Dublin Coffman 2024

Some Early kicks

UNC + 4. GA Tech

Rutgers -1 Wisconsin
Army team total over 38.5 over UAB who seems to be quitting on coach Dilfer.
Over 55 game total looked ripe


700 kick.

Louisiana -10 over App State. Should score enough to get a nice margin
 
The Dublin powers that be should consider crawling back to Crabtree after this season, begging him to come back. After they fire ole Duane boy too. Athletics have taken a deep dive across the board since his hiring.

Maybe Stokes will take him on the road as his opening act on his comed… I mean Motivational Speaking tour.
 
thisisinsane said:
The Dublin powers that be should consider crawling back to Crabtree after this season, begging him to come back. After they fire ole Duane boy too. Athletics have taken a deep dive across the board since his hiring.

Maybe Stokes will take him on the road as his opening act on his comed… I mean Motivational Speaking tour.
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I think the Crabtree era is most definitely over at Coffman. The current problems/concerns of the program would probably be best dealt with by a young coach. Cofffman could definitely be a 15+ year destination for a young successful coach. Maybe Stokes is still that guy, it will be up to the Coffman powers to be and to Stokes himself if he wants to do it.

Congrats to former longtime Dublin assistant Curt Crager (WJ alumn & former coach) is having success at Big Walnut the year after they graduate a OSU recruit and one of the schools all time best rb. BW was 6-6 last season and off to a 7-1 start this year. It’s looking like BW will finish 9-1 and have a nice run in the playoffs until they run into Massillon. Would Crager have had this type of success at Coffman if they had chosen him to take over after Crabtree? Probably not, Coffman just appeared to be on the downswing at that time. Now it’s looking like Coffman has obviously bottomed out. No where to go but up from here but it may take a few years. So few programs can continue a programs success from one head coach to the next as Coffman is seeing firsthand.
 
Y'all are brutal.

Here is the problem with Coffman football- IT'S NOT THE COACH, they could have Dan Lanning and would still be 2-6. right now.

- Feeders not producing players
- Players that used to transfer to Coffman are down this year, and maybe for a while
- Coffman trending worse, Jerome trending higher in all sports in Dublin. Scioto is bad at everything.

Tow most important factors:
- A lopsided OCC and Coffman is in a conference that is too competitive for them in 2024- all sports
- Non-OCC scheduling was stupid. No reason to have that schedule setting the entire program up for failure. Look at Westland.

Finally:
- They will beat Bradley and potentially win a playoff game or two. They are still a Top 10-15 team in Columbus. Other than 3 or 4 teams in the area, anyone else with their schedule would be lucky to be .500.

What would Watterson or Pick North be with this schedule?
 
Quebec said:
Y'all are brutal.

Here is the problem with Coffman football- IT'S NOT THE COACH, they could have Dan Lanning and would still be 2-6. right now.

- Feeders not producing players
- Players that used to transfer to Coffman are down this year, and maybe for a while
- Coffman trending worse, Jerome trending higher in all sports in Dublin. Scioto is bad at everything.

Tow most important factors:
- A lopsided OCC and Coffman is in a conference that is too competitive for them in 2024- all sports
- Non-OCC scheduling was stupid. No reason to have that schedule setting the entire program up for failure. Look at Westland.

Finally:
- They will beat Bradley and potentially win a playoff game or two. They are still a Top 10-15 team in Columbus. Other than 3 or 4 teams in the area, anyone else with their schedule would be lucky to be .500.

What would Watterson or Pick North be with this schedule?
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The COACH basically told everyone that he would create a desirable program that would develop champions.

The excuses that are being made in defense of Stokes are contrary to everything that he supposedly preaches.

“Players that used to transfer to Coffman are down this year, and maybe for a while”

Why is that?^^^

Could it possibly be that players don’t want to be a part of a losing program? Kids used to transfer in because they wanted to be a part of something special, to compete, and to win. Plus, he didn’t want anything to do with any of the soft Dublin kids.
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
I think the Crabtree era is most definitely over at Coffman. The current problems/concerns of the program would probably be best dealt with by a young coach. Cofffman could definitely be a 15+ year destination for a young successful coach. Maybe Stokes is still that guy, it will be up to the Coffman powers to be and to Stokes himself if he wants to do it.

