1st of all Pickett sucks he is not average and I say that as a Pitt Panther and Steelers fan.
2nd could today's best QBs deal with the physical beatings that QBs if the 50s and 60s took? Would they deal with the mental frustration that the defense was actually allowed to play defense?
Yes there are certainly things todays QBs have that are better than their predecessors, but the reverse is true also.
Shamefully I am one of a few.Pitt Panthers have fans???
They used to recruit this area hard.Shamefully I am one of a few.
Happy Birthday YTOWN. Hope that you and your friends have a great time at The Foster.
1985 MOONEY | ||
CHANEY W 49-0 | ||
AKRON CENTRAL HOWER W 28-8 | ||
CLEVELAND ST. JOSEPH L 28-31 (2OT) | ||
BOARDMAN W 27-7 | ||
HOWLAND W 21-6 | ||
WARREN HARDING W 27-7 | ||
URSULINE W 30-0 | ||
OPEN | ||
WARREN WESTERN RESERVE W 14-13 | ||
FITCH W 17-14 | ||
*CONNEAUT W 45-0 | ||
*CLEVELAND BENEDICTINE W 47-0 | ||
*STEUBENVILLE W 18-16 | ||
*GALION L 0-6 (D2 STATE TITLE GAME) | ||
*PLAYOFFS | ||
11-2 | 6-0 SVC |
WWR lost twenty games in the SVC?
With the departure of Niles following the 1984 season the SVC was reduced to 7 members for the 85 season. That would only last for one season however as 1985 was the last season of SVC membership for Howland, Warren Western Reserve, and Warren Harding. Those three, along with Hubbard and Niles, formed a new league, the All-American Athletic Conference, for the 1986 season. The AAAC should not be confused with the old All-American Conference that Niles and Warren Harding were members of. Howland left the league with a 20-48-2 SVC won-loss record for their 11 years as a member. Warren Western Reserve finished with a 23-20-1 league mark in 7 years as a member and Harding was 8-19 in 4 years as a member of the league but after the merger with WWR the Harding Raiders would rejoin the SVC.
Mooney won the 1985 SVC title with an unblemished league record at 6-0 and finished the regular season at 8-1. The 1985 Cardinals had a very good year and finished as the D2 state runner-up with an 11-2 record. Unfortunately I think that the 6-0 loss in the D2 state championship game has somewhat diminished the status of the team among some fans. I may be totally wrong in that thinking but that is the impression that I get. Led by QB Mark Pelini and RB Devlin Culliver, the 85 Cardinals were a very talented team. The only regular season loss was by 3 points in double OT to a good Cleveland St. Joseph team. St. Joseph was a D1 playoff team that lost to Canton McKinley in the state semifinals. Mooney defeated Boardman 27-7 and that was the only loss for a very solid Spartan team.
OHSAA had expanded the number of playoff qualifiers from 2 teams/region to 4 teams/region for the 1985 season so for the first time a team would have to win 4 playoff games to be crowned champion. In those expanded playoffs, Mooney jumped all over previously undefeated Conneaut, 45-0 in the first round at Stambaugh Stadium and then stunned even their most ardent fans with a 47-0 dismantling of old playoff nemesis Cleveland Benedictine in the regional final. I don't think anybody saw that kind of win coming. I know I certainly didn't. Benedictine came in at 10-1, the lone loss by 2 points to St. Ignatius, and the Bengals were averaging over 33 PPG. Benedictine was led by AAA 2nd team All-State QB Larry Wanke. Mr. Wanke had thrown for almost 5,500 yards and 50 TDs at Benedictine and he was coming off a school record 344-yard passing game against Holy Name in the first round of the playoffs. In a tremendous performance the Mooney defense held him to 84 yards on 6 of 21, intercepted him 5 times, including a pick 6 by Bo Pelini, sacked him for minus 34 yards, held the Bengals to minus 7 yards rushing and only 3 first downs in the rout. Mr. Wanke went to Pitt out of HS but then transferred to John Carroll. He was Mr. Irrelevant in the 1991 NFL draft when the Giants took him with the last pick.
