Hey Dems - What is Your Take on Blexit?

Under the "Pubs" black unemployment was at an all-time low prior to the "pandemic." That is much more than what has been done under the Dims.
You realize it had been going down steadily for longer than The last few years right ? Most realize Trump has been no savior and they don’t think he’s done things specifically for them . Crisis always has a way of revealing your true character . Trump Displayed very low character before this pandemic , but now ? He’s Been revealed and it isn’t pretty to anyone besides Trumpiphants
 
Perception is more important than reality. There's going to have to be a more palpable answer as a party than saying that such things are overblown in the media or cherry picked. Until that occurs Republicans are going to make limited inroads and will be finishing a distant second to Dems with blacks, and I'd argue that's what's overwhelmingly likely to happen as the majority of Republicans/conservatives view society as largely being "equal" in terms of race and see those alleged issues and hypocrisies as being fabrications.
Yeah. And, rightly or wrongly, the more salient topics of racial injustice (e.g. unarmed black men being killed at the hands of police officers and vigilantes, with seemingly no consequence) have become increasingly threaded into sports and entertainment the past 5-6 years as these are two arenas where there is incredible representation of influential black Americans, who choose to bring awareness to these issues. And Republican/conservative commentators do a pretty crappy job when these topics are broached. Laura Ingraham telling LeBron James to "shut up and dribble" was pretty dumb, unpopular and basically did nothing to challenge pre-existing notions most Americans had on the Republican party and its racial/social politics of the past 15 years.

The other issue with appeal to black voters is the dearth of visible black conservatives today. Candace Owens' track record as a conservative (let alone a politically active person) is pretty unreliable: she says she did not vote in either the 2012 or 2016 presidential elections(she would've been of age to vote in both.) Larry Elder may be the most established black conservative voice in American commentary. Allen West was at one point pretty significant but I'm not sure if he's still active(???) After that, it becomes less-defined. Omarosa stopped supporting Donald Trump. Michael Steele's status as a "conservative commentator" is sort of at odds with his positions on the Trump presidency. David Clarke is no longer prominent. The two recent presidential candidates befitting "black conservative" hold very little stature in today's politics, Herman Cain and Ben Carson. And to use an Ohio example, Ken Blackwell basically packed in his political ambitions after his failed 2006 gubernatorial run. The most promising person within the Republican Party to possibly make a push in courting African-American voters in the next 5-9 years is Sen. Tim Scott (who is a good person and good politician.) Past that, there's nothing in the cupboard.
 
Trump also has his lowest net approval rating since late 2017 according to the most recent Rasmussen poll . ( today )
 
Yeah. And, rightly or wrongly, the more salient topics of racial injustice (e.g. unarmed black men being killed at the hands of police officers and vigilantes, with seemingly no consequence) have become increasingly threaded into sports and entertainment the past 5-6 years as these are two arenas where there is incredible representation of influential black Americans, who choose to bring awareness to these issues. And Republican/conservative commentators do a pretty crappy job when these topics are broached. Laura Ingraham telling LeBron James to "shut up and dribble" was pretty dumb, unpopular and basically did nothing to challenge pre-existing notions most Americans had on the Republican party and its racial/social politics of the past 15 years.

The other issue with appeal to black voters is the dearth of visible black conservatives today. Candace Owens' track record as a conservative (let alone a politically active person) is pretty unreliable: she says she did not vote in either the 2012 or 2016 presidential elections(she would've been of age to vote in both.) Larry Elder may be the most established black conservative voice in American commentary. Allen West was at one point pretty significant but I'm not sure if he's still active(???) After that, it becomes less-defined. Omarosa stopped supporting Donald Trump. Michael Steele's status as a "conservative commentator" is sort of at odds with his positions on the Trump presidency. David Clarke is no longer prominent. The two recent presidential candidates befitting "black conservative" hold very little stature in today's politics, Herman Cain and Ben Carson. And to use an Ohio example, Ken Blackwell basically packed in his political ambitions after his failed 2006 gubernatorial run. The most promising person within the Republican Party to possibly make a push in courting African-American voters in the next 5-9 years is Sen. Tim Scott (who is a good person and good politician.) Past that, there's nothing in the cupboard.
Because black conservatives are dismissed as uncle Tom...or as Biden put it they aren't considered black. It's the same crap conservative women get.
 
