Elder Wrestling 2024-2025

sparking a question. Who is Elder Top 5 wrestlers of all time
I’m assuming all 5 are after the year 2000
Nick
Orlando
Konner
Antonio
Austin
I'll do you two better: the seven Panther grapplers with the most victories all time are:
(1) Konner Lambers - 166 and counting;
(2) Austin Murphy '18 - 155;
(3) Nick Spatola '01 - 142;
(4) Tommy Pretty '08 - 128;
(5)-(6) Antonio McCloud '18 and William Doepker '20 - 124;
(7) Orlando Scales '09 - 122.
 
sparking a question. Who is Elder Top 5 wrestlers of all time
I’m assuming all 5 are after the year 2000
Nick
Orlando
Konner
Antonio
Austin
Elderstatechamp,

Nice list but if I could add a few people with a bit of info to your list here you are:

Dave Schuler - first State Champ (1973) in school history. Multiple state qualifier and it was not double elimination back then so if you lost to the guy who finished 3rd you never got to wrestle back. He may not have as many wins but back then kids were lucky to wrestle maybe 30 matches a year.

Steve Klumb - State Runner Up (1983). Also a multiple state qualifier and was not double elimination so he lost to a guy by 1 point who ended up 3rd. Same with total matches on season. Funny story, the guy he lost to his Jr year from St Eds by 1 point is the same guy he lost to in the State finals in overtime (got screwed by a Cleveland official who favored his kid, they don't allow that anymore, officials doing kids from their area in the finals).

Ian Korb - State Runner Up (2011) and a 3x state placer, right now only 3 people to my knowledge in school history have done it (Spatola, Scales and Krob but I could be wrong). Korb was only a 3 year starter so he did not get any varsity wins as a freshman (team that year took 8 guys to the state meet and was the most up till then, I think it has been matched since).

Kevin Hyland - State Runner Up (2011) and a 2x state placer. Lost in the State finals 1-0.

Rock Johnson - State Runner Up (2012) and also a 2x state placer. Lost in State finals 3-2

Sean Jameson - State Runner Up (2006) and also a 2x state placer. Lost in the finals on injury default and he was winning the match in the 3rd period. **** this was Orlando Scales freshman year so obviously he was not the starter, so Orlando put up the numbers he did in just 3 years of varsity competition. I would say we had two of the top 215 pounders in the state that year in our own wrestling room.

And Panther on the Porch added Tommy Pretty to the list in his post. He was a State Champ and 2x state placer as well

I am not sure where POTP gets his information on total career wins (used to be on the archived site but it was snatched off the webs site by someone a while back, that info was very valuable) but if he knows that info for the above wrestlers, please post it. I would be interested in seeing where they fall on the career wins list.

**A side note, I believe Dave Schuler had less than 10 losses his whole high school career which back in the 70's was extremely impressive. I think when you speak Elder Wrestling history his name has to be mentioned in every conversation. This is just my opinion though.
 
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Good morning, Coach! Since Elderstatechamps2020 asked for the "Top 5" I just listed the top seven in career wins. If by Top 5 he meant the 5 Greatest that of course is a different question, and all of those guys have to be in such a conversation (but any such conversation begins with Scales).
Steve Klumb - 77-15
Ian Korb - 110-14
Kevin Hyland - 96-22
Rock Johnson - 67-14
Sean Jameson - 73-18
For a list of career leaders by winning percentage (50+ matches) see post #273 from Coach Roush in the 2022-2023 wrestling thread.
Maybe he can post an updated list after the season.
 
Elderstatechamp,

Nice list but if I could add a few people with a bit of info to your list here you are:

Dave Schuler - first State Champ (1973) in school history. Multiple state qualifier and it was not double elimination back then so if you lost to the guy who finished 3rd you never got to wrestle back. He may not have as many wins but back then kids were lucky to wrestle maybe 30 matches a year.

Steve Klumb - State Runner Up (1983). Also a multiple state qualifier and was not double elimination so he lost to a guy by 1 point who ended up 3rd. Same with total matches on season. Funny story, the guy he lost to his Jr year from St Eds by 1 point is the same guy he lost to in the State finals in overtime (got screwed by a Cleveland official who favored his kid, they don't allow that anymore, officials doing kids from their area in the finals).

Ian Korb - State Runner Up (2011) and a 3x state placer, right now only 3 people to my knowledge in school history have done it (Spatola, Scales and Krob but I could be wrong). Korb was only a 3 year starter so he did not get any varsity wins as a freshman (team that year took 8 guys to the state meet and was the most up till then, I think it has been matched since).

Kevin Hyland - State Runner Up (2011) and a 2x state placer. Lost in the State finals 1-0.

Rock Johnson - State Runner Up (2012) and also a 2x state placer. Lost in State finals 3-2

Sean Jameson - State Runner Up (2006) and also a 2x state placer. Lost in the finals on injury default and he was winning the match in the 3rd period. **** this was Orlando Scales freshman year so obviously he was not the starter, so Orlando put up the numbers he did in just 3 years of varsity competition. I would say we had two of the top 215 pounders in the state that year in our own wrestling room.

