Toledo Area Basketball 21-22

[NLLBEST]

NLL seems pretty clear to me, top 2 are a cut above the rest. In my opinion Southview is the next best team and should finish 3rd. I like Napoleons size and they have enough scoring/athleticism to finish 4 but 5-8 are all within a couple of baskets from each other on any given night, and one could pass them. Maumee has now lost to both BG and AW by 3. Springfield just lost by 3 to AW as well.

1 Northview
2 Perrysburg

3 Southview

4 Napoleon
5 Anthony Wayne
6 BG
7/8 Maumee/Springfield

 

[PburgFan2212]

NLL seems pretty clear to me, top 2 are a cut above the rest. In my opinion Southview is the next best team and should finish 3rd. I like Napoleons size and they have enough scoring/athleticism to finish 4 but 5-8 are all within a couple of baskets from each other on any given night, and one could pass them. Maumee has now lost to both BG and AW by 3. Springfield just lost by 3 to AW as well.

1 Northview
2 Perrysburg

3 Southview

4 Napoleon
5 Anthony Wayne
6 BG
7/8 Maumee/Springfield

Agree for the most part. I think you can put SV and Napoleon in the 2nd tier and then BG, AW.....and then SF and Maumee.

1. Northview
2. Perrysburg

3. Southview
4. Napoleon

5. BG
6. AW

7. Springfield
8. Maumee

Napoleon just beat AW this morning by 5 (but they were up 14 at the end of the 3Q).

NV and Perrysburg are two really good teams. NV was the better team last night. NV is tough because they usually have the best two players on the court no matter who they play. I'm going to say that Craig/Hunt are the best 1-2 combo in NWO. They also start 5 seniors. Next year, IMO, is going to be a down year for NV. I believe they only played one underclassman last night (Sophomore) during the main part of the game.

Perrysburg played a very good first half and they were up 36-35 at halftime. The 3Q killed them as NV outscored them 24-10. Shots that were falling in the first half did not in the 2nd half. The final was closer than the game really was. NV was up 15 in the 4Q and Pburg made a couple of shots in the last 1:30 to close the gap while the subs were in. NV played harder and was more aggressive, especially on the offensive glass. And Craig is just really hard to defend.

Hoping that Perrysburg plays better in a month when they play again at Perrysburg. That game might be for all the marbles for a co-championship as I don't see either team losing any games in the league the rest of the year.

 

[boater]

Which NLL teams "won't" play them anymore? Just curious. I would like to see Perrysburg play them this year. Next year as well. Perrysburg will have a little "surprise" on next year's team.

For Perrysburg and O-G it wasn't ever about one not wanting to play the other it was strictly scheduling issues, as they will resume play very soon as per the O-G athletic director- FYI - in the next year or two - it is about finding a mutual open date- nothing more.
Both schools have great respect for each other & want to continue to play each other. Now on the other NLL schools & O-G ..LOL although I will say O-G has had BG and Napoleon ( Previously) on the schedule for better than 20 years?
I now live in Perrysburg so I would like to see more interaction with the Titans and schools up this way - selfishly....

 

[NW HOOPS419]

1/15 Rankings
1. Lima- great wins over Findlay and OG
2. Central
3. Northview- play St Iggey tomorrow
4. Perrysburg
5. Whitmer- plays Lima this week
6. Findlay- Tough loss to Lima at buzzer
7. Rossford- plays SJJ tomorrow
8. SJJ
9. Swanton- winning but not convincingly
10. Toledo Christian
HM: Eastwood, Emmanuel Christian, OH

 

[Maple_City_Fan]

Replacing the visitors side at Don Paul with some decent seating even half way comparable to the home side would make that stadium tops in Ohio IMO.

honestly, I'm still confused what's going on with East seating. Fieldturf has been replaced twice.

It's been a rough-go lately for Ross Basketball. Waite and Clay could be what the Doctor ordered

 

[jafo]

Maumee 48
Hicksville 44
Rossford MLK Classic

 

[jafo]

Pandora-Gilboa 50
Waite 38
Rossford MLK Classic

 

[jafo]

Bowling Green 60
Liberty Center 49
Rossford MLK Classic

 

[PburgFan2212]

Northview 34
St. Ignatius 23

Halftime

 

[PburgFan2212]

Northview 70
St Ignatius 55

 

[Maple_City_Fan]

Northview 70
St Ignatius 55

that should be the tiebreaker from their epic Hockey Final a few years back, Ha!

