I find it increasingly difficult to believe there will be a spring sports season AT ALL this year.

psycho_dad said:
I do not know what to think anymore. Don't know what is true and what is not. The other day, I talked to my son and he told me that he had info from CDC that showed number of deaths is about 60% higher in the US and in other parts of the world for March and April after taking out Covid-19 deaths. Then I saw a doctor on TV yesterday saying the same thing. 90% in Italy. But about 60% more deaths than normal once you take out Coronavirus. Then I heard/ saw the complete opposite. That total number of deaths is about the same as normal. Which is it, and why is my son, a doctor in the army, getting daily briefings that are so different from what others are getting?
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The last number I saw a week or so ago from NYC showed overall death rate was down about 5%. I think those are numbers you have to use. The problem with bulk numbers like that are peoples behaviors are changed substantially, so the number of people dead from accidents is likely different.

So what appears to be a common theme is majority of deaths are old, health compromised people. Many of which (again in NYC) were placed back into community homes where they...

I remember reading late last year about this and some of the scientists at the time suggested their were two versions of this virus. One that was very lethal, but didn't spread very fast. The other was flu like but was very contagious. NYC and Northern Italy were both exposed directly with people coming back from Wuhan...
 
tmk said:
At one point in time, there were 3 variants (a, b, and c).

www.sci-news.com

Genetic Study Identifies Three Variants of SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus | Sci.News

In a phylogenetic network analysis of the first 160 complete genomes of SARS-CoV-2 to be sequenced from human patients, an international team of scientists found three distinct variants of SARS-CoV-2: A, B and C.
www.sci-news.com www.sci-news.com
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That agrees with what I read in that time frame. That's why sample preservation and transparency are important, which China and their apparent proxy the WHO failed to do.

What most people need to realize is what the medical community and scientific community actually know vs what they and the public at large really do know is HUGE. There are two takeaways I always had from an advanced education (PhD and beyond); 1) question everything you are told as peoples fundamental understanding is almost always lacking (just look at medicine development) and 2) development of rigorous logic and the scientific method. I would say we are good at establishing correlations with fundamental understanding developed over time.

The issue with medicine is the native genetic variation and environmental impacts of life can produce such vastly different current status' in people it makes it hard to truly know. You can find things that work for 95%-99% of people and be lethal to a small percentage. The small percentage outways the majority. That is a decision we have made as a society. It is directly applicable now with covid. Do you destroy the economy and probably lose more people from secondary effects than primary from covid. Granted, it is not the same group of people.
 
Now the bone spur crowd comes to us with a new conspiracy, that the commies in China came up with this virus. Do they really think
they can fool anyone that this is not cover for Donny's dithering the past 6 weeks? My cousin Jethro works at the Tyson Plant, were almost half of
his fellow workers became infected. Possibly all would have come down with covid-19 without closure. Now he only has a 6th grade degree , but his uncle has a PHD, and uncle says it is ok to go back to the plant next week, as only 20 have died so far and the economy can't be damaged. Now these
aren't 60 plus year old people working at this plant. Many are young, maybe not as young as those in classrooms but they are working close together,
about the same distance apart as desks. My hunch is the thousands of university and public school PHDs will see the similarities and decide to stay closed until there are a lot more assurances that schools won't be like meat plants, and at this time there is no such assurance. Fall sports are in real danger, but you go ahead and reopen, Donny will give you Rogaine or Viagra for a cure as sure as he got you that Abbott Labs 12 minute testing.
 
