What regions would Marion Local Win in Each Division?

TigerPaw said:
I tend to agree. A pickem probably but I’m kinda leaning ML - this year. By all accounts one of their best ever, correct?
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One of the best ever yes, best of all time I doubt in my opinion. Best player ML has on offense is their QB, he can run a 11 flat 100 meters (very few H.S QB's in Ohio if any can run that and he is as strong as a bull) and he has a rocket for an arm. Of course, ML's strength is there coaching and that is why teams like ML, a Kirtland can compete with the "bigger" schools when they have very talented teams. Over the years talent in Ohio has dropped overall (population demographic's Ohio is older not younger pop.) that I have no doubt but certain pockets like Mercer Co. it has not still stable number of students vs 20 years ago. 10 years ago, posters were saying ML couldn't compete vs any D3 schools now the argument is they can't compete vs the upper echelon of D3 schools at least we are making progress, I guess.
 
TigerPaw said:
Not following. Lake Catholic is very strong this year. That outcome is far from certain.

ML > Glenville LC or by proxy St. Ed who Glenville beat is where things get fantastical, but speculate away.
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That point of the season no outcome is far from certain (unless you’re Marion Local or Massillon and I say that full on envy, lol). We’ve lost a few games and I’ve never once made and excuse and I’ve never any of the coaches or players make an excuse. But I get it, people hate that we’re in D4 and hate that we have a TON coming back next season. Tbh, if I didn’t have a connecting to Glenville football I’d be pretty pissed too that were so damn good with Fr making up half of our starting secondary, a Soph starting QB and the best player in the state returning next season.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
One of the best ever yes, best of all time I doubt in my opinion. Best player ML has on offense is their QB, he can run a 11 flat 100 meters (very few H.S QB's in Ohio if any can run that and he is as strong as a bull) and he has a rocket for an arm. Of course, ML's strength is there coaching and that is why teams like ML, a Kirtland can compete with the "bigger" schools when they have very talented teams. Over the years talent in Ohio has dropped overall (population demographic's Ohio is older not younger pop.) that I have no doubt but certain pockets like Mercer Co. it has not still stable number of students vs 20 years ago. 10 years ago, posters were saying ML couldn't compete vs any D3 schools now the argument is they can't compete vs the upper echelon of D3 schools at least we are making progress, I guess.
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Colleges recruit on talent not gaudy superlatives on fan forums. I read that and expect mid-major at least. Is that the case? Just asking.

Now I will say I have seen very good Qb's, including my team, who were not D1 recruits. But none that would fit that^ description. More like "small/slow but accurate" or "heart" or "heady" etc.
 
TigerPaw said:
Colleges recruit on talent not gaudy superlatives on fan forums. I read that and expect mid-major at least. Is that the case? Just asking.

Now I will say I have seen very good Qb's, including my team, who were not D1 recruits. But none that would fit that^ description. More like "small/slow but accurate" or "heart" or "heady" etc.
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Marion Local for all its success and glory has never been good about promoting its players to the next level and inviting coaches to do scouting. The reasoning for that is unknown to me. You can't tell me St Henry has been able to churn out a fair amount of successful D1 talent but ML has not had similar talent come through. Perhaps it's the coaches fault, perhaps it's disinterest on the players' part. I'm unsure.
 
State2013-1 said:
Marion Local for all its success and glory has never been good about promoting its players to the next level and inviting coaches to do scouting. The reasoning for that is unknown to me. You can't tell me St Henry has been able to churn out a fair amount of successful D1 talent but ML has not had similar talent come through. Perhaps it's the coaches fault, perhaps it's disinterest on the players' part. I'm unsure.
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Starters out at halftime hurts stats. The first thing a recruiter is going to see is stats, then they will come and scout. Not the other way around. I think that has a lot to do with it.
 
Whasup said:
Starters out at halftime hurts stats. The first thing a recruiter is going to see is stats, then they will come and scout. Not the other way around. I think that has a lot to do with it.
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Could be onto something. I never thought about that part.
 
State2013-1 said:
Marion Local for all its success and glory has never been good about promoting its players to the next level and inviting coaches to do scouting. The reasoning for that is unknown to me. You can't tell me St Henry has been able to churn out a fair amount of successful D1 talent but ML has not had similar talent come through. Perhaps it's the coaches fault, perhaps it's disinterest on the players' part. I'm unsure.
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Agree that is perplexing. But I can't help but think someone would not notice and want a player like that. If he really wants to play next level I hope he finds someone or walks on etc because he sounds really good and seems to have the right measurables.
 