Perception is more important than reality. There's going to have to be a more palpable answer as a party than saying that such things are overblown in the media or cherry picked. Until that occurs Republicans are going to make limited inroads and will be finishing a distant second to Dems with blacks, and I'd argue that's what's overwhelmingly likely to happen as the majority of Republicans/conservatives view society as largely being "equal" in terms of race and see those alleged issues and hypocrisies as being fabrications.
So the answer is to enable the victimhood delusion
 
Because black conservatives are dismissed as uncle Tom...or as Biden put it they aren't considered black. It's the same crap conservative women get.
That's not what Biden said. As for Uncle Tom... uh?? Not seeing how that has anything to do with the fact that the GOP isn't a party with strong black relations.
 
That's not what Biden said. As for Uncle Tom... uh?? Not seeing how that has anything to do with the fact that the GOP isn't a party with strong black relations.
Because black conservatives are dismissed by the media so of course you don't hear anything about them.

Biden said essentially if you don't vote for me you ain't black... i.e if you vote for the Republican you aren't black...you are a traitor to your race.
 
Because black conservatives are dismissed by the media so of course you don't hear anything about them.

Biden said essentially if you don't vote for me you ain't black... i.e if you vote for the Republican you aren't black...you are a traitor to your race.
"You are a traitor to your race" don't stretch yourself too hard on that one.

No, black conservatives are not "dismissed by the media." Michael Steele is on talk shows all the time (although, as I said earlier, since he's not advocating for Donald Trump it may be debatable to what standard he would be considered "conservative.) Diamond and Silk had a platform on a prominent conservative media outlet, Fox News, and were dismissed from it for a reason. In sports media, Jason Whitlock is not "dismissed by the media" - he's just not a popular figure on sports fans, period.
 
"You are a traitor to your race" don't stretch yourself too hard on that one.

No, black conservatives are not "dismissed by the media." Michael Steele is on talk shows all the time (although, as I said earlier, since he's not advocating for Donald Trump it may be debatable to what standard he would be considered "conservative.) Diamond and Silk had a platform on a prominent conservative media outlet, Fox News, and were dismissed from it for a reason. In sports media, Jason Whitlock is not "dismissed by the media" - he's just not a popular figure on sports fans, period.
That's what the man inferred...not my problem.

Yes Fox works with them...CNN, MSNBC, the networks etc are appalled that a black person would endorse a conservative viewpoint. They are dismissed as Uncle Toms just as conservative women are dismissed as traitors to their gender.
 
That's what the man inferred...not my problem.

Yes Fox works with them...CNN, MSNBC, the networks etc are appalled that a black person would endorse a conservative viewpoint. They are dismissed as Uncle Toms just as conservative women are dismissed as traitors to their gender.
Pretty sure that Van Jones and Michael Steele make regular appearances on CNN and MSNBC. Not sure how that constitutes “dismissal”
 
You realize it had been going down steadily for longer than The last few years right ? Most realize Trump has been no savior and they don’t think he’s done things specifically for them . Crisis always has a way of revealing your true character . Trump Displayed very low character before this pandemic , but now ? He’s Been revealed and it isn’t pretty to anyone besides Trumpiphants
You talk to many black people in Dublin? The irony is Dublin, Ireland might have a higher black population than Dublin, Ohio.
 
Pretty sure that Van Jones and Michael Steele make regular appearances on CNN and MSNBC. Not sure how that constitutes “dismissal”
Van Jones worked in the Obama administration. He's not a conservative.

Steele hasn't been conservative in a long time.
 
Van Jones worked in the Obama administration. He's not a conservative.

Steele hasn't been conservative in a long time.
Michael
Steele
is an old fashioned “Chamber of Commerce”, fiscally
conservative
Republican
. He is a man who preaches traditional morality, limited government, and is pro-life. He does
not
like what Trump is doing to the
conservative
movement and sees it as a “cult of personality”, and believes that Trumpism is short-sighted and hypocritical.
 
Michael


Steele


is an old fashioned “Chamber of Commerce”, fiscally

conservative



Republican


. He is a man who preaches traditional morality, limited government, and is pro-life. He does

not

like what Trump is doing to the

conservative

movement and sees it as a “cult of personality”, and believes that Trumpism is short-sighted and hypocritical.
What hes doing is pushing a conservative agenda. If you cant get behind that due to a silly style problem you are a fool.

Let's put it another way, what's better for those who believe conservative policy is the correct policy for America..Trump or Biden and his socialist puppet masters ?
 
Is Auntie Ruckus married to Uncle Tom?


Many American blacks constitute the most deeply brain-washed group of people on the planet. Others truly understand all that is happening around them, but they have sold their souls to the Racial "Equality" Industry and are every bit as owned as an 1840's slave. Just whores, really..... Show me the money!!!