billcarson said:
Now the bone spur crowd comes to us with a new conspiracy, that the commies in China came up with this virus. Do they really think
they can fool anyone that this is not cover for Donny's dithering the past 6 weeks? My cousin Jethro works at the Tyson Plant, were almost half of
his fellow workers became infected. Possibly all would have come down with covid-19 without closure. Now he only has a 6th grade degree , but his uncle has a PHD, and uncle says it is ok to go back to the plant next week, as only 20 have died so far and the economy can't be damaged. Now these
aren't 60 plus year old people working at this plant. Many are young, maybe not as young as those in classrooms but they are working close together,
about the same distance apart as desks. My hunch is the thousands of university and public school PHDs will see the similarities and decide to stay closed until there are a lot more assurances that schools won't be like meat plants, and at this time there is no such assurance. Fall sports are in real danger, but you go ahead and reopen, Donny will give you Rogaine or Viagra for a cure as sure as he got you that Abbott Labs 12 minute testing.
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Word of advise do not post when you are drunk.
 
How do we not have enough testing? We sort of took on the challenge of 60,000 deaths and blew past that like champs! Do we have 100,000 in us? More? You know how in sports and especially distance running, you have to get out of your comfort zone? I think we need to make other peoples deaths out of our comfort zone.
 
psycho_dad said:
How do we not have enough testing? We sort of took on the challenge of 60,000 deaths and blew past that like champs! Do we have 100,000 in us? More? You know how in sports and especially distance running, you have to get out of your comfort zone? I think we need to make other peoples deaths out of our comfort zone.
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I hope this doesn't happen, but there might already be enough cases of infection in the pipeline to reach 100k deaths. It appears to be 2-3 weeks after infection is detected that a portion of the new cases begin to result in deaths. We've been seeing the deaths reported lately at around 2000 to 2500 a day in the U.S.

If this was a marathon, I would say we're around mile 18 at best. Anyone who has run a few marathons knows what lurks around mile 18-20: - "the wall." At that point, you might have a good race going, but it's still far too soon to relax or make plans to call all your friends and tell them how well you did. If complacency sets in, you can still end up with a disappointing result, possibly even a DNF.
 
My bad, we blew by 65,000! Sort of like the Woodridge boys blew by Coventry at the PTC conference meet last Fall in cross country. I hope we are close to mile 18. I fear we are not. Important lesson about leadership kids!
 
psycho_dad said:
My bad, we blew by 65,000! Sort of like the Woodridge boys blew by Coventry at the PTC conference meet last Fall in cross country. I hope we are close to mile 18. I fear we are not. Important lesson about leadership kids!
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Here's the thing about mile 18: Distancewise, you're past halfway, but effortwise, the hard work is still to come.
 
psycho_dad said:
My bad, we blew by 65,000! Sort of like the Woodridge boys blew by Coventry at the PTC conference meet last Fall in cross country. I hope we are close to mile 18. I fear we are not. Important lesson about leadership kids!
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Nah, more like Coventry's longjumpers blowing past the entire ptc last spring.
 
CoventryTrackXCguy said:
Nah, more like Coventry's longjumpers blowing past the entire ptc last spring.
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If only they could have scored 54 points in the long jump.

Just to help you out a bit. Cross Country is low score wins! Track and Field is high score wins. Pass that along to everyone at Coventry. Something my dad taught me when I was a real little kid. It feels good to pass it along to someone else.

Just saw where we broke through the 77k mark. Is anyone else concerned that Trump and the administration is mistaking projections as goals? Upsetting.
 
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psycho_dad said:
If only they could have scored 54 points in the long jump.

Just to help you out a bit. Cross Country is low score wins! Track and Field is high score wins. Pass that along to everyone at Coventry. Something my dad taught me when I was a real little kid. It feels good to pass it along to someone else.

Just saw where we broke through the 77k mark. Is anyone else concerned that Trump and the administration is mistaking projections as goals? Upsetting.
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Oh, how kind of you. I assure you we have the scoring lots of points in track part down good. Its the scoring low points in XC we struggle with. The last season was an atrocity. We vastly underperformed to what our team was capable of.
 