State2013-1 said:
Marion Local for all its success and glory has never been good about promoting its players to the next level and inviting coaches to do scouting. The reasoning for that is unknown to me. You can't tell me St Henry has been able to churn out a fair amount of successful D1 talent but ML has not had similar talent come through. Perhaps it's the coaches fault, perhaps it's disinterest on the players' part. I'm unsure.
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Curious because I don't know, but who has gone D1 from St Henry recently? Mikesell in basketball doesn't count lol
 
Rolly67 said:
Only a few comparison games between the two the last couple years:

2022
ML 35 CW 0 (No Blasingame)
LC 34 CW 0 (With Blasingame)

2023
LC 62 PH 0
ML 49 PH 0
ML gave up twice as many points to CW as LC did. (Okay fine they also scored twice as many points on CW as LC did.)
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Rolly, you forgot to add in 2023 LC 62 PH 0 (PH 3 year starter-Nash Meyer's first game missed)
 
TigerPaw said:
Agree that is perplexing. But I can't help but think someone would not notice and want a player like that. If he really wants to play next level I hope he finds someone or walks on etc because he sounds really good and seems to have the right measurables.
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Personally if you ask me, most ML players that could potentially play at the next level have better intangibles to play defense over offense at the next level. They're just a touch slower but that's not terrible on the defensive side. They also play with their pad levels low.
 
tcgobucks said:
Curious because I don't know, but who has gone D1 from St Henry recently? Mikesell in basketball doesn't count lol
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None recently, Boekman would be the last one that I'm aware of but still, the talent level between the schools isn't very different even back then. Yeah St Henry had standouts like Bobby Hoying, Jeff Hartings, etc but I would argue ML has had standouts in their own right that for whatever reason didn't go to the next level. MLs career leading rusher and tackler I don't believe got any looks for the next level and both of them were machines.

Disclosure: they did have Bertke and Dirksen go D1 but neither played any meaningful minutes at the next level and Dirksen even forwent extra eligibility to graduate.
 
serpico said:
No, the question (statement) that I answered was this:

After I demonstrated that his statement was false, he moved the goalposts. You then did what you normally do.

This is why I hate this topic and will now take my leave.
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The question was which regions would Marion Local win and there is zero proof they could win any region in Divisions I through IV, to win the region, you first have to qualify for the playoffs in that region, then beat not just the eventual region champ but everyone else along the way. There is no substantive evidence Marion Local could even have a remote chance of doing this. They might win some regions in D-VI or D-V, but those aren't even a guarantee much less higher divisions.

At the end of the day as I have said time and time again if Marion Local can infact compete then they have every opportunity to prove it by opting up and scheduling accordingly. If they don't do so then obviously they can't compete at the level everyone claims or else why not prove it by actually opting up and doing what everyone claims would be the case?
 
State2013-1 said:
A multiple D1 team Mooney, lost to Coldwater way back when, who had 1 maybe 2 D1 players. This doesn't really tell us anything. From what I understand, Ironton also has a discipline problem which you can not have while playing teams like Kirtland and ML.
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And again everyone is refrencing a Mooney team that had to play Coldwater missing quite a few key players, when the rest of the year the results were with all their best players available. You have to look at the full picture and not just pick and choose as is convenient to paint the picture you want to portray. The Mooney team Coldwater beat was not the same Mooney team that played everyone else at mostly full strength. Obviously the fact Mooney wasn't at full strength isn't Coldwater fault, but it doesn’t change the facts of the situation.
 
simkon said:
And again everyone is refrencing a Mooney team that had to play Coldwater missing quite a few key players, when the rest of the year the results were with all their best players available. You have to look at the full picture and not just pick and choose as is convenient to paint the picture you want to portray. The Mooney team Coldwater beat was not the same Mooney team that played everyone else at mostly full strength. Obviously the fact Mooney wasn't at full strength isn't Coldwater fault, but it doesn’t change the facts of the situation.
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I saw that game. What you say is true. But Coldwater also played an incredible game with some beautifully executed trickery along the way. It was an incredible win. But I walked away thinking Mooney wins a 3, 5, and 7 game series. And at full strength maybe convincingly. Point being "on any given Sunday". Upsets do happen. Seen some incredible ones over the years. But they are exceptions not rules.
 
simkon said:
The question was which regions would Marion Local win and there is zero proof they could win any region in Divisions I through IV, to win the region, you first have to qualify for the playoffs in that region, then beat not just the eventual region champ but everyone else along the way. There is no substantive evidence Marion Local could even have a remote chance of doing this. They might win some regions in D-VI or D-V, but those aren't even a guarantee much less higher divisions.

At the end of the day as I have said time and time again if Marion Local can infact compete then they have every opportunity to prove it by opting up and scheduling accordingly. If they don't do so then obviously they can't compete at the level everyone claims or else why not prove it by actually opting up and doing what everyone claims would be the case?
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I think a lot of people who are suggesting that ML could compete at a much higher level are saying so with only one game in mind. The fact of the matter is that if they were to move up to say, DIII, they would have more competitive games and would not be resting kids by halftime. That's more wear and tear on kids bodies, and inevitably, talented depth would become an issue.
 
