district seeds or random
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FUTMagsDAD
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Drawn from sectionals.
1vs. 4, 2vs.3 in each quarter.
1vs. 4, 2vs.3 in each quarter.
So they are random drawn , they dont seed the 4 groups (sectionals) .Thanks
cruiser_96
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Question: How many pairings can be created AND NOT repeat an order??? So far I've copied the exact pairings used for each weight class going back four years, and like twice has there been a repeat.
NOTE: if from top to bottom the order is reversed, I count that as a non-repeat.
NOTE: if from top to bottom the order is reversed, I count that as a non-repeat.
The initial #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 from four different sectionals is a good start, but I think they could actually put just a little more effort in to seed the quarter brackets.
correct
If the process minimizes repeats, then it's not truly random.
cruiser_96
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Agreed. 100%.
I guess my question is how many versions of pairings can there be without repeats? Is there not some mathematical/statistical answer here?
Come on, mathletes - lend a helping hand!
Yes, there would be a mathematical answer, but someone else will need to do the math. I would have to get on Excel to figure it out quickly and I'm not able to do that right now.
Edit- cruiser, I am unfortunately not a mensa candidate.
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WishYouWereHere
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There are 2…
One draw that will give your wrestler the easier chance to get through;
And one that will cause your wrestler to either have to upset someone, or have to “take a dive” in an early match to get the better draw in the conso semi’s.
One draw that will give your wrestler the easier chance to get through;
And one that will cause your wrestler to either have to upset someone, or have to “take a dive” in an early match to get the better draw in the conso semi’s.
This ^^^^^There are 2…
One draw that will give your wrestler the easier chance to get through;
And one that will cause your wrestler to either have to upset someone, or have to “take a dive” in an early match to get the better draw in the conso semi’s.
CoachTreon
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Looks like 24 ways to make that initial quarter... Yellow sectional, Red Sectional, Green Sectional, Blue Sectional
Edited for better formatting on groupings...
Edited for better formatting on groupings...
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Jim Behrens
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Neither is he!
cruiser_96
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Soooooo…how many possible pairings?
ps: LOVE the color-coded pic. That’s freaking legit!
ps: LOVE the color-coded pic. That’s freaking legit!
You mean across all weights, not just within one, right?
darthmalice
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Some years ago, the topic about a true 2nd and a true 4th was brought up because sometimes a random draw would create a scenario where the best 4 don't go to state. Probably happened a lot in the Mentor/ meat grinder district back in the days.
Would it be that much work to seed the quarter brackets in order to get the best wrestlers to Columbus?
Jim Behrens
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Go for it, give it a try.
The only exceptions to the 1/4, 2/3 being random at district is if there are two returning top three state placers in a district weight class -- example: Perry D2 215 with Snider and Getz likely clearing different sectionals as champions, those two will be forced into opposite halves by rule.
Wrestlin_Ross_Fan
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Looking through actual brackets, there is 1 pattern used for bracketing.
Sectional A 1,2,3,4 go to lines 1, 7, 11 and 13
Sectional B 4,3,2,1 go to lines 2, 8, 12 and 14
Sectional C 1,2,3,4 go to lines 9, 3, 5 and 15
Sectional D 4,3,2,1 go to lines 10, 4, 6 and 16
A, B, C and D assignments alternate through the weight classes
This is the pattern for District and the same with State.
This ends up being 4 different bracket possibilities.
Sectional A 1,2,3,4 go to lines 1, 7, 11 and 13
Sectional B 4,3,2,1 go to lines 2, 8, 12 and 14
Sectional C 1,2,3,4 go to lines 9, 3, 5 and 15
Sectional D 4,3,2,1 go to lines 10, 4, 6 and 16
A, B, C and D assignments alternate through the weight classes
This is the pattern for District and the same with State.
This ends up being 4 different bracket possibilities.
Wrestlin_Ross_Fan
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Good point. I was looking at a sample size too small. One weight class over 3 years.
Looking at 2 districts all weight classes, each weight had different combinations.
Looking at 2 districts all weight classes, each weight had different combinations.
CoachTreon
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I believe it would be 24 different bracket sets, because once the 1st group of 4 is determined, the other 12 lines have to be a matching pattern of 1v4, 2v3 based on the 1st quarter bracket.
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CoachTreon
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Same diagram, just with proper line placements:
CoachTreon
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Ok, final answer here (for now...)
There are 48 different bracket combinations. Due to the cross-bracketing of losers from the Championship Quarterfinals into the consolation round 2 lines, the bottom orientation (or pairing) of the bracket does in fact matter.
Here it is with the crayons for the simple folk:
Note the highlighted/Bracketed "Conso 2" pairings in each bracket... This shows that the flip-flopped bottom quarters actually creates a unique bracket.
Since the flip flop of the top quarters would be covered in the initial 24 quarters that can be created, we get 48 possible district brackets that can be created.
There are 48 different bracket combinations. Due to the cross-bracketing of losers from the Championship Quarterfinals into the consolation round 2 lines, the bottom orientation (or pairing) of the bracket does in fact matter.
Here it is with the crayons for the simple folk:
Note the highlighted/Bracketed "Conso 2" pairings in each bracket... This shows that the flip-flopped bottom quarters actually creates a unique bracket.
Since the flip flop of the top quarters would be covered in the initial 24 quarters that can be created, we get 48 possible district brackets that can be created.
cruiser_96
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Freaking legit!
A colleague mentioned 96. Seems like the number as completely flipping the bracket is technically the same, but I view it as a new bracket. So 48 x2 = 96. And that’s 14 weight classes using all the options meaning every ~6.5 years we can start again.
A colleague mentioned 96. Seems like the number as completely flipping the bracket is technically the same, but I view it as a new bracket. So 48 x2 = 96. And that’s 14 weight classes using all the options meaning every ~6.5 years we can start again.
Latman
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I think 24 per weight is the correct answer for how it is drawn at districts. The quarters are the same formula being used, meaning if the top quarter has the #1 from sectional A, the number 2 from sectional A will always be in the bottom (last) quarter, #3 from sectional A will always be in 3rd quarter, #4 from sectional A will always be in the 2nd quarter. All with designated spots. So regardless of which #1 from each sectional sits in a spot, all the others from that sectional will have a designated quarter they fall in and it will not be random for 2-4.