CoventryTrackXCguy said:
Oh, how kind of you. I assure you we have the scoring lots of points in track part down good. Its the scoring low points in XC we struggle with. The last season was an atrocity. We vastly underperformed to what our team was capable of.
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Yeah, us too. Let's hope you have a chance to redeem yourselves.
 
billcarson said:
Now the bone spur crowd comes to us with a new conspiracy, that the commies in China came up with this virus. Do they really think
they can fool anyone that this is not cover for Donny's dithering the past 6 weeks? My cousin Jethro works at the Tyson Plant, were almost half of
his fellow workers became infected. Possibly all would have come down with covid-19 without closure. Now he only has a 6th grade degree , but his uncle has a PHD, and uncle says it is ok to go back to the plant next week, as only 20 have died so far and the economy can't be damaged. Now these
aren't 60 plus year old people working at this plant. Many are young, maybe not as young as those in classrooms but they are working close together,
about the same distance apart as desks. My hunch is the thousands of university and public school PHDs will see the similarities and decide to stay closed until there are a lot more assurances that schools won't be like meat plants, and at this time there is no such assurance. Fall sports are in real danger, but you go ahead and reopen, Donny will give you Rogaine or Viagra for a cure as sure as he got you that Abbott Labs 12 minute testing.
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Maybe you and your cousin brother Jethro should lay off the drugs and alcohol. The actual data shows 95-98% of the people dead had significant prior health issues.
 
psycho_dad said:
I do not know what to think anymore. Don't know what is true and what is not. The other day, I talked to my son and he told me that he had info from CDC that showed number of deaths is about 60% higher in the US and in other parts of the world for March and April after taking out Covid-19 deaths. Then I saw a doctor on TV yesterday saying the same thing. 90% in Italy. But about 60% more deaths than normal once you take out Coronavirus. Then I heard/ saw the complete opposite. That total number of deaths is about the same as normal. Which is it, and why is my son, a doctor in the army, getting daily briefings that are so different from what others are getting?
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This should add to your confusion.

www.lifezette.com

CDC confuses many with newly adjusted COVID-19 death rate in U.S.

Among others, conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza are suggesting that perhaps the "error" was more about funding than anything else.
www.lifezette.com www.lifezette.com

CDC shocks everyone with newly adjusted COVID-19 death rate in U.S.—From 60,000 to 37,000
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We'll see what happens when this is all said and done. It's quite clear China wanted to this bug out to the rest of the world. The question is was it intentional or an accident. The cover up part suggests an accident (buying up all the PPE in the world after the outbreak and then letting everyone fly out of Wuhan).

Question, should the people running New York be held criminally liable for sending infected people into retirement homes and killing other people? Is it manslaughter or 3rd degree murder? What percentage of people that have passed were in homes? 85% in Italy and France.
 
CC Track Fan said:
This should add to your confusion.

www.lifezette.com

CDC confuses many with newly adjusted COVID-19 death rate in U.S.

Among others, conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza are suggesting that perhaps the "error" was more about funding than anything else.
www.lifezette.com www.lifezette.com
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No.

www.buzzfeednews.com

No, The CDC Did Not Revise Down The Number Of COVID-19 Deaths

Several tweets went viral that falsely claimed the CDC had drastically revised down the number of deaths in the US from the coronavirus — but it seems some people didn't read to the end of the page.
www.buzzfeednews.com www.buzzfeednews.com

They didn't.

www.cdc.gov

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
For what it's worth,
My son had a liver Transplant in 2013 (at age 16). He is now a college senior and got his annual "sinus infection" the 1st of March. This time it came with a 2-day fever, and more severe head ache... no problem, he stayed in, took his meds and got better.... a week latter his college was all "on line" and the two schools he was interning at (Pemberville Eastwood and Fostoria) also were done. He was helping in those athletic departments.
Since he is "high risk" he also stopped his job with "LIFT" and self-quarantined in his apartment.