After the Benedictine game many Mooney fans were feeling pretty good about the team's chances at a D2 title but defending champ Steubenville was next up in the semis. Mooney had to put together a late game 80-yard drive that took them to the Big Red two-yard line to come-from-behind and win with 45 seconds left on a 19-yard FG, 18-16 over the defending D2 state champs in the Rubber Bowl. It was a great game, very physical, and I think many fans thought that was the state championship game. Unfortunately for Mooney fans, Galion felt otherwise and proved it by playing a great game to shut Mooney out 6-0 and finish as undefeated D2 state champions.
The Cardinals had their chances to win that D2 title game missing two FGs, a fumble at about the Galion 33-yard line and turning it over on downs at the Galion 28 once, but give Galion credit, they did what they had to do to win the title. Galion put together an 85-yard TD drive to score with about 3:30 left in the game. Mooney hurt themselves with a huge penalty after the Galion TD. With Mooney at their 47-yard line Bo Pelini broke off a 25-yard run that would have given the Cards a first down at the Galion 28-yard line but it was nullified by a clipping penalty and that was it. Again, Galion did what they had to do with that huge drive to win the title. That was a championship drive. They were a very good football team and they finished the job with the D2 title to finish off a perfect 14-0 season. View attachment 55259
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1985 MOONEY CHANEY W 49-0 AKRON CENTRAL HOWER W 28-8 CLEVELAND ST. JOSEPH L 28-31 (2OT) BOARDMAN W 27-7 HOWLAND W 21-6 WARREN HARDING W 27-7 URSULINE W 30-0 OPEN WARREN WESTERN RESERVE W 14-13 FITCH W 17-14 *CONNEAUT W 45-0 *CLEVELAND BENEDICTINE W 47-0 *STEUBENVILLE W 18-16 *GALION L 0-6 (D2 STATE TITLE GAME) *PLAYOFFS 11-2 6-0 SVC
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College players I know of:
1st team Offense:
End - Rich Flauto - Boardman (Led the SVC in receiving) - Holy Cross
OT - Kimo DeNiro - Mooney - Villanova
OT - Jeff Kuczek - Boardman (AAA 1st team All-State) - OSU
OG - Tony Dunn - Reserve - YSU
C - Rodney Bresnahan - Mooney - John Carroll?
QB - Mark "Bo" Pelini - Mooney (AAA 1st team All-State at DB, led the SVC in punt returns) - OSU (HC at Nebraska and YSU, asst. at collegiate and NFL levels)
RB - Brad Smith - Boardman - Jr. (Led the SVC in rushing & scoring) - N. Carolina & Kent St.
RB - Devlin Culliver - Mooney (Led the SVC interceptions and fumble recoveries) - Ohio U. (Current HC at East, a few other HC positions in NEO)
2nd team Offense:
OT - John Repasky - Mooney - Jr. - Michigan St. & Kent St.
OG - Dave Cardwell - Boardman - B-W
OG - Mike Lettau - Ursuline - Mercyhurst
C - Joe Brooks - Fitch - Edinboro St.
QB - George Beck - Ursuline - Marietta
RB - Carlisle Reynolds - Ursuline - Arizona Western
RB - Leo Hawkins - Fitch - Jr. - YSU
1st team Defense:
DE - Dave Wolfe - Boardman - N. Carolina
DE - Andre Peterson - Reserve (AAA 1st team All-State) - YSU
IL - Matt Keller - Fitch (AAA 2nd team All-State) - Michigan St.
LB - Don Mook - Boardman - B-W & YSU
DB - Tom Pipoly - Boardman - B-W
DB - Dave Phillips - Fitch (Led the SVC in passing) - YSU
K - Mike Pollifrone - Boardman - Hiram
2nd team Defense:
IL - Kelly Fortune - Mooney - Jr. - Pitt
LB - Gentry Matlock - Harding - Hiram
DB - Vincent Goliday - Harding - Central St.?