Congrats to former longtime Dublin assistant Curt Crager (WJ alumn & former coach) is having success at Big Walnut the year after they graduate a OSU recruit and one of the schools all time best rb. BW was 6-6 last season and off to a 7-1 start this year. It’s looking like BW will finish 9-1 and have a nice run in the playoffs until they run into Massillon. Would Crager have had this type of success at Coffman if they had chosen him to take over after Crabtree? Probably not, Coffman just appeared to be on the downswing at that time. Now it’s looking like Coffman has obviously bottomed out. No where to go but up from here but it may take a few years. So few programs can continue a programs success from one head coach to the next as Coffman is seeing firsthand.
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I wonder who runs BigNut weight program? No way it’s Crager, he couldn’t get the kids at Dublin stronger… 🤣
 
Over. cruises in the early game with the Bears doing the most damage . Nice start .

Larger dogs of 6 or more. Points are doing historically well so far and winning games outright in many cases .

Like that trend to lessen shortly . Eagles -8.5 Packers -5.5.and the Ravens -6.5 are excellent matchups with advantages and good teaser legs .


Titans -2 ( ML ) to abide over 21 against leaky Colts defense .

Tampa Bay at -3 to score on banged up. NO as the Over could be in play. Extra rest a factor as well as Rattler making his first start.


Chargers off the bye with Herbert healthier laying 3 at Denver
 
Road favorites in good situational spots with fundamental football advantages were awesome for us this weekend. San Fran , LA Chargers, Tampa Bay , Detroit and finally Cincinnati in a must win situation in the SN game. Teasers were solid as well.

A lot of chatter here about the post Crabtree era and if you remember it was clearly stated by myself a couple others who knew , that the football cutlure at Coffman was waning and that it had bene changing at the lower levels for a while before the varsity started slipping. Stated many times that the parallels to other programs I have seen go from very consistently winning at a high rate slipping back to more of an average program with some moments of success but not year to year anymore. This group playing this schedule wasn't going to be good, but still thought 500 was possible. Didn't realize the defense would struggle like this and give up some many long TD's . Gibbon is a very good HS back and has added some gears to his game and is a breakaway threat more than he was earlier in his career. But it was just too easy for him on Friday. Hudson had a ridiculous long TD run as well and is a excellent athlete who will help Army who has their best team in a long time this season.

Stokes couldn't have known what the locals here could sense. That things weren't going to be quite the same. Stokes did a nice job in 2022 and last year I thought. He did pretty well with what he had no question. He is a very good football coach adn will do well wherever he goes. It just won't be here. Been a bumpy ride that we were told fans would enjoy by some guys that know so much more than everyone else they say. These same geniuses told jus for years that Crabtree and Crager et al that the program was a bunch of soft lazy poor culture and NOT winning the RIGHT way . In interviews on pods and actual public quotes echoed some of this rhetoric. He bad mouthed the former staff, and never even moved here. He got a very good top level Ohio HS football job that pays well and gives him resources. He just didn't and maybe couldn't have known the landscape was changing and that there may have bene a reason Crabtree despite having a son who still could be playing for him , stepped down. Yes some of the know everything guys here who stepped up their presence when Stokes got here try to tell us that he was forced out by the great AD of our time Duane S. Finish 2-8 and then play a fanatical week 11 game and pull an upset? That's the apex.
 
So it sounds like coffman's program counted on transfers for their talent pool and to have success. That's because they have no feeder middle school, this is a district wide problem - the very top of Dublin Education for allowing other Dublin Schools feeder middle schools but not Coffman.

I suppose middle school feeder program's were devalued when you count on out of district talent to transfer in. Not a stable model for success in HS, and if any of that talent was ever recruited it's also illegal.........right ?
 
Great Day said:
So it sounds like coffman's program counted on transfers for their talent pool and to have success. That's because they have no feeder middle school, this is a district wide problem - the very top of Dublin Education for allowing other Dublin Schools feeder middle schools but not Coffman.

I suppose middle school feeder program's were devalued when you count on out of district talent to transfer in. Not a stable model for success in HS, and if any of that talent was ever recruited it's also illegal.........right ?
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I feel like you really don’t have a firm grasp on the entire scope of Coffman football. Harry explained how the middle school system works. It’s been that way for a while- even when the past coach was there, once they opened Jerome, the admin did not have a good plan to dedicate middle schools to the 3 respective high schools.