For what it's worth, if you go to Calpreps and put Marion Local up against every team in the state currently remaining in the playoffs, the ONLY team it projects to beat the Flyers is Archbishop Moeller, 35-31. Now, I realize those are all hypothetical matchups. However, Calpreps projections have a historically high rate of accuracy. I don't think there is a team in the state that would wipe the floor with Marion. Could there be some teams that play with them or even beat them, sure. But I don't think they'd be scared of anybody, regardless of division.
 
underthelights said:
I think a lot of people who are suggesting that ML could compete at a much higher level are saying so with only one game in mind. The fact of the matter is that if they were to move up to say, DIII, they would have more competitive games and would not be resting kids by halftime. That's more wear and tear on kids bodies, and inevitably, talented depth would become an issue.
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Agree but St. Marys just beat the 4th ranked team in D3 Tipp City (AP poll). ML scrimmaged SM's (now it was just a scrimmage) but ML after 1 qtr. was up 29 - 0. I have no doubt Marion Local if not winning D3 R 12 would be very competitive with any of those D3 teams left in D3 R12. And ML is not your typical D7 school I believe Flyers have 66 players on the roster so ML has some depth.
 
simkon said:
And again everyone is refrencing a Mooney team that had to play Coldwater missing quite a few key players, when the rest of the year the results were with all their best players available. You have to look at the full picture and not just pick and choose as is convenient to paint the picture you want to portray. The Mooney team Coldwater beat was not the same Mooney team that played everyone else at mostly full strength. Obviously the fact Mooney wasn't at full strength isn't Coldwater fault, but it doesn’t change the facts of the situation.
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Cut the s**t. You play with what you have. It's an excuse. Point is anyone can win anytime. Just because you have oodles of D1 talent does not mean you win. My comment was directed at a person saying Ironton would beat ML soundly because they had D1 talent. Which for a team that historically has a hard time winning the big one and can't beat an opponent that ML has beaten, is big talk.
 
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Stirred not Shaken said:
Agree but St. Marys just beat the 4th ranked team in D3 Tipp City (AP poll). ML scrimmaged SM's (now it was just a scrimmage) but ML after 1 qtr. was up 29 - 0. I have no doubt Marion Local if not winning D3 R 12 would be very competitive with any of those D3 teams left in D3 R12. And ML is not your typical D7 school I believe Flyers have 66 players on the roster so ML has some depth.
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66 players on their roster. How many does Minster, SH, NB have on their roster. Of course they are going to wipe the floor with that many kids. Heck most WBL schools do not have 66 kids on their roster. Give them 30-40 like most schools in the MAC and they will see how much of a difference that makes. ML is a great team but, they have so many legal advantages and really even though it is within the rules it really is unfair. Of course they are going to win games. How many kids does a D1 team generally have on their roster?
 
notHalfbad said:
66 players on their roster. How many does Minster, SH, NB have on their roster. Of course they are going to wipe the floor with that many kids. Heck most WBL schools do not have 66 kids on their roster. Give them 30-40 like most schools in the MAC and they will see how much of a difference that makes. ML is a great team but, they have so many legal advantages and really even though it is within the rules it really is unfair. Of course they are going to win games. How many kids does a D1 team generally have on their roster?
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Who said anything about D1 I was talking D3 keep moving the goal post.
 
simkon said:
And again everyone is refrencing a Mooney team that had to play Coldwater missing quite a few key players, when the rest of the year the results were with all their best players available. You have to look at the full picture and not just pick and choose as is convenient to paint the picture you want to portray. The Mooney team Coldwater beat was not the same Mooney team that played everyone else at mostly full strength. Obviously the fact Mooney wasn't at full strength isn't Coldwater fault, but it doesn’t change the facts of the situation.
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Who was Mooney missing beside their starting QB? ML in 13 beat Coldwater (won D5 state in 13 beating Hartley) without the Flyers 2nd team All State QB. Are you saying Marion Local has more depth than that nationally ranked Mooney team?
 
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WHODEYandtheBLOWFISH said:
For what it's worth, if you go to Calpreps and put Marion Local up against every team in the state currently remaining in the playoffs, the ONLY team it projects to beat the Flyers is Archbishop Moeller, 35-31. Now, I realize those are all hypothetical matchups. However, Calpreps projections have a historically high rate of accuracy. I don't think there is a team in the state that would wipe the floor with Marion. Could there be some teams that play with them or even beat them, sure. But I don't think they'd be scared of anybody, regardless of division.
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Well played, you almost had me there. Then I realized you’re just joking.
 
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