 

[green_genes]

St. Ignatius looked like they didn't want to be there. Northview could have beaten them by 30.

Also, how many Red Bulls does Jeremy McDonald pound before a game?

Rossford again struggled with ball pressure taking them out of their half court sets. Vorst is looking like a mid-major player at least. The difference in skill level between him and the big kids from St. Ignatius and Onsted was pretty striking.

 

[OHIOVSTW419]

Also, how many Red Bulls does Jeremy McDonald pound before a game?

Word in the '05 is he fills a tumbler with some water from Hecklingers Pond and MD 2020.

Saw St Francis almost got their first W. They are playing teams fairly tough outside of a couple of blowouts. They could steal a couple wins down the stretch and should be able to take care of Clay. Maybe a team to watch out for for the upset alert come March

A lot of interesting scenarios could play out in the big school division in NW Ohio. Lima, NV, Perrysburg, Whitmer, SJJ, Findlay and Ashland with BG, AW, SV, Start or Madison filling in that 8th spot should make for two districts with some nice matchups. Looking forward to the tournament draw and how it plays out. the DII district at Lake will have some quality ball as well.

 

[irish_buffalo]

Word in the '05 is he fills a tumbler with some water from Hecklingers Pond and MD 2020.

Saw St Francis almost got their first W. They are playing teams fairly tough outside of a couple of blowouts. They could steal a couple wins down the stretch and should be able to take care of Clay. Maybe a team to watch out for for the upset alert come March

A lot of interesting scenarios could play out in the big school division in NW Ohio. Lima, NV, Perrysburg, Whitmer, SJJ, Findlay and Ashland with BG, AW, SV, Start or Madison filling in that 8th spot should make for two districts with some nice matchups. Looking forward to the tournament draw and how it plays out. the DII district at Lake will have some quality ball as well.

That's Hecky's Pond to you!

McDonald is a competitor. Always has been. The nickel will give you that chip. At least it used to.

 

[green_genes]

Word in the '05 is he fills a tumbler with some water from Hecklingers Pond and MD 2020.

Saw St Francis almost got their first W. They are playing teams fairly tough outside of a couple of blowouts. They could steal a couple wins down the stretch and should be able to take care of Clay. Maybe a team to watch out for for the upset alert come March

A lot of interesting scenarios could play out in the big school division in NW Ohio. Lima, NV, Perrysburg, Whitmer, SJJ, Findlay and Ashland with BG, AW, SV, Start or Madison filling in that 8th spot should make for two districts with some nice matchups. Looking forward to the tournament draw and how it plays out. the DII district at Lake will have some quality ball as well.

Findlay has some nice players...have to wonder if they'll get bit by being too loose with the ball in a close game - trying alley oops, a couple of the kids always looking for their own shot, etc. Huge difference between them and SJJ in terms of playing smart with a lead, at least from what I saw last night. Granted, Findlay was up double digits most of their game...

SFS really should have beaten Onsted...that wasn't a good team despite their record.

 

[Smalls]

Vorst is looking like a mid-major player at least. The difference in skill level between him and the big kids from St. Ignatius and Onsted was pretty striking.

Only saw brief highlights of the Onsted kid. Looks to be a little thicker and less agile than his brother who played at Michigan. I was told Iowa was at their Friday night home game. He is only a soph. and has more time to develop, but Vorst is much quicker and gets off the ground a lot quicker.

 

[Smalls]

Nice win for Northview over St. Iggy. Final 4 team last year who has four guys with D1 offers and a 6'10" post.

St. Ignatius on guard for a change of pace: Boys basketball preseason camp tour

St. Ignatius has a slew of guards coming off its Division I state semifinal run, including senior Jon Effertz and a trio of sophomores.

www.cleveland.com

 

[green_genes]

Only saw brief highlights of the Onsted kid. Looks to be a little thicker and less agile than his brother who played at Michigan. I was told Iowa was at their Friday night home game. He is only a soph. and has more time to develop, but Vorst is much quicker and gets off the ground a lot quicker.