With that being said, Coffman football “recruited” for itself, based on achievement. Players wanted to be a part of something special, occasionally (like many other schools) parents would relocate to Dublin to become a part of that.
 
Quebec said:
Y'all are brutal.

Here is the problem with Coffman football- IT'S NOT THE COACH, they could have Dan Lanning and would still be 2-6. right now.

- Feeders not producing players
- Players that used to transfer to Coffman are down this year, and maybe for a while
- Coffman trending worse, Jerome trending higher in all sports in Dublin. Scioto is bad at everything.

Tow most important factors:
- A lopsided OCC and Coffman is in a conference that is too competitive for them in 2024- all sports
- Non-OCC scheduling was stupid. No reason to have that schedule setting the entire program up for failure. Look at Westland.

Finally:
- They will beat Bradley and potentially win a playoff game or two. They are still a Top 10-15 team in Columbus. Other than 3 or 4 teams in the area, anyone else with their schedule would be lucky to be .500.

What would Watterson or Pick North be with this schedule?
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I have to disagree with the top 10-15 in Columbus.

In no particular order:
1. Olentangy Liberty
2. Olentangy Orange
3. Olentangy Berlin
4. Big Walnut
5. Pickerington Central
6. Pickerington North
7. Hilliard Davidson
8. Grove City
9. Westland
10. Groveport
11. UA
12. Watterson
13. Gahanna Lincoln
14. Delaware Hayes
15. Olentangy
16. Westerville North

there are 16 teams right there that they don't stand a chance against. I will give you that Coffman has a TOUGH schedule, and 7 of those games you don't control. But they are just down this year, thats it. All programs go through it at some point, maybe not for a WHILE but it happens.
 
Great Day said:
So it sounds like coffman's program counted on transfers for their talent pool and to have success. That's because they have no feeder middle school, this is a district wide problem - the very top of Dublin Education for allowing other Dublin Schools feeder middle schools but not Coffman.

I suppose middle school feeder program's were devalued when you count on out of district talent to transfer in. Not a stable model for success in HS, and if any of that talent was ever recruited it's also illegal.........right ?
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Bullchit. Coffman had many years with zero co sequential transfers . Some years mine at all average or otherwise . No reliance on transfers coming in . It had solid good feeders and a tradition . Athletes wanted to be part of it and they had more multi skirt athletes . This idea that it was all about transfers making all the difference. is a load of crap . It was consistency execution , a plan and coaching continuity . QB culture but the majority were DFL and Dublin MS kids. Many average contributing players were family move in’s which is prevalent in Dublin because of corporate culture moves of successful families. If you don’t know and are using phrases like. It look like ? You don’t really know at all
 
Just to be clear on the feeder systems....

JH level - Coffman currently has no JH that 100% of the kids go to Coffman so the Coffman HC doesn't get to pick the JH HC or have influence over any of the JH programs due to sharing kids in those middle schools, is this correct? If so the JH Feeder system is truly non existent at Coffman and that is a District wide error.

Freshmen and JV feeders - This is the first time the HC at Coffman has the kids in a program that the HC is technically in charge of and allowed influence over ?

Just making sure everyone is on the same page on the feeder system of DC football.
 
Out of the what i think are the 13 most interesting games this week in CO big division football only 2 of them have a Louie line in the single digits. Davidson at Liberty is the game of the week with Davidson a 1 point fav . Westerville Central Central Crossing shows winless Central a 5 point choice over CC . It’s only interesting because WC is going for its first W.
Parity simply doesn’t exist anymore . Clear divisions of power. On the road so
just going to get as many games in

Week 9

Canal Winchester -22 at Lancaster - These programs should be a bit closer to each other
I’ll grab the Gales to cover which the way it’s going this year they will get killed. Sorry Gales. 😆

CW. 31 Gales 12
 
Week 9 cont.

Westerville Central-5 at CC

Warhawks hitting hard times in the post short post Morrison era . Just aren’t able to get too many W’s. They can’t miss this chance .

WC. 16. CC. 9

UA. - 23 Coffman

Rocks hit the emotional wall after two hard fought league losses . Gibbon has really developed as a back this year. Added a couple gears , is a bit shiftier and faster . In great shape. UA. Defense taking some hits the past two weeks giving up 48 points . They had been very solid overall . Orange and Liberty have more consistent offenses than Coffman . Made the line 19. That’s 4 points of value I will take

UA 31 Coffman. 14.
 