His Transplant appointment and tests were coming up in mid April at the Cleveland Clinic.... They are THE BEST!.
Of course, he could not go to the Clinic like usual...the appointment was by "face time" so the doctor(s) could look at him to make sure his color was good and he is feeling fine now.
When his transpant and Liver Specialist heard about this sickness in early March they said....
"It is Probable that it was COVID-19", and that he is not really "high risk"( to be severe) since one of his daily drugs (Tacromiacin?) and the fact that he is young and otherwise healthy, and that his Blood Type is O-negative. they went on to say that...
1. young and healthy do really well with the virus - we all knew that
2. Liver patients on that drug seem to do really well in fighting this virus - did not know this
3. "O" Blood type does better with the virus than any other - Much less death or severe symptoms - many asymptomatic positive people are type "O"
- I have heard that before, but not from such a reliable source and he made it seem like no one with type O blood has died unless they had very "high risk" attributes for this virus".
This is all good news from my perspective.

When my son asked that if he should be tested for antibodies to confirm if it was COVID, (he would donate some plasma) his doctor said not really needed. That he should continue to quarantine himself and even if he did have it, some people don't have the antibodies to prove it and some may be even susceptible to getting it again. - That sounds like a tricky part.....
The doctor did say that when he goes in (or takes blood) at the End of June, they will do the antibody test
So, not sure that this one case clears anything up, but makes me sleep a little easier when I think about my son over at Bowling Green.... and my 88 year old mom and the rest of my Family is Blood Type "O".....

Stay Safe as you all can.
 
pheesh said:
No.

www.buzzfeednews.com

No, The CDC Did Not Revise Down The Number Of COVID-19 Deaths

Several tweets went viral that falsely claimed the CDC had drastically revised down the number of deaths in the US from the coronavirus — but it seems some people didn't read to the end of the page.
www.buzzfeednews.com www.buzzfeednews.com

They didn't.

www.cdc.gov

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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There are 37k cases with confirmed covid. Apparently in most states it is not required to have a confirmed test. Went thru a few states guidelines and they allow it to be listed without a positive test. No downside to suspecting it. There is a pot of money waiting for the system on the other side of the rainbow.

This is really the issue, gives the social justice medical people cover to explain things any way they want in the future.. This is the same problem the global warming clowns have, made up, corrupted or incomplete data (been a pet project of mine since writing a paper on it in grad school 25 years ago---long term carbon sequestration). People that don't know this is how things work are either ignorant or willfully naive. It's always about power and money, always. Not for the front line people... but the executives and politicians. I used to think science and engineering could be pure and free from this stuff, but nothing is free from it and it's only getting worse. People engineer the outcome they want to see or what they believe to be true.

In general people with type "O" blood are more robust (statistically they live longer). There are many theories on this. Never seen a good explanation TBH. Most of the other blood types are fairly new and have by and large grown out of domesticated life. Type A's, for example, supposedly require much lower amounts of protein. You could make an argument that higher level of protein enable the immune system to be more robust. Based on everything I'm aware of, inflammation in all its different forms is what does just about everybody in over the long haul. Inflammation is important for the athletes and sports we all care about.
 
Running Man 101 said:
There are 37k cases with confirmed covid. Apparently in most states it is not required to have a confirmed test. Went thru a few states guidelines and they allow it to be listed without a positive test. No downside to suspecting it. There is a pot of money waiting for the system on the other side of the rainbow.

This is really the issue, gives the social justice medical people cover to explain things any way they want in the future.. This is the same problem the global warming clowns have, made up, corrupted or incomplete data (been a pet project of mine since writing a paper on it in grad school 25 years ago---long term carbon sequestration). People that don't know this is how things work are either ignorant or willfully naive. It's always about power and money, always. Not for the front line people... but the executives and politicians. I used to think science and engineering could be pure and free from this stuff, but nothing is free from it and it's only getting worse. People engineer the outcome they want to see or what they believe to be true.