K - Pat Nelson - Mooney - Jr. - Brown
What is crazy is the vindicator had ads in the cinema sections for strips clubsNo, we went to the "old" Park Burlesk on S. Champion Street, saw Busty Russell and Miss Gee Whiz. BTW, that's not my spelling of Burlesque, that's how it was spelled on the actual building sign.
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The YNDC bought the Foster building not too long ago.
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You sound like that loss number is bad for 7 years. Only 2 lousy seasons with 5 and rest were very respectable. Especially when Mooney dominated that era in the conference.WWR lost twenty games in the SVC?
Remember oe fro Belle Satarrl. Was that a real peeroon?What is crazy is the vindicator had ads in the cinema sections for strips clubs
Goliday went to Wilberforce.
1986 FITCH | ||
MENTOR W 27-12 | ||
CHANEY W 27-12 | ||
COLUMBUS MARION FRANKLIN W 35-0 | ||
BOARDMAN W 7-0 | ||
CLEVELAND GLENVILLE W 20-18 | ||
Massillon W 14-10 | ||
MOONEY W 21-7 | ||
WARREN WESTERN RESERVE W 23-0 | ||
CANTON McKINLEY L 3-10 | ||
URSULINE W 27-7 | ||
*WALSH JESUIT W 26-7 | ||
*CANTON McKINLEY W 28-24 | ||
*LAKEWOOD ST. EDWARD L 0-30 | ||
*PLAYOFFS | ||
11-2 | 3-0 SVC |
That 86 Fitch team was a pure example of grit. They had few d-1 players and went to the semi-finals in d-1. They may not have been the most talented but they accomplished more than any other Fitch team. They were down to Mooney 7-0 with the Cardinals knocking at the door to make it 14-0 and made a key stop and then came from behind to win by 14. Few teams would play Massillon, Mentor, Warren Reserve and Canton McKinley for their out of conference schedule when you have Mooney, Boardman and Ursuline in conference. That schedule and their accomplishments make this the best Falcon team ever.86 was a fun season for Fitch fans. There have been more talented teams in Austintown throughout the years, but that team played really well together.
That 86 Fitch team was a pure example of grit. They had few d-1 players and went to the semi-finals in d-1. They may not have been the most talented but they accomplished more than any other Fitch team. They were down to Mooney 7-0 with the Cardinals knocking at the door to make it 14-0 and made a key stop and then came from behind to win by 14. Few teams would play Massillon, Mentor, Warren Reserve and Canton McKinley for their out of conference schedule when you have Mooney, Boardman and Ursuline in conference. That schedule and their accomplishments make this the best Falcon team ever.
It's hard to argue that. No team in Fitch history had done what the 86 team accomplished and no team since has advanced further in the playoffs unfortunately. They played a few of the most memorable games in Fitch history. The 85 win at Massillon was great because it was the first time we played them. 85 team had such big expectations and just didn't come together. The 86 win over Massillon is remember by both sides for the monsoon and the comeback. Walking on that field and being calf deep in mud was crazy. The playoff win over Canton McKinley was such a great atmosphere. Huge play after huge play for both tea
When you compare the 86 team to the talent of the 85 team....it was no competition. The 85 team was supposed to be THE TEAM that made the schools first playoffs. Shows that individuals don't make a team. Watching this past years falcon team which was probably more talented than the 86 team get pulverized by Walsh shows you that it takes something special to form a tight team and it matters more than just pure talent. You can say the same thing about Boardman....the 86 team was much more talented than the 87 team but the 87 team had that chemistry where they just refused to give up any points the entire year. I think Mooney's 86 team had more talent than the 87 state team for sure. This is what drives coaches crazy trying to figure out how to make the team a real team. It is usually the senior leadership that makes the difference and the 1986 Fitch, 87 Boardman, and 1987 Mooney teams had it.It's hard to argue that. No team in Fitch history had done what the 86 team accomplished and no team since has advanced further in the playoffs unfortunately. They played a few of the most memorable games in Fitch history. The 85 win at Massillon was great because it was the first time we played them. 85 team had such big expectations and just didn't come together. The 86 win over Massillon is remember by both sides for the monsoon and the comeback. Walking on that field and being calf deep in mud was crazy. The playoff win over Canton McKinley was such a great atmosphere. Huge play after huge play for both teams.