And Panther on the Porch added Tommy Pretty to the list in his post. He was a State Champ and 2x state placer as well

I am not sure where POTP gets his information on total career wins (used to be on the archived site but it was snatched off the webs site by someone a while back, that info was very valuable) but if he knows that info for the above wrestlers, please post it. I would be interested in seeing where they fall on the career wins list.

**A side note, I believe Dave Schuler had less than 10 losses his whole high school career which back in the 70's was extremely impressive. I think when you speak Elder Wrestling history his name has to be mentioned in every conversation. This is just my opinion though.
Where would Scott Smith land on a list of Elder’s top wrestlers? I seem to remember him being a pretty good wrestler. I know he was a tough son of a gun. I think his brother Gary was pretty good too.
 
Elderstatechamp,

Nice list but if I could add a few people with a bit of info to your list here you are:

Dave Schuler - first State Champ (1973) in school history. Multiple state qualifier and it was not double elimination back then so if you lost to the guy who finished 3rd you never got to wrestle back. He may not have as many wins but back then kids were lucky to wrestle maybe 30 matches a year.

Steve Klumb - State Runner Up (1983). Also a multiple state qualifier and was not double elimination so he lost to a guy by 1 point who ended up 3rd. Same with total matches on season. Funny story, the guy he lost to his Jr year from St Eds by 1 point is the same guy he lost to in the State finals in overtime (got screwed by a Cleveland official who favored his kid, they don't allow that anymore, officials doing kids from their area in the finals).

Ian Korb - State Runner Up (2011) and a 3x state placer, right now only 3 people to my knowledge in school history have done it (Spatola, Scales and Krob but I could be wrong). Korb was only a 3 year starter so he did not get any varsity wins as a freshman (team that year took 8 guys to the state meet and was the most up till then, I think it has been matched since).

Kevin Hyland - State Runner Up (2011) and a 2x state placer. Lost in the State finals 1-0.

Rock Johnson - State Runner Up (2012) and also a 2x state placer. Lost in State finals 3-2

Sean Jameson - State Runner Up (2006) and also a 2x state placer. Lost in the finals on injury default and he was winning the match in the 3rd period. **** this was Orlando Scales freshman year so obviously he was not the starter, so Orlando put up the numbers he did in just 3 years of varsity competition. I would say we had two of the top 215 pounders in the state that year in our own wrestling room.

And Panther on the Porch added Tommy Pretty to the list in his post. He was a State Champ and 2x state placer as well

I am not sure where POTP gets his information on total career wins (used to be on the archived site but it was snatched off the webs site by someone a while back, that info was very valuable) but if he knows that info for the above wrestlers, please post it. I would be interested in seeing where they fall on the career wins list.

**A side note, I believe Dave Schuler had less than 10 losses his whole high school career which back in the 70's was extremely impressive. I think when you speak Elder Wrestling history his name has to be mentioned in every conversation. This is just my opinion though.
It’s really hard to list in order and too narrow down to top 5. Comparing wrestlers from years apart is tough. Like you said that follow the leader crap was non-sense. Even my senior year I was mad as hell to have that in our District. I lost to Sidney kid that lost to Hagedorn ( Sycamore kid). He made it out and placed 3rd or 4th at state. In the current format I don’t think he would have made it out of Districts but he did and got a favorable draw. How many guys had 100 plus wins and State qualifiers but failed to place. It’s great conversation but I think the big picture is the consistency of the program ! All have gone above and beyond to keep the program where it is at!
 
As I was looking at the list of career leaders by winning percentage the other day I realized that at the end of the year there may be a new name on the list. Junior Colin Broxterman won this 100th career match in the semifinal of the CIT. He currently is 28-5 on the season and has 108 career wins as he went 36-14 as a freshman and 44-9 last year when he placed sixth. His current career record of 108-28 gives him a winning percentage of 79.41%, which puts him at the bottom of the list right below Willie Doepker (79.49%). We'll see where he stands after the season.
Broxterman is much higher up on the list of career wins. He has passed Alec Moore-Nash (101) for ninth place and can pass Ian Korb (110) at the GCL-S Quad for eighth place. Passing Scales’ total of 122 is probably out of reach this season, although tying it is a possibility. Now, I am not counting any chickens before they are hatched, but simply for discussion purposes say Broxterman wins three times at the GCL-S Quad (he’s beaten Moeller’s Boston Noland four times this year and LaSalle’s Declan Hutt twice, but hasn't wrestled X's Zander Martin yet this year), that would give him 111. During last year’s postseason he won 11 times; if he duplicates that he would end the season with 122, tying Scales. The thing is, last year his post season wins were three at Lebanon, five at Kettering, and three at the Schott. He got his five wins at Kettering the hard way: he lost his opening round match and then reeled off five straight wins in the consolation bracket to take third. You know that he would prefer to qualify for the Schott by wrestling fewer than six times at Kettering, say four. In any case, if he falls short this year, Scales and the others above him will be there for Broxterman to chase next year and all but Konner Lambers will be within range.
 
