Average Tenure of Head Football Coach

Dayride said:
Let me know the last time you sent food home with a coworker because his or her family did not have any. Also the last time you had to call CPS for a coworker that was being abused at home. Or bought a jacket or shoes because one of your coworkers could not afford them. Had to council a coworker who was thinking about suicide.
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Bingo, and these things happen ALL THE TIME.

This was a big reason I had to leave...... it was taking a toll on me and my family..... I was so caught up in my students' issues and making sure that they all had what they needed, there were times it seemed like I wasn't giving enough to my own kids. Now, my wife and children never complained or said anything, it was me who felt like I wasn't vested enough at home as a father and husband, and I made the choice that my own children were far more important than everyone else's. I wanted to spend more time with them while they were young enough to want to still spend time with me.

There's a finite amount of give that any one person has, and I reached my limit.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
Ok teach. Spare me the spill. Go work a 12-hr. rotating shift - work days and nights in the same week and every other weekend compare that to teaching (most people have it rough not just teachers). When I was young teachers had to work in the summer to supplement their income, how many teachers do that today. If they think they are underpaid there are plenty of jobs out there.
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this guy
 
The Insider said:
In Columbus area there are only 7 coaches who have been at there school 15 or more years

Randy Baughman Licking Valley 47 Years
Mike Carter Johnstown 22
Jim Miranda Eastmoor 21 Years
Ryan Wiggins Desales 17 Years
Brad Burchfield Hartley 16 Years
Jason Peters Grandview 16 Years
John Santagata Hilliard Darby 15 Years
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Shawn Buescher has been at West Jefferson at least 20 years I believe.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
Ok teach. Spare me the spill. Go work a 12-hr. rotating shift - work days and nights in the same week and every other weekend compare that to teaching (most people have it rough not just teachers). When I was young teachers had to work in the summer to supplement their income, how many teachers do that today. If they think they are underpaid there are plenty of jobs out there.
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A big problem today summed up right here. The country wants our teachers to be professionals. It requires them to have a Master's degree in most instances. Then they don't compare them to other professions that need that level of education, they compare them to blue-collar jobs. they complain if a teacher makes more than they do.

I have ZERO problem with making an honest living working shift work in a job that needed no higher education. But don't compare it to a job that needs 6 years of it! Compare teaching to other fields that need the extra time and money investment that teachers start their career with.

My experience is that everyone seems to remember one teacher who (they think) was bad, and then think anyone can teach. They conveniently forget the numerous great professionals they had. Ask the shift worker to go home and work another few hours (grading and lesson planning?) without extra pay.
 
cincifbfan said:
It's this attitude that has put our education system in the toilet..... combined with nobody really parenting anymore.
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The breakdown of the nuclear family can be blamed as the root cause for 99% of the problems our public schools deal with. Sure, there's other contributing factors, but the big issues we see in schools today started at the same time the number of kids from a traditional, single income nuclear family started to drop.
 
BirdDog10 said:
The breakdown of the nuclear family can be blamed as the root cause for 99% of the problems our public schools deal with. Sure, there's other contributing factors, but the big issues we see in schools today started at the same time the number of kids from a traditional, single income nuclear family started to drop.
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Couldn't agree more
 
dograt said:
A big problem today summed up right here. The country wants our teachers to be professionals. It requires them to have a Master's degree in most instances.
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I don’t believe any school in my area requires a Master’s degree for teachers. Where is it a requirement ‘in most instances’?

dograt said:
I have ZERO problem with making an honest living working shift work in a job that needed no higher education. But don't compare it to a job that needs 6 years of it! Compare teaching to other fields that need the extra time and money investment that teachers start their career with.
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He was comparing how arduous each job is, not the qualifications to get such jobs.
 
serpico said:
I don’t believe any school in my area requires a Master’s degree for teachers. Where is it a requirement ‘in most instances’?
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serpico said:
I don’t believe any school in my area requires a Master’s degree for teachers. Where is it a requirement ‘in most instances’?


He was comparing how arduous each job is, not the qualifications to get such jobs.
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Many/most universities require the Masters to certify teachers, not the high school. In addition, State Law says teachers must have their masters by year 14 to continue teaching.

Yes, you're correct, he's comparing completely different jobs with different requirements and wondering why they are not the same. Hey guys, my job at the coal plant is harder than a pharmacists job, and they make more! It's almost like there are fewer people to do that job because of the educational and financial commitment. weird.
 
serpico said:
He was comparing how arduous each job is, not the qualifications to get such jobs.
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Right, but arduous doesn't necessarily mean more difficult.

To each their own. Some people would prefer the very physical work requirements of manual labor, others would prefer the mental or emotional stress involved with other jobs. It doesn't mean one is better or worse.

I'm a firm believer in free market and personal choice. And right now you are seeing the market play out in the education field..... fewer and fewer people going into it, and more and more leaving earlier and earlier.
 
Dayride said:
Lets see your facts.
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Let's see 2 bits of common sense. Saying you can't get certified without a master's degree is a bold faced lie. Almost every university in Ohio will get you a teaching certification as a part of a bachelor's degree. Thousands of kids fresh out of undergrad get hired every single year as certified teachers without their master's degree. I've got half a dozen in my own family - not one of them had a master's before getting certified. Master's degrees are also not required to continue teaching in Ohio. For certain contracts and pay scales? Yes, but you can teach for an entire career in Ohio without a master's degree. I know several personally that have done so.
 