1987 MOONEY | ||
ASHTABULA W 28-0 | ||
CLEVELAND ST. JOSEPH L 11-20 | ||
FITCH W 7-3 | ||
CANTON McKINLEY W 8-0 | ||
EAST (TEACHER'S STRIKE) | ||
BOARDMAN W 7-6 | ||
AKRON ST. VINCENT-MARY W 15-0 | ||
CINCINNATI ST. XAVIER W 20-0 | ||
URSULINE W 14-0 | ||
CHANEY W 25-0 | ||
*WICKLIFFE W 21-0 | ||
*STRUTHERS W 21-3 | ||
*ELYRIA CATHOLIC W 23-0 | ||
*THORNVILLE SHERIDAN W 30-7 (MOONEY WINS 4TH STATE CHAMPIONSHIP) | ||
*PLAYOFFS | ||
12-1 | 3-0 SVC |
The SVC was really good that year. Fitch lost all those close games. Just couldn't get in the endzone. One TD per game more and the Falcons win the SVC and are in the playoffs. Different style of football then.
Ytown... this forum is great. Thank you for the information. I look forward to reading each year's summary. Growing up in ytown in the 80s I recall many of these names. Good stuff!
A lot of those wins were over really good teams too. Every SVC game that year was a battle. Mooney's 14-0 win over Ursuline was the largest spread of any SVC games that year I believe.I believe the 1987 SVC teams posted a 26-7 OOC record including the D3 state title and the D1-runner up finish.
You are welcome sir.
A lot of those wins were over really good teams too. Every SVC game that year was a battle. Mooney's 14-0 win over Ursuline was the largest spread of any SVC games that year I believe.
1988 MOONEY | |||
ASHTABULA W 22-0 | |||
EAST W 24-6 | |||
FITCH W 14-7 | |||
CLEVELAND ST. JOSEPH L 0-14 | |||
CANTON McKINLEY L 12-21 | |||
BOARDMAN W 27-24 (OT) | |||
AKRON ST. VINCENT-MARY W 24-7 | |||
CINCINNATI ST. XAVIER W 37-0 | |||
URSULINE L 20-21 (OT) | |||
CHANEY W 31-0 | |||
*CAMPBELL W 10-7 (OT) | |||
*AKRON ST. VINCENT-MARY L 0-17 | |||
*PLAYOFFS | |||
8-4 | 2-1 SVC |
1988 FITCH | ||||
CHANEY W 28-16 | ||||
MENTOR W 28-12 | ||||
MOONEY L 7-14 | ||||
CLEVELAND GLENVILLE W 41-0 | ||||
Massillon W 20-19*** | ||||
URSULINE W 9-6 | ||||
BROOKE, W.VA. W 17-0 | ||||
WARREN WESTERN RESERVE L 20-21 (OT) | ||||
BOARDMAN W 26-6 | ||||
EAST W 27-0 | ||||
***(JEFF WILKINS 42 YARD FG WITH NO TIME LEFT) | ||||
8-2 | 2-1 SVC |
1988 URSULINE | ||
NORTON W 42-20 | ||
CINCINNATI MOELLER L 7-14 | ||
KENT ROOSEVELT W 14-0 | ||
CHANEY W 14-6 | ||
ERIE CATHEDRAL PREP T 7-7 | ||
FITCH L 6-9 | ||
BOARDMAN W 21-0 | ||
HUBBARD W 36-0 | ||
MOONEY W 21-20 (OT) | ||
STRUTHERS W 48-7 | ||
7-2-1 | 2-1 SVC |