Speaking of teams needing a win like blood ( WV). UTEP a sad sack of a team got us off to a good start beating fellow sad sack FIU . Line was off a bit . They got the W.

East Carolina just gave up 360 yards rushing to a Charlotte. Charlotte ran for only 64 yards vs. Rice . Army has been very profitable for us this year. They may run for days here vs. the Pirates.
Laying 15 was a bargain.


Dallas and Troy are going to cash our UNDER season win totals . Miami is going OVER . The Canes are living right and are talented. Laying 5 at disappointing Louisville is valuable line wise. Canes should show up and win by at least a TD.

Week 9 cont.

Darby -24 at YOTW

The need a wi like blood bowl. No joy in the Ye Olde village this season after a brief uptick. Darby has played a quality schedule and isn’t at the same previous level as a program. Laying 24 ? A few too many


Darby 34. YOTW 14
 
Great Day said:
Just to be clear on the feeder systems....

JH level - Coffman currently has no JH that 100% of the kids go to Coffman so the Coffman HC doesn't get to pick the JH HC or have influence over any of the JH programs due to sharing kids in those middle schools, is this correct? If so the JH Feeder system is truly non existent at Coffman and that is a District wide error.

Freshmen and JV feeders - This is the first time the HC at Coffman has the kids in a program that the HC is technically in charge of and allowed influence over ?

Just making sure everyone is on the same page on the feeder system of DC football.
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Huh? How are you making sure? Yet you aren’t sure?

Do you read responses, or just keep asking questions?
Great Day said:
Just to be clear on the feeder systems....

JH level - Coffman currently has no JH that 100% of the kids go to Coffman so the Coffman HC doesn't get to pick the JH HC or have influence over any of the JH programs due to sharing kids in those middle schools, is this correct? If so the JH Feeder system is truly non existent at Coffman and that is a District wide error.

Freshmen and JV feeders - This is the first time the HC at Coffman has the kids in a program that the HC is technically in charge of and allowed influence over ?

Just making sure everyone is on the same page on the feeder system of DC football.
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I’m not sure that anyone is one the same page as you.
 
thisisinsane said:
Huh? How are you making sure? Yet you aren’t sure?

Do you read responses, or just keep asking questions?

I’m not sure that anyone is one the same page as you.
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Just wanted to here the DC experts admit that there is an issue with the feeder system in the district. The fact that a varsity HC has no say in a middle school program isn't ideal for a program. I hope that changes in the future, in my opinion it would help any program.
 
Great Day said:
Just wanted to hear the DC experts admit that there is an issue with the feeder system in the district. The fact that a varsity HC has no say in a middle school program isn't ideal for a program. I hope that changes in the future, in my opinion it would help any program.
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I agree with you. It has been that way in Dublin since Jerome opened, which was during the former coach’s tenure as well. So he dealt with it too but somehow managed to never have a season of below 6-4 in 20 years. What a weak culture that was. I’m so much happier for the community and kids now that Stokes has enriched the “culture”.
 
Great Day said:
Just wanted to here the DC experts admit that there is an issue with the feeder system in the district. The fact that a varsity HC has no say in a middle school program isn't ideal for a program. I hope that changes in the future, in my opinion it would help any program.
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It definitely is a negative but I would guess there are other schools who deal with a similar issue. Columbus Public high schools I’d guess have similar issues or the head coaches have little to no interaction with the middle school coaches. Obviously Coffman is playing a far more difficult schedule vs programs that have their high school and middle school football programs aligned.

I would think it could work; apparently it did to some degree with the prior coaching staff. If the Coffman & Jerome coaches agreed to have the middle school run the same base defense and base offense with the same terminology. Growing up & playing at West Jefferson, the same offense was run from 3rd grade in peewee football, thru middle school and onto high school with the same numbering system, terminology, formations, the same basic techniques for each position and the same base defense. It’s a big advantage.

The one big concern I would have is the continuity within and amongst the players. It’s an edge to know, hey we beat ____ in 7th, 8th grade and we know we will find a way to do so again this year. Guys know so & so is probably going to be at this position so if I want to play I better figure out how to play ___ position. With so much movement of kids going from one school to another this obviously isn’t quite the same in today’s world but I 100% believe it gave us an edge.

Coffman will figure it out but it may get a bit worse before it gets better.
 