He's got a long way to go. I have to guess that he projects to grow a few more inches, because he looked really unathletic. Couldn't bend his knees and use his rear when posting up. He tripped over SFS guys a few times and could've fouled out pretty easily just backing over post defenders. He also didn't have much of a catch or rebound radius. He did have a decent stroke out to 20', but I'm not sure he can even dunk right now.

I will give him credit for playing the entire 2nd half and both OTs without coming out.

If he's 6'9" in two years, I don't know if he's even a D1 project. If he's 7' plus I'm sure Purdue will be all over him.

 

[green_genes]

Nice win for Northview over St. Iggy. Final 4 team last year who has four guys with D1 offers and a 6'10" post.

St. Ignatius on guard for a change of pace: Boys basketball preseason camp tour

St. Ignatius has a slew of guards coming off its Division I state semifinal run, including senior Jon Effertz and a trio of sophomores.

www.cleveland.com

If you gave teams points for coaching effort, NV would have won by 50.

Not impressed with the 6'10" kid from St. Ignatius bumping Craig as he jogged down court after one of his few buckets and then begging out of the handshake line to head to the locker room early.

They didn't shoot well, but also didn't expend a lot of effort on the defensive end. Rossford couldn't shoot over them when they played there last year. Craig and Hunt didn't have any problem and St. Ignatius's lazy closeouts didn't help.

 

[Smalls]

If he's 6'9" in two years, I don't know if he's even a D1 project. If he's 7' plus I'm sure Purdue will be all over him.

They will need to get him on the juice . Purdue always has a guy or two who look like a military experiment. Good engineering school - maybe I'm on to something.

 

[PburgFan2212]

He's got a long way to go. I have to guess that he projects to grow a few more inches, because he looked really unathletic. Couldn't bend his knees and use his rear when posting up. He tripped over SFS guys a few times and could've fouled out pretty easily just backing over post defenders. He also didn't have much of a catch or rebound radius. He did have a decent stroke out to 20', but I'm not sure he can even dunk right now.

I will give him credit for playing the entire 2nd half and both OTs without coming out.

If he's 6'9" in two years, I don't know if he's even a D1 project. If he's 7' plus I'm sure Purdue will be all over him.

That was an oddly officiated game. The big kid was called for 3 offensive fouls in the first half as him and the Meyer kid were battling pretty good. Then, in the second half, it seemed like every foul went against St. Francis. A lot of the same stuff going on inside with the big kid, but they literally called every foul on St. Francis. Meyer fouled out in regulation and the big Davis kid didn't have a foul called on him in the 2nd half. Karinchak (sp?) was pissed. At one point after they called a pretty ridiculous foul when a kid had his hands straight up, Karinchak yelled at the refs asking them to tell him how they were supposed to guard him so he could call a timeout and tell his kids, which I thought was pretty funny.

 

[PburgFan2212]

Findlay has some nice players...have to wonder if they'll get bit by being too loose with the ball in a close game - trying alley oops, a couple of the kids always looking for their own shot, etc. Huge difference between them and SJJ in terms of playing smart with a lead, at least from what I saw last night. Granted, Findlay was up double digits most of their game...

SFS really should have beaten Onsted...that wasn't a good team despite their record.

I was very surprised at how small both Findlay and SJJ's were. Findlay has the older Montgomery kid, but I don't know if he even scored against Southview. Barely played in the second half. The other 4 starters for Findlay were 5-10, 5-10, 6-1 and 6-1. Curious how they match up against bigger/longer teams. That said, their guards are really, really good. They can all handle pressure and Max Roth is very quick and athletic, which is obvious as he had 3 dunks vs Southview.

SJJ has the Michalak (sp?) kid who I believe was listed at 6-6, but other than that didn't have much. He also hurt his shoulder and didn't play much if any in the 2nd half. But they are pretty quick and play good defense. Need to have good ball handlers against them. Probably why Findlay and SJJ was a close game the first time they played (67-64 SJJ win).

 

[green_genes]

That was an oddly officiated game. The big kid was called for 3 offensive fouls in the first half as him and the Meyer kid were battling pretty good. Then, in the second half, it seemed like every foul went against St. Francis. A lot of the same stuff going on inside with the big kid, but they literally called every foul on St. Francis. Meyer fouled out in regulation and the big Davis kid didn't have a foul called on him in the 2nd half. Karinchak (sp?) was pissed. At one point after they called a pretty ridiculous foul when a kid had his hands straight up, Karinchak yelled at the refs asking them to tell him how they were supposed to guard him so he could call a timeout and tell his kids, which I thought was pretty funny.