In general people with type "O" blood are more robust (statistically they live longer). There are many theories on this. Never seen a good explanation TBH. Most of the other blood types are fairly new and have by and large grown out of domesticated life. Type A's, for example, supposedly require much lower amounts of protein. You could make an argument that higher level of protein enable the immune system to be more robust. Based on everything I'm aware of, inflammation in all its different forms is what does just about everybody in over the long haul. Inflammation is important for the athletes and sports we all care about.
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Jeez man. Give it rest.
 
For the sake of turning this back to schools and sports, Dewine just cut $300 million in funding to schools without considering using the rainy day fund. That’s nice to know on teacher appreciation week.
 
Seems more and more likely that the sacrifice we asked children to make is going to be for nothing. Very concerned that this will turn into a fight for public education, Schools, teachers, etc... Must say that the air has gone out of my sails a bit. I'm a little less positive than I was 2 days ago, 2 weeks ago and 2 months ago. Schools seemed to have a plan. They jumped on it. Made sure kids were taken care of with food and education. Now what? What was the end game? How are they not rewarded? How is it they will be punished? Why has my 17 year old son (18 tomorrow) sitting at home in a small bedroom all day on the worst sleep schedule I've ever seen for 8 weeks? Why couldn't we have had a track season and kept them in school if this is what has become of the effort?
 
Good news for my district. Coventry appears to have passed a levy this spring. I say appears, because the results are unofficial. Being that the voting was not done in person, but by mail, I was surprised, I did not think it would pass. It is lucky for us that it did. This pandemic is going to be problematic for many schools. The private schools will be among the first to be hurt by this. An economic downturn means that fewer families will be paying tuition. Smaller private schools might shutter this fall. Public schools, since they are funded by property taxes, should be fine...until they have to pass a levy. Procuring the votes to pass levies will be a lot more difficult. Coventry is among those districts that struggle to pass levies. However the fact that our levy passed now means that we wont have to fight that battle for another three years. And by then, the country should hopefully be recovering from this.
 
This is only going to exacerbate the difference between the haves and have nots. Some school districts currently get very little state aid, so reductions in that aid might end up with only modest impacts on the overall budget. Poorer districts have a large part of their budget dependent on state aid and will suffer to a much greater degree.

I've seen some people argue in other forums that we can reduce costs by reducing the number of teachers and doing more classes online. The problem is that there is no evidence what we're doing online is effective. From what I have discerned talking to teachers in other districts, my school district is holding students to relatively lofty expectations and we're only covering about 25% of the material we would have normally covered 4th quarter. There is also no way to get an accurate assessment of learning, since we have no practical way of knowing who's actually taking any assessment - older siblings, parents, etc.

Several years ago, I believe there was a Stanford study of online eduction that showed in a 180-day school year, high school students lost 150 days of progress in English and 180 days of progress in Math. So much of education is affected by teacher-student relationships. Starting the school year online is going to make it much tougher to develop those relationships. In situations where access to technology is inconsistent, it's going to be brutal. Among the brightest students, who are already capable life-long learners by the time they are in high school online classes might be sufficient to keep them moving forward, but that will not be true for the majority of students.

It's difficult to remain optimistic at this point.

Education of our children has never been easy, but our structures and our staffs are not prepared for an online education paradigm. We are in for a rough transition that will have a ripple effect for years.
 
mathking said:
This was forwarded to me by several different friends. Including one who is an epidemiologist currently working on COVID19. It is a fairly lengthy read, but has a LOT of good interactive modeling that allows you to play with assumed values. It cleared up some misunderstandings I had.
ncase.me

What Happens Next? COVID-19 Futures, Explained With Playable Simulations

an interactive guide
ncase.me ncase.me
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NERD! That isn't fun at all. Fairly lengthy? I didn't get very far, I must admit. I tried skipping to the end, but that doesn't help. Trying to go through something like that with my dyslexic way of reading, is brutal. It made me sick.

I trust you to bottom line it for me. I'll take your word for it.
 
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