven't upgraded to the newest protocol but they're still collecting data. The FBI just doesn't simply have it for the years of the switch over to the new system.

You think crime didn't go down from the 70s to the 2010s?
It definitely did, but the figures we get today are not completely accurate.
 
It definitely did, but the figures we get today are not completely accurate.
And I would never trust year-over-year changes in numbers, regardless the years, to prove anything. Decade long trends work best to determine if crime is going up or down.
 
And I would never trust year-over-year changes in numbers, regardless the years, to prove anything. Decade long trends work best to determine if crime is going up or down.
Agreed, but that doesn’t change the issue that it’s going to take some time to know where the crime rates of the last few years will land. That’s all. Much like yourself, I don’t live in fear of some depressed areas like many do. I simply use common sense and remain aware of my surroundings. Random violence can happen anywhere, so no sense worrying about it.
 
Agreed, but that doesn’t change the issue that it’s going to take some time to know where the crime rates of the last few years will land. That’s all. Much like yourself, I don’t live in fear of some depressed areas like many do. I simply use common sense and remain aware of my surroundings. Random violence can happen anywhere, so no sense worrying about it.
Agreed as well. Anywhere at night on foot can be dangerous. A false sense of security by being in a 'nice neighborhood' is exactly what makes you susceptible to crime. Conversely, being on edge constantly that the 'bad area' is going to result in you becoming a victim means you have to look at everyone there as a perpetrator of crime.
 
For as horrible as it sounds today, crime is actually down considerably since the 80s. We just hear about every single incident now. It's news. Big news. We're a country of over 300 million people and if one nutcase opens fire near a school, a stadium, a mall, etc it will be national news a lot of times. If not at least local/regional news.

We used to offhandedly refer to crime as 'don't become a statistic' because that's the only way anyone would ever note what happened to you.

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And that's just since the 90s. We hear about it more because there's so much less for the news to report on. We used to have just the nightly news give you the recap of the biggest events happening that day. Now you have the 24-hr news channels having to fill 24 hours with 'news' that has devolved into opinion pieces and commentary shows parading around as news.

Several factors made crime drop. If you subscribe to the Freakonomics explanation, abortion lowered crime considerably after Roe v. Wade. But just more recently technology has greatly reduced the ability to commit crime. Security cameras everywhere. Ring cameras. All of that is modern. Homes didn't have cameras in the 80s. Lighting. Lighting has been a huge increase in eliminating crime. Businesses leave their lights on all night now. Homes now powering LED or Halogen bulbs for far cheaper than incandescent and fluorescent means more lights on which means, paired with cameras, far less ability to get away with crime. Both property and injurious crime.

And weird, the value of thing has dropped. A $1000 smart phone that's stolen is not going to fetch a price because it can be tracked. The value would be overseas. Where the long arm of the law won't reach. Nor would it care. Your valuable TV, would be what, $20 on the street? I have a 70" TV in my living room I paid less than $400. Someone is going to break in and try to run off with it WHILE NOT DAMAGING IT? You think that's an option?

Everyone with a smart phone has greatly shone a light on crime and the perpetrators of crime. And they're dumb enough to broadcast their crimes for easy adjudication. See the Chase "money glitch" as an example of idiots reporting themselves.
A very interesting and informative post. That’s a deep dig into the past, present and what we can predict in the future. I used to think how different the world is today than when I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s. Your post just reminded me that it’s a fiffent world than just a few years ago. Seems like everyday new technologies pop up and dramatically change the world we’re living in. And a lot of those technologies bring with them a list of dangers if in the wrong hands and a nefarious thinking person. Personally I think at the end of the day new technology comes at a price for our young people. I think us boomers were healthier, less stressed and able to have a childhood that kept us outdoors, moving from 8 am till the streetlights came on. Either in the woods, on our bicycles, or the ball fields etc. Too many kids today are simply holding a joystick, telephone or some electronic device to entertain themselves. My diatribe for the day. 😂
 

Data completeness and quality


In order to fulfill its responsibilities in connection with the UCR Program, the FBI edits and reviews individual agency reports for both completeness and quality. Members of the national program’s staff contact the state UCR Program in connection with crime-reporting matters and, as necessary, when approved by the state, individual contributors. Upon request, staff members conduct training programs within the state on law enforcement record-keeping and crime-reporting procedures. Following audit standards established by the federal government, the FBI conducts an audit of each state’s UCR data collection procedures once every 3 years. Should circumstances develop whereby the state program does not comply with the aforementioned requirements, the national program may institute a direct collection of data from law enforcement agencies within the state.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/methodology
Those woke folks arent asking for data.
 
A very interesting and informative post. That’s a deep dig into the past, present and what we can predict in the future. I used to think how different the world is today than when I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s. Your post just reminded me that it’s a fiffent world than just a few years ago. Seems like everyday new technologies pop up and dramatically change the world we’re living in. And a lot of those technologies bring with them a list of dangers if in the wrong hands and a nefarious thinking person. Personally I think at the end of the day new technology comes at a price for our young people. I think us boomers were healthier, less stressed and able to have a childhood that kept us outdoors, moving from 8 am till the streetlights came on. Either in the woods, on our bicycles, or the ball fields etc. Too many kids today are simply holding a joystick, telephone or some electronic device to entertain themselves. My diatribe for the day. 😂
I'm not to your age, but I definitely remember spending all day in the summer outside. No supervision. Just running around the backyard. Going down the road to the deep woods, a swamp nearby, or the two bridges over the creek that ran by my house. Today, I would be called into CPS if I let my daughter, outside by herself for more than a minute. There's no kids in the neighborhood for her to play with, and honestly she wouldn't come into contact with them because she doesn't roam freely the way us feral children did in the 80s and early 90s did.