I was having an early dinner at Moe's, so I didn't see the first quarter.

If I was the ref I would have told Kachie that, since he was on the floor most of the game, his team was guarding them 6 on 5 and already had an advantage.

Feel a little bit bad for SFS...that might have been their only shot at a win this year. At the same time, Onsted might go undefeated this year in the regular season without playing a team as good as SFS. Wonder if their coach measured the rims ala Norman Dale and reminded them that the dimensions of the court were the same despite all of the roads in Wood County being paved.

 

[green_genes]

I was very surprised at how small both Findlay and SJJ's were. Findlay has the older Montgomery kid, but I don't know if he even scored against Southview. Barely played in the second half. The other 4 starters for Findlay were 5-10, 5-10, 6-1 and 6-1. Curious how they match up against bigger/longer teams. That said, their guards are really, really good. They can all handle pressure and Max Roth is very quick and athletic, which is obvious as he had 3 dunks vs Southview.

SJJ has the Michalak (sp?) kid who I believe was listed at 6-6, but other than that didn't have much. He also hurt his shoulder and didn't play much if any in the 2nd half. But they are pretty quick and play good defense. Need to have good ball handlers against them. Probably why Findlay and SJJ was a close game the first time they played (67-64 SJJ win).

I'm sure Toler and Hornbeak playing with the Morrisons and Revels all the time helped SJJ with the game plan. They didn't leave Rossford's shooters open very often. Similar to the Dayton Dunbar game where Vorst pretty much had his way inside and Dunbar shut down everyone else. I think Rossford's trapping would give teams problems with their length, but they just don't have the depth to do it for a whole game. They really miss Caleb Otlewski, who moved to Texas and is now a D1 recruit in football and baseball and would have given them another athletic 6'4" guy in that junior class.

 

[OHIOVSTW419]

I was having an early dinner at Moe's, so I didn't see the first quarter.

If I was the ref I would have told Kachie that, since he was on the floor most of the game, his team was guarding them 6 on 5 and already had an advantage.

Feel a little bit bad for SFS...that might have been their only shot at a win this year. At the same time, Onsted might go undefeated this year in the regular season without playing a team as good as SFS. Wonder if their coach measured the rims ala Norman Dale and reminded them that the dimensions of the court were the same despite all of the roads in Wood County being paved.

They still play Clay twice. The team they play from Indiana towards the end of the season, has a losing record if I found the right team online. Also wouldnt count them out against Fremont either. Lost to them by 1 earlier in the year and Ross has lost 5 in a row. They do play Clay and Waite before SF so they should be out of their slump by the time they host SF.

Their culture will show its down the stretch here at St Francis. I think we will get a good idea on what to expect out of them next season. 9 games left, big time 'dogs in 5 of em and sitting at 0-13.

 

[Smalls]

He's got a long way to go. I have to guess that he projects to grow a few more inches, because he looked really unathletic. Couldn't bend his knees and use his rear when posting up. He tripped over SFS guys a few times and could've fouled out pretty easily just backing over post defenders. He also didn't have much of a catch or rebound radius. He did have a decent stroke out to 20', but I'm not sure he can even dunk right now.

I will give him credit for playing the entire 2nd half and both OTs without coming out.

If he's 6'9" in two years, I don't know if he's even a D1 project. If he's 7' plus I'm sure Purdue will be all over him.

I got to watch the game yesterday on BCSN. Davis played a good game. 20+ points, 12+ rebounds, 5+ blocks. Showed an ability to catch the ball in traffic, pass post to post, create angles for a post entry, good touch from the foul line. His game is quiet - not a high volume shooter, very efficient scorer, doesn't force shots and played to his strengths pretty well. More of a classic big man.

St. Francis was double teaming him before the catch and doing all the annoying stuff a team does to try and get under someone's skin - standing chest to chest, putting hands in his face, cutting his legs - all before the ball was even over half court or inbounded. His 1st few fouls were a reaction to them getting under his skin. Even the foul in the 2nd half was a result of getting leg whipped by the kid laying on the floor. He was just trying to get his foot out from between the leg whip and got called for a foul for some reason.