This is an interesting read - https://www.theroot.com/countdown-to-candace-owens-auntie-ruckus-will-particip-1833889612


White guilt in 2020 is about as stupid a concept as one could find. Enough is enough. Why keep bending over unless you like it, whitey ? Identity politics is worsening our world at this point.
 
They see no reply from Trump in any of these “ incidents “ They see him basically cheering the armed protests and encouraging them . They have that right but it still stings to see the different reactions to the protests
I guess you missed the part where he called the MN police incident a travesty and that the FBI and DOJ would be investigating.

Or did you just conveniently forget to mention that?
 
You realize it had been going down steadily for longer than The last few years right ? Most realize Trump has been no savior and they don’t think he’s done things specifically for them . Crisis always has a way of revealing your true character . Trump Displayed very low character before this pandemic , but now ? He’s Been revealed and it isn’t pretty to anyone besides Trumpiphants
Obama had 8 years, half of which the Ds had complete control of Congress, to pass criminal justice reform to help the African Americans who were in jail for non-violent crimes.

Trump just actually did it. That was SPECIFICALLY for African Americans, and everyone with 2 brain cells understands this.
 
I guess you missed the part where he called the MN police incident a travesty and that the FBI and DOJ would be investigating.

Or did you just conveniently forget to mention that?



So Trump cares a lot more about minority's than Obama did and you found something to prove it . Got it . He is a prince because he really cares about people . Trump has ignored so many incidents over the years and while he did have someone write this one for him { Too clean and politically correct} I judge this idiot on his overall life , deeds words actions . You keep looking for the good . What a hero he is .




 
We apply the same criteria for you...

Me? I post on a forum . A non echo chamber member. You are equating me to a public official ? The President? Are you this obtuse? I don't know you , don't care who you9 are and what you do . You post here , I respond to some of your posts. I seem to agitate you and it makes you say even stupider chit and flail away . That is about the extent of it. So apply the criteria away my man .
 
Me? I post on a forum . A non echo chamber member. You are equating me to a public official ? The President? Are you this obtuse? I don't know you , don't care who you9 are and what you do . You post here , I respond to some of your posts. I seem to agitate you and it makes you say even stupider chit and flail away . That is about the extent of it. So apply the criteria away my man .
You don't agitate me at all. You are just like all the other snowflakes out there. I feel compelled to stomp out stupidity. You on the other hand get all riled up and expel verbal diarrhea most of the day. Whatever gets you going....my man
 
From whence do you draw your insights into the African-American community of their thoughts, desires, struggles, view of politics and motives?

Personal experiences (work, social, etc.) with "city folk", pretty much all from or living in Springfield, Dayton, Toledo and a few from Cleveland and Detroit. Probably all people between 20-50 years of age.

When the rubber hits the road, personal concerns about lack of equality before the law and/or abuse of authority trumps economics politically with this group. Until conservatives have an answer other than "don't play a victim" or "it's overblown in the media" there's not going to be any serious black exit from the Democratic party, especially in inner-city environments.
 
Despite the insightful analysis by The Doink and nwwhiteguy, the NY Post calls Candace Owens and Brexit a potential nightmare for Dems:

https://nypost.com/2019/11/06/devine-candace-owens-blexit-movement-is-democrats-worst-nightmare/

The dirty little secret about "wokeness" is its lack of diversity. It’s a movement entirely comprising of white, college-educated progressives.

"
Therein lies the problem for the Democratic Party as it lurches left. It has wedged itself between the demands of an aggressively woke left flank and the more socially conservative, more religious black community. Since the party needs 85 percent of the black vote to win power, that’s a problem with lethal political consequences."
 
Despite the insightful analysis by The Doink and nwwhiteguy, the NY Post calls Candace Owens and Brexit a potential nightmare for Dems:

https://nypost.com/2019/11/06/devine-candace-owens-blexit-movement-is-democrats-worst-nightmare/

The dirty little secret about "wokeness" is its lack of diversity. It’s a movement entirely comprising of white, college-educated progressives.

"
Therein lies the problem for the Democratic Party as it lurches left. It has wedged itself between the demands of an aggressively woke left flank and the more socially conservative, more religious black community. Since the party needs 85 percent of the black vote to win power, that’s a problem with lethal political consequences."
15% would equate to an electoral landslide.
 
Lol nwwhiteguy. I'm on the same side as most of you rubes on most issues, but you probably need to get out of your rural or if you're Harry suburban homogeneous enclave and see the world a bit more.

That is far and away the biggest problem with all of the riot/protest stuff and hot take reactions to it. America is a singular country that has far more realities or experiences than in other major countries due to there being so much more diversity, of all kinds, and a whole lot of people have a very limited frame of reference. It should be no wonder there's so much tension and so many pissed off people.
 
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