She does go to parks, that I take her to, and socializes and has fun. But it's different. Everything is structured and organized for kids today. They can't just be kids and create their own fun themselves without being told what to do and when to do it.

My daughter is involved with so many after school activities, I wonder sometimes when she ever has time to do anything just because she wants and when she wants to.
 
Correct. Gun shots at a high school football game tend to scare people. Rightfully so. But keep pushing the narrative that its safe.
And neither were at a game. One was nearby. The other was pregame.

I've yet to see an actual discharge AT a football game. Even the one in Jeannette, Pennsylvania a few years ago was outside the exit when a fight broke out.
 
And neither were at a game. One was nearby. The other was pregame.

I've yet to see an actual discharge AT a football game. Even the one in Jeannette, Pennsylvania a few years ago was outside the exit when a fight broke out.
In the case of the North College Hill incident no arrest were made. Another example of a crime being committed, but no arrest made so statistically no violent crime would be documented or used for "crime data".
 
In the case of the North College Hill incident no arrest were made. Another example of a crime being committed, but no arrest made so statistically no violent crime would be documented or used for "crime data".
The data is based on reports, not arrests. This incident would be in the dataset.
 
In the case of the North College Hill incident no arrest were made. Another example of a crime being committed, but no arrest made so statistically no violent crime would be documented or used for "crime data".
That is not how that works at all. If a report is written up, then it's reported. That's how that works.
 
Franklin County scares you? Even the worst areas?

I think we're done talking because you're not being serious. I've been to Compton. I've been to Kensington.

Across the street from North College Hill's stadium. Scary:
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Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia:

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I'll take North College Hill any day.
When I was a kid in NCH, Lee May of the Cincinnati Reds lived in that complex.
 
I stand corrected. I personally would never attend a game at NCH or any CPS school. Call it fear if you want, I call it common sense.
Odds are nothing will happen to you. Overwhelmingly, nothing will happen to you. The thing is, most crime--violent or otherwise, is targeted for a specific reason on a specific person. Crimes of opportunity are much more rare.
 
I'm not to your age, but I definitely remember spending all day in the summer outside. No supervision. Just running around the backyard. Going down the road to the deep woods, a swamp nearby, or the two bridges over the creek that ran by my house. Today, I would be called into CPS if I let my daughter, outside by herself for more than a minute. There's no kids in the neighborhood for her to play with, and honestly she wouldn't come into contact with them because she doesn't roam freely the way us feral children did in the 80s and early 90s did.

She does go to parks, that I take her to, and socializes and has fun. But it's different. Everything is structured and organized for kids today. They can't just be kids and create their own fun themselves without being told what to do and when to do it.

My daughter is involved with so many after school activities, I wonder sometimes when she ever has time to do anything just because she wants and when she wants to.
Sky, Things have flipped and done a 360. Back then if you stayed in the house all day, kids and their parents were looked down on. Today, you can’t turn your back for a minute. I’m glad I was raised where I was and in those times. I feel like today’s kids are missing out on what we had. That said….. I believe in and have faith that our younger generations are going to fix many of the things our older generations screwed up.
 
Syk, its one thing to have been to Kennsington it's another to actually get out of your car. Been to the worst side of Detroit and Chicago, but only driving through.
 
Odds are nothing will happen to you. Overwhelmingly, nothing will happen to you. The thing is, most crime--violent or otherwise, is targeted for a specific reason on a specific person. Crimes of opportunity are much more rare.
Miami Valley Christian Academy cancels game @ NCH tomorrow. Just being scared, right?
 
Miami Valley Christian Academy cancels game @ NCH tomorrow. Just being scared, right?
Exactly. Now you're understanding. You think the perpetrator is gonna wait around to shoot at someone else also not at the football game during the next football game? Or worse, a copycat is going to do it?
 
Exactly. Now you're understanding. You think the perpetrator is gonna wait around to shoot at someone else also not at the football game during the next football game? Or worse, a copycat is going to do it?
I can't predict the behavior of gun toting luntics. Nobody can, hence why MVCA cancelled.
 
Lived in Chicago for 15 years. Worked in the southside neighborhoods that are always in the news. Nobody cared when a member of one gang shot and killed a member of another gang. When those stray bullets killed kids, construction workers and mail carrier, people paid attention.

I understand the "fear" of going there even if the stadium wasn't the target or area of the shooting. If it is anywhere near it, then you are a potential accidental target. Unless you have to be there, why go?
 
IMO yes it’s very understandable why they cancelled, but was the option to play on Saturday afternoon.

Was there any other option of playing at MVCA field.

There could have been a resolution for both teams to play IF MVC REALLY wanted too.

They are using this shooting to their advantage and now are playing another team Friday.
They just simply didn’t want to play NCH.
 
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