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Redandgold

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Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
 
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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Trump isn't in office. This is all Brandon.
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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Tell your teacher "he she" does not know what "they them" are talking about and if "him hers" had a brain they would not put such crap in your head.
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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Impressive level of conjecture lol.
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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What evidence do you have for stating this? The FACT remains that the last big chunk of Ukraine that Putin stole was when Obama was POTUS. Or did you forget about the Crimea.

If NATO is destroyed because of the Ukraine then it deserves to go the way of the dinosaurs. In fact I would love to hear a compelling argument in favor of NATO today?

As for some elements of the GOP supporting Biden here, why are you surprised? There still is a strong pro-war, remake the world in our image, neocon undercurrent in the republican party. Unfortunately Trump wasn't able to destroy it completely and like mold it comes back.

As for Trump's response? Well he argued long and hard for Germany not to become hopelessly dependent on Russian natural gas. But the Germans ignored him and the Biden administration facilitated the German dependence. Now whether the Germans freeze during the winter is up to Putin.
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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you sir , have NO FRICKING IDEA what you are talking about it....
 
lotr10 said:
What evidence do you have for stating this? The FACT remains that the last big chunk of Ukraine that Putin stole was when Obama was POTUS. Or did you forget about the Crimea.

If NATO is destroyed because of the Ukraine then it deserves to go the way of the dinosaurs. In fact I would love to hear a compelling argument in favor of NATO today?

As for some elements of the GOP supporting Biden here, why are you surprised? There still is a strong pro-war, remake the world in our image, neocon undercurrent in the republican party. Unfortunately Trump wasn't able to destroy it completely and like mold it comes back.

As for Trump's response? Well he argued long and hard for Germany not to become hopelessly dependent on Russian natural gas. But the Germans ignored him and the Biden administration facilitated the German dependence. Now whether the Germans freeze during the winter is up to Putin.
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he is just throwing crap at the wall......he probably doesn't even know that Obama was President at one time...
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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Good lord ?????

Yeah the guy sending weapons to Ukraine was indifferent to them being overrun ?

How is asking NATO countries to pay their share "the destruction of NATO"?
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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You might be right. We do know that in 2014 Putin invaded and subsequently annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine and Trump did nothing.
 
Redandgold said:
Had Trump been elected, or had been permitted to steal the election, the Ukraine would already belong to Putin, and he would be on to Belarus. The destruction of NATO would have been completed, leaving the Ukraine without the benefit of any allies or support. Pretty obvious what the effect would have been. Interesting that Biden’s position is beginning to get GOP support. What will Trump’s position be on the crisis? No doubt it will flip flop back and forth. Wonder if he can find the Ukraine on the latest weather map he’s drawn.
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Loop Trump GIF
 
Gulliotine said:
Putin can have it.

Remind us again why "life-long" Republicans believe we should continue to play the role of world's cop?
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Simple, you guys aren’t Republicans. True Republicans have always understood that Russia was not to be trusted. And, true Republicans have always championed NATO. Because the orange jackass didn’t have the sack to standup to Putin you girls all immediately fall in line. Like the rest of the Cult.
 
bigkat said:
he is just throwing crap at the wall......he probably doesn't even know that Obama was President at one time...
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Hey, Obama did what was expected of a liberal. He focused on domestic issues and tried to avoid a conflict. After all, Bush left him with an enormous foreign policy mess to deal with already. Liberal Democrats haven’t changed, it’s the Republican Party that has changed. Embarrassing that so many followed an egotistical, dishonest, traitor. The GOP will pay for years.
 
Redandgold said:
Simple, you guys aren’t Republicans. True Republicans have always understood that Russia was not to be trusted. And, true Republicans have always championed NATO. Because the orange jackass didn’t have the sack to standup to Putin you girls all immediately fall in line. Like the rest of the Cult.
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But Russia took Crimea when Obama was President and is about to take Ukraine when Biden is President. What land grabs did they take when Trump was President?
 
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Redandgold said:
Hey, Obama did what was expected of a liberal. He focused on domestic issues and tried to avoid a conflict. After all, Bush left him with an enormous foreign policy mess to deal with already. Liberal Democrats haven’t changed, it’s the Republican Party that has changed. Embarrassing that so many followed an egotistical, dishonest, traitor. The GOP will pay for years.
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So you like presidents that start wars...how very Neocon of you.
 
Redandgold said:
Simple, you guys aren’t Republicans. True Republicans have always understood that Russia was not to be trusted. And, true Republicans have always championed NATO. Because the orange jackass didn’t have the sack to standup to Putin you girls all immediately fall in line. Like the rest of the Cult.
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Yeah didn't stand up at all...put on sanctions, sent weapons to be used against them, blew them up in Syria, denied their pipeline to Germany, upped domestic oil production cutting into their share of their most valuable commodity...but other than that ?‍♂️

How is demanding NATO pay their share anti NATO? Were you a log cabin Republican because you seem to enjoy bending over.

Germany is enriching Putin and we are supposed to be convinced we still need to subsidize their defense to save them from scary Mother Russia? ?
 
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Redandgold said:
Hey, Obama did what was expected of a liberal. He focused on domestic issues and tried to avoid a conflict. After all, Bush left him with an enormous foreign policy mess to deal with already. Liberal Democrats haven’t changed, it’s the Republican Party that has changed. Embarrassing that so many followed an egotistical, dishonest, traitor. The GOP will pay for years.
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Yep, November is looking bad for the GOP, don't you think?
 
Redandgold said:
Simple, you guys aren’t Republicans. True Republicans have always understood that Russia was not to be trusted. And, true Republicans have always championed NATO. Because the orange jackass didn’t have the sack to standup to Putin you girls all immediately fall in line. Like the rest of the Cult.
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Agreed. That is simple.
 
Redandgold said:
Simple, you guys aren’t Republicans. True Republicans have always understood that Russia was not to be trusted. And, true Republicans have always championed NATO. Because the orange jackass didn’t have the sack to standup to Putin you girls all immediately fall in line. Like the rest of the Cult.
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That lie is still a thing?

The truth is, Putin can take Ukraine and there is nothing we can do to stop him, except make ourselves look inept and weak.

LGB should go get his chain and prove how tough he is.
 
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