EHSports lists 10:00 a.m. as the starting time at Moeller for both the GCL-S jv and varsity matches this Saturday. The Moeller page says, "JV 10:00 a.m. Varsity will follow," the X varsity page says, "1:00 p.m. GCL Quad," and the LaSalle varsity page says, "GCL Championships 1:00 p.m."
If someone can confirm the official planned starting times it would be much appreciated for those of us who are planning to attend. Thanks.
 
Where would Scott Smith land on a list of Elder’s top wrestlers? I seem to remember him being a pretty good wrestler. I know he was a tough son of a gun. I think his brother Gary was pretty good too.
Smith was a tenacious wrestler, highly aggressive and strong for a 132. He had this pinning combo where he'd wrap the head and lock digging his chin into the near shoulder. Wicked.
 
EHSports lists 10:00 a.m. as the starting time at Moeller for both the GCL-S jv and varsity matches this Saturday. The Moeller page says, "JV 10:00 a.m. Varsity will follow," the X varsity page says, "1:00 p.m. GCL Quad," and the LaSalle varsity page says, "GCL Championships 1:00 p.m."
If someone can confirm the official planned starting times it would be much appreciated for those of us who are planning to attend. Thanks.
Saturday: GCL Quad at Moeller for the JV and Varsity. Check ehsports for start time - we aren't exactly sure yet. Hey, Moeller is running it.
 
The final event of the Panther regular season will be the GCL-S Quad on Saturday, February 15. This replaces the dual meets that were held during the season the previous few years to determine the league champion.
At the State Duals last Saturday the Panthers won 10 of 14 matches against LaSalle en route to a 54-23 victory; there is no reason to think that the Panthers cannot do it again. In the upper half of the Kettering Fairmont bracket St. Xavier beat Colerain 72-6 but then lost to top seed Springboro by the score of 58-13. I think one can safely say that the Panthers will be favored to beat the Bombers.
That leaves the grapplers’ return matchup with Moeller. The Crusaders beat the Panthers, 40-31, with the match totals being seven wins apiece. Elder won the following seven matches:
113: Broxterman dec Boston Noland 8-4;
120: Curry maj dec Gavin-Nacho Watson 16-2;
126: Lambers pin Simon Gelman 1:10;
138: Mentz dec Ethan Corsmo 6-2;
175: Williams pin Landon Messer 3:25;
215: Turner by ff Indy Groskopf; and
285: Hignite dec Caden Orr 5-1.
Moeller won the following seven matches:
106: Foster lost tech fall Blackburn Savage 24-8;
132: Florian lost pin Gael Rameriz 0:41;
144: Pope lost pin Hayden Cox 0:50;
150: Carter lost pin Londen Murphy 0:50;
157: Mahaffey lost tech fall Noah Jackson 16-1;
165: Riechmann lost pin Noah Evans 1:11; and
190: Rudolph lost pin Isaac Karulf 3:24.
If you substitute in a healthy Carson Adkins at 144 (15-2, third at Ryle and second at the Sample, his last action) and a healthy Joey DiTullio at 157 (21-5, 92 career victories, second at Ryle and third at the Sample), it seems reasonable to say that they would be favored to win their respective matches (DiTullio has a pair of victories over Noah Jackson this year, 4-1 and 8-5, both at the Sample). Of course, you then have to substitute in for the Crusaders senior Will Adkins (2x state placer at 215) and senior Lucas Stuerenberg (2x state placer at 285). It seems equally reasonable to say that the Crusader duo would be favored to win their respective matches.
With those two sets of two matches changing but canceling out each other, the result probably would be a Crusader win along the lines of the result from last Saturday, give or take a few points either way. The thing is, and of course I have no inside information, but I have my doubts that we will see the Panthers at full strength at Moeller.
Fingers crossed that Adkins and DiTullio are cleared to wrestle at the sectional meet on Saturday, February 22, and that nobody else gets dinged either at Moeller or in practice between now and the 22nd.
Speaking of the sectional meet, the meeting of the Southwest District Athletic Board for the four D-I sectional wrestling tournaments will be this coming Sunday at 2:00 p.m. at Loveland. Eighteen Dayton-area and beyond schools will be assigned to Centerville while the remaining 34 schools will participate in an open draw after being seeded to determine if they will go to Lebanon, Loveland, or Middletown. Last season the Panthers went to Lebanon where they finished second to Springboro.
You know the coaches will be all business and will want to get out of there asap so they can get home and get ready to watch the Eagles take on the Chiefs and the seven officials in Super Bowl LIX.
Still not released sectional draw on ohsaa or Baum.
 
According to a source in the wrestling forum, these teams will be going to the Loveland sectional:
Milford
Hamilton
Moeller
Springboro
Elder
Sycamore
Walnut Hills
Winton Woods
Aiken
Withrow
With Springboro, Moeller, and Elder, this is the strongest of the three Cincy sectionals.
 
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According to a source in the wrestling forum, these teams will be going to the Loveland sectional:
Milford
Hamilton
Moeller
Springboro
Elder
Sycamore
Walnut Hills
Winton Woods
Aiken
Withrow
With Springboro, Moeller, and Elder, this is the strongest of the three Cincy sectionals.
How do they determine who goes where? Is the goal to balance each sectional equally?
 
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