Week 9. Cont.

Gahanna -15. Grove City

GC is a decent team and punishes weaker teams no doubt . Did lose to NA however . Step up in class last week showed them compete pretty well actually . Still lost by 21 . Gahanna defense is becoming very solid ., GC laid it on the line last week and maybe they are at a deficit emotionally here

Gahanna 30. Grove City 13
 
Week 9 cont.

Davidson -1 at. Liberty

Coffman scored 14 last week and left some points on the field. Davidson won’t be running wild this week and probably won’t be completing long passes down the field in the same way . Huge game for league implications. Should be a close competitive game . Both clubs off of no heavy lifting drama free games. Tossup


Liberty 27 Davidson 22
 
Great Day said:
If your address doesn't matter and kids truly have 100% freedom to go to whatever HS they want that could be a huge advantage. Are all the multiple HS school districts operating like this in Columbus, kind of a free for all setting to go where you want ?
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Should this then make Dublin Coffman "Open Enrollment", opening them up to "competitive balance"? Or is compiling a "history of success" not really a concern for Dublin Coffman ? :unsure:
 
At least we all agree that the feeder system at DC isn't what it should be.

My discussion on feeder JH feeders has nothing to do with who the coach is but since it keeps being brought up, does the current coach have the same talent that the past coach had during their tenure?

Coffman was just in the regional finals under the current staff, what is the farthest they made it in the past?
 
Week 9 cont

Berlin -25 at Marysville-

Look ahead for the Bears ? Monarchs have improved a bit .

Bears 35. Marysville 12

Pick North -26 at New Albany

Another good line . PN could certainly blow this team out . How interested are they?

PN 34 NA 9
 
Week 9

Olentangy -18. Jerome

Big one on deck for Tangy as well Country Clubbers showing some pride

Tangy 28 Jerome 12


Pick Central -27 at Teays Valley.

Tigers flex a bit off of subpar performance . TV fading


PC. 40 TV 10
 
Army laying the number because of the porous rush defense of East Carolina, but they may be able to score some in this one so OVER 51 was a good value, it's ticked up a point or so.

Baylor getting 6.5 at Texas Tech looks decent but the OVER 55.5 is a decent hedge, 31- 27?

Arkansas State + 7 at SO Miss - Back to the well going against SO Miss [Lat week LA Monroe got the easy win for us}

Cal - 9.5 [10} now , over NC State - Cal needs a win desperately and should get it here, backdoor is the only way this doesn't cover.

Wisconsin - 7 Northwestern - Badgers are hot and their QB is gaining confidence. Badgers are scoring enough to maybe getting a nice margin here .

Nebraska + 6.5 Indiana - Huskers start the tough part of their schedule and the Hoosiers are a very good story , blowing out average teams left and right. This one should be competitive and come down to the last couple possessions?

Oregon State + 7 was a go and the number came down a bit after it hit 7 UNLV is a very solid team but on the road here in a nice HF for OSU i see a decent ballgame and the almost TD head start looks pretty good.

Utah - 3 TCU , rock bottom for Utah as Rising is no done although he is eligible for and EIGHTH year of college football. smh lol. TCU is lacking something and the Utes stop the bleeding.

Rutgers - 4.4{ ML} UCLA - Rutgers embarrassed physically vs Wisky last week has a less physical club on deck this week and should bounce back

Charlotte + 16.5 [under 57.5 as well} getting Navy before they play Notre Dame is always a good spot for a Navy opponent, but this year with Navy being very good? Props to Navy if they can focus and blow this team out today.
 
A few later night opinions

Arkansas + 3 LSU - Solid ATS record this year at home with a team that can run the rock vs. this defense, I like to go down to the wire and getting the 3 could be valuable.

West Virginia + 3 Kansas State - Had a nice cover with a Colorado team that should have beaten K-State , and the Buffs look great again today and will pick up another win for us vs. Arizona.

Texas is now - 4 after hitting 5.5 , Georgia money poured in and the line dropped to an even 4 now. I got Texas at 3 and I like them to win the ballgame . Georgia is an underdog for the first time in 50 games for a reason, and that reason is today Texas is superior up-front . Texas covers in this situation 65 percent of the time.

Florida has some QB questions and Kentucky can run it on this team and Florida off of an emotional loss in a game they should have won [vs Tennessee} I think comes up short tonight.
 
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