He does have heavy legs, but is strong as hell and has solid skills and understanding of the game - didn't put the ball on the floor much in traffic, kept the ball high on put backs and blocked 5 or 6 shots without fouling or being a great leaper. He didn't sit down in the post because they were fronting him with one guy and had a double team on the back side before the pass was even made. The only entry was over the top.

For me the "project" part of his game is becoming quicker on his feet which can come naturally with age and happen sooner with work - he is only a soph. At this point I'm not sure I see Big 10 (Iowa was at a game this week) - but he is more than a D1 project. It my be that my definition of project is different than yours. I view a project as someone who has the physical tools, but lacks skill or basketball I.Q.

I would have liked to have seen a Davis vs Vorst matchup two talented young bigs with different strengths going at it.

A few friends had a similar assessment as you so I am outnumbered .

 

[Maple_City_Fan]

EIB won't like this, but Ross taking Waite Indians to the shed could jumpstart the Little Giants. I'll take any form of confidence builder, Ha! even if one disagrees because it was winless WHS

 

[green_genes]

I got to watch the game yesterday on BCSN. Davis played a good game. 20+ points, 12+ rebounds, 5+ blocks. Showed an ability to catch the ball in traffic, pass post to post, create angles for a post entry, good touch from the foul line. His game is quiet - not a high volume shooter, very efficient scorer, doesn't force shots and played to his strengths pretty well. More of a classic big man.

St. Francis was double teaming him before the catch and doing all the annoying stuff a team does to try and get under someone's skin - standing chest to chest, putting hands in his face, cutting his legs - all before the ball was even over half court or inbounded. His 1st few fouls were a reaction to them getting under his skin. Even the foul in the 2nd half was a result of getting leg whipped by the kid laying on the floor. He was just trying to get his foot out from between the leg whip and got called for a foul for some reason.

He does have heavy legs, but is strong as hell and has solid skills and understanding of the game - didn't put the ball on the floor much in traffic, kept the ball high on put backs and blocked 5 or 6 shots without fouling or being a great leaper. He didn't sit down in the post because they were fronting him with one guy and had a double team on the back side before the pass was even made. The only entry was over the top.

For me the "project" part of his game is becoming quicker on his feet which can come naturally with age and happen sooner with work - he is only a soph. At this point I'm not sure I see Big 10 (Iowa was at a game this week) - but he is more than a D1 project. It my be that my definition of project is different than yours. I view a project as someone who has the physical tools, but lacks skill or basketball I.Q.

I would have liked to have seen a Davis vs Vorst matchup two talented young bigs with different strengths going at it.

A few friends had a similar assessment as you so I am outnumbered .

I'm 5'8" on a good day, so my knowledge of post play is somewhat limited.

I think Derek is young for his grade. I wonder how far apart they are in age? You are right about Davis having time to develop more physically. I had an Eastwood parent asking me a couple of years ago if Vorst was "still tripping over his own feet" and suggesting that he'd be an average HS player at best.

I did enjoy watching Davis play. Hopefully they'll be back next year. Looking forward to seeing Colin White next weekend and counting how long Wauseon holds the ball on each possession on Saturday night.

 

[irish_buffalo]

EIB won't like this, but Ross taking Waite Indians to the shed could jumpstart the Little Giants. I'll take any form of confidence builder, Ha! even if one disagrees because it was winless WHS

He must be on sabbatical or something? He goes on walks sometimes and will not come back for days. The saying "all who wander are not lost" applies to him I think. Probably arguing string theory with an Oak Tree just for the sake of arguing.

 

[PburgFan2212]

I'm 5'8" on a good day, so my knowledge of post play is somewhat limited.

I think Derek is young for his grade. I wonder how far apart they are in age? You are right about Davis having time to develop more physically. I had an Eastwood parent asking me a couple of years ago if Vorst was "still tripping over his own feet" and suggesting that he'd be an average HS player at best.

I did enjoy watching Davis play. Hopefully they'll be back next year. Looking forward to seeing Colin White next weekend and counting how long Wauseon holds the ball on each possession on Saturday night.

That's funny......I remember Rossford beating nearly everyone by 50 every game "a couple years ago". And Vorst was a big part of that.

He has had some knee "issues". I believe he was almost growing too fast and his knees weren't handling it well. Seems ok now. No braces or anything.