Ohio teaching licenses are on a four-tier system. The first license is valid for four years, during which teachers must complete additional requirements for the second-tier license. The five-year professional license may be renewed once, but in order to keep teaching beyond 14 years, teachers must complete a master’s degree program and perform their teaching duties at the Accomplished or Distinguished level, at which point they receive their tier-three Senior Professional Educator License. This license is also valid for five years. If teachers continue to perform at the Distinguished level while on this license, they obtain the fourth-tier Lead Professional Educator License.
 
dograt said:
Ohio teaching licenses are on a four-tier system. The first license is valid for four years, during which teachers must complete additional requirements for the second-tier license. The five-year professional license may be renewed once, but in order to keep teaching beyond 14 years, teachers must complete a master’s degree program and perform their teaching duties at the Accomplished or Distinguished level, at which point they receive their tier-three Senior Professional Educator License. This license is also valid for five years. If teachers continue to perform at the Distinguished level while on this license, they obtain the fourth-tier Lead Professional Educator License.
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Thanks for copying the first link you found on google. https://www.masters-education.com/teaching-in-ohio/

It's incorrect. Ask anyone getting into teaching today. You aren't required to get a master's degree at all. You are required to collect continuing education credits every x amount of years, which is no different than any job requiring a professional certification. You can do that through a degree course (i/e masters, administrator's license courses, etc.) or through other ways, like taking a 1-day professional development course, which schools often handle in-house. Teachers get their master's degree because it counts as CEU credits, and increases their pay scale.
 
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cincifbfan said:
I'm fairly certain Ohio dropped it's requirement to get a Master's degree within 14 years over 5 years ago.
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Eddie Murphy GIF by Coming to America


Only I’m pretty sure it was longer ago than that
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
Ok teach. Spare me the spill. Go work a 12-hr. rotating shift - work days and nights in the same week and every other weekend compare that to teaching (most people have it rough not just teachers). When I was young teachers had to work in the summer to supplement their income, how many teachers do that today. If they think they are underpaid there are plenty of jobs out there.
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Yep, and my wife is a teacher, as was my dad, who did work full time in the summer to support his family. My wife doesn’t have to.
 
dograt said:
A big problem today summed up right here. The country wants our teachers to be professionals. It requires them to have a Master's degree in most instances. Then they don't compare them to other professions that need that level of education, they compare them to blue-collar jobs. they complain if a teacher makes more than they do.

I have ZERO problem with making an honest living working shift work in a job that needed no higher education. But don't compare it to a job that needs 6 years of it! Compare teaching to other fields that need the extra time and money investment that teachers start their career with.

My experience is that everyone seems to remember one teacher who (they think) was bad, and then think anyone can teach. They conveniently forget the numerous great professionals they had. Ask the shift worker to go home and work another few hours (grading and lesson planning?) without extra pay.
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The requirement that teachers must earn an advanced degree is ridiculous and only exists to make money for colleges. If you wish to pursue it on your own, or to advance to college teaching or school administration, so be it, but a Masters for a classroom teacher is superfluous. Continuing education, seminars, etc., should be sufficient.
 
dograt said:
A big problem today summed up right here. The country wants our teachers to be professionals. It requires them to have a Master's degree in most instances. Then they don't compare them to other professions that need that level of education, they compare them to blue-collar jobs. they complain if a teacher makes more than they do.

I have ZERO problem with making an honest living working shift work in a job that needed no higher education. But don't compare it to a job that needs 6 years of it! Compare teaching to other fields that need the extra time and money investment that teachers start their career with.

My experience is that everyone seems to remember one teacher who (they think) was bad, and then think anyone can teach. They conveniently forget the numerous great professionals they had. Ask the shift worker to go home and work another few hours (grading and lesson planning?) without extra pay.
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dograt said:
Many/most universities require the Masters to certify teachers, not the high school. In addition, State Law says teachers must have their masters by year 14 to continue teaching.

Yes, you're correct, he's comparing completely different jobs with different requirements and wondering why they are not the same. Hey guys, my job at the coal plant is harder than a pharmacists job, and they make more! It's almost like there are fewer people to do that job because of the educational and financial commitment. weird.
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The problem is that teacher is getting paid because that shift worker is paying for it out of taxes. The pharmacist is getting paid because the shift worker willing engages into a transaction with the pharmacist.

Two professions funded completely different from each other. One is funded by force, which builds resentment. The other is funded at free will.

This is not a knock against teachers, but it is reality.
 
Mikefln said:
The problem is that teacher is getting paid because that shift worker is paying for it out of taxes. The pharmacist is getting paid because the shift worker willing engages into a transaction with the pharmacist.

Two professions funded completely different from each other. One is funded by force, which builds resentment. The other is funded at free will.

This is not a knock against teachers, but it is reality.
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The irony of this example is the science, math and even P.E have to take some of the same high level prerequisite classes as the pharmacist and premed and the certification test we had to teach were no joke either.
 
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