GWOC 2023-2024
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catscatscats
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Wow so Boro doesn’t score the entire 4th quarter
ELKSONE
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They were up on Moeller by 9 in the first half and were out coached and out played during the 2nd.
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Moeller turned up the defensive heat the last 15 minutes of the game and outscored the Panthers 29-6 the rest of the way. Springboro lack of depth and literally running on empty the last quarter and a half. GBM
Dayride
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Did he try to make adjustments in the second half?
ELKSONE
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Idk, if they did, it didn't work.
DonJuanDeMarco
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I think Moller is just better than Springboro. I'm not sure what coaching moves could've been made.
Agree with this, only one kid on the Springboro roster looked like he belonged on the same court as Moeller. Nothing Bales could do but hope Yates kept it going.
sportsguy17
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Elksone; have you ever coached before? There is no way anyone who has ever coached HS basketball can think that they reason they lost is because they were "outcoached". They were defitnely outplayed but for Boro to be in the game, they had a great gameplan but sometimes it does not last or a team like the #1 Team in SWO gets hot and plays well.
Dayride
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I've never coached, but I would say when a great game plan doesn't last, that means it was stopped by the other coach making an adjustment and overcoming it. Which seems to be what happened in the second half according to the reports. If he could not make adjustments to score more than 7 points in the second half I would say he was outcoached.
DytnBballFan
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Did you watch the game even? Moeller switched who was defending and how they were defending Yates. Springboro does not have another kid who would even play for Moeller. And Yates cooled off, which despite his run on tournament, he is not a great shooter. I'd love to hear the changes Springboro could have made?
Watched it, the rest of the Springboro roster could barely dribble against Moeller defenders. Zero adjustments by Bales could be made to change that. It is what it is, they were a sub-.500 team without Yates.
sportsguy17
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Thank you!!! Boro had no one else that could play at that speed besides Yates. Moeller did a great job but to say he was outcoached is a joke.
I would love for anyone that watched the game to let me know what they could have done differently. They tried to get Yates going and he could not hit in the 2nd half. Kudos to Bales for staying with your leader because the only way you can compete in that game is to have Yates go offfffff@!!!!
The Wizard of DVH
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Man you called it!!! Their defense was so bad... I just don't understand why they switch everything. Their second tallest starter is 6'0!!! Swith everything and end up with 5'10 guys guarding a 6'7 kid on deep post ups. SMH He's scoring over 5'9 90% of the time!!! JUST DUMB BASKETBALL!!! I also don't understand why they didn't attempt to speed the game up. Pick up full court make their guards work.
The Wizard of DVH
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Boro losing had nothing to do with coaching... Yates has been playing out of his mind the entire tournament. Yates is not a great 3 point shooter but lately has been scorching from 3. In the 2nd half of the game vs Moeller he came back to Earth settling for off the bounce 3's and he was missing. Moeller switched defenders on him and nobody else on Boro can create a shot for themselves or others. Butler is a good player but mainly catch and shoot 3's off of Yates creating. Good season by Boro! Exceeded expectations.
The Wizard of DVH
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Centerville's PG play is so shaky... I'm shocked they beat Moeller this season.
Just curious, what does exceeded expectations mean for Boro? Should they have not won that many games? It seemed to me that they might of had the best player in the league, with maybe the worst schedule, & possibly the worst losses.
The Wizard of DVH
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It means they nobody expected them to win as many games as they did... They had one of the weakest non conference schedules in the GWOC. They didn't have the best player in the GWOC. Stop!!
Redandgold
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That’s called good offense vs bad defense.
DytnBballFan
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That point guard has 3 division one offers, making him the only player in the GWOC besides Powell with any. He also shoots 47% from 3, leading the GWOC, and over 82% from the line. He buried Middletown late by going 12-13 in the District Finals. He single handedly beat St Edwards and put up 28 against St. Ignatius. I can see how he is shaky!
Redandgold
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Both Wayne and Boroughs were put in perspective. Got schooled, honestly. Unlike Centerville, the rest of the GWOC isn’t ready for he South yet.
Adjustments don't help when you have little talent. They just hit shots in the first half that they weren't likely to continue making and Moeller turned it up a bit on the defensive side.
Redandgold
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Well the game plan must not have included getting into an up tempo game with Mo, getting no defensive rebounds, or getting about 10 shots blocked. Borough had a pretty good season, but game plan could not have saved this one.
Only game I saw Springboro play this year they got wrecked by Lebanon. I was unimpressed, to say least.
My, bad. I also saw the Moeller game. 60% from college threes was unlikely to hold up in the 2nd half.
I have been consistently saying the talent is down and Yates carried the team.
The Wizard of DVH
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I never seen a real D1 "PG" turn the ball over as much as he does with ball pressure but okay he has D1 offers LOL
He had at least 6 or 7 yesterday
He definitely has the frame of a D1 guard though I will give him that
DytnBballFan
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What is a real d1 PG? Is it just who you, with all your years recruiting college players, deems to be "real"? To me, a real d1 PG is any kid getting offered scholarships to play PG by a division 1 school.
You seem all about stats when it suits you. Odd how you either dismiss or fail to acknowledge this players, except of course your made up stat about turnovers (he finished the game with 3 turnovers, of course, he added 5 assists and led the Elks in scoring with 17 points). You also don't acknowledge the rest of the season he had, but I'm sure if all those other guards getting "college interest" in the GWOC had actual offers, you would be all about how good they must be (and my apologies, I forgot Hatcher does have an offer).
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They had four guys out when they played that game against Centerville.