careful what you'er betting on here. when you just say trophy you might be in the market for a new car sooner than you expect.
Ohio State at NCAAs
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DoubleBoots
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You are mixing up my posts. I said I would bet my car they aren’t winning a championship in the next 2-3 years. Yet you quote my post about how I said winning a trophy (top 3) will be difficult and is not a lock.
As much as I love them, OSU had a great tourney and still only scored 62. Mesenbrink, Kasak and Haines alone scored 64.5 and they ain’t going away anytime soon. Add in additional significant contributions in the future from SVN, Barr, Davis, Lilledahl, Mirasola and more and I think my car is pretty safe.
Neither of your posts on page 4 say a Championship Trophy . Just saying....... Some guys are real sticklers when it comes to betting.......
DoubleBoots
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OK TCSoup. You hang on to that cliff. But in my book you are just being intellectually dishonest. My “bet” post was a direct response to the “natty’ post and directly INCLUDED the quote about winning a national championship. And at the time of that post there was no commentary about just winning a trophy. Those posts came later. There really is no other way to read it.
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If Coach Ryan sticks to the pledge, I'll root for this team as something different. I think we are seeing some real development in many of our wrestlers. Watch Logan's videos on arm bars, then watch Jesse's rides. Dylan, Brendan, Nick, Ryder, Luke, etc. have all progressed. Not sure I can credit Rocco's run to hi college coaches, but he works like a dog, so I expect we'll see improvement. And I think Nick B takes a giant step next year. This team is full of great kids and entertaining wrestlers. I'm proud to wear their gear.
Cornell is the other team taking the home grown approach, but they have less ability to use the portal. I could see Stanford making a push to keep more Cali wrestlers in state and develop them. Cali wrestling is improving quickly, and Stanford is a good long term choice.
Cornell is the other team taking the home grown approach, but they have less ability to use the portal. I could see Stanford making a push to keep more Cali wrestlers in state and develop them. Cali wrestling is improving quickly, and Stanford is a good long term choice.
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I think it would be interesting to see what the odds are for Welsh not making a final again vs. Welsh winning the national title. Remember Welsh had three 4-1 OT matches and his opening round match was 4-2 (which is one takedown to none). All four of those matches had the potential to go the other way had circumstances run differently -- then again that's the peril of close matches (they can be lost just as they can be won).
Hamiti will be in maize & blue next year. I can't say it with 100+% certainty, but I think it's a pretty reasonable bet.
In terms of Ohio natives wrestling, even though seven Ohio natives AA'd and another two were R12, do remember that only four were seeded to AA. From the group of qualifiers, there were also a not insignificant number that went 0-2.
Hamiti will be in maize & blue next year. I can't say it with 100+% certainty, but I think it's a pretty reasonable bet.
In terms of Ohio natives wrestling, even though seven Ohio natives AA'd and another two were R12, do remember that only four were seeded to AA. From the group of qualifiers, there were also a not insignificant number that went 0-2.
galewrestling
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You are right, with Penn St gobbling up all those points, it made everyone behind them very close in points. Ohio State was 10.5 points away from 2nd place, so if you had a healthy Sasso at 157 this year, where would the Buckeye's have finished? Very real possibility they finish in 2nd place with 4 AAs, and 3 of them in the finals with 1-2 champions.
Yankeefan33
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Meyer Shapiro comes in 3rd at 157 and scores 21 team points. Peyton Robb comes in 7th at 157 and scores 7.5 team points. We like to think of All-Americans in terms of finalists/non-finalists, but winning those backside matches is where championships are won.
PSU also picked up Messenbrink from the portal. And while Cael has a well deserved reputation for developing talent, Truax and Nagao both underperformed vs what they did last year. Messenbrink obviously overperformed.
MPhillips
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He was at CP last year as a RS.
Old&Grumpy142
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Oklahoma St.
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Did he though? This was a kid who teched his way to a Junior World title at what is always one of the most loaded weights, 74KGs. Despite his lowly recruiting status as a senior in high school, my expectation's were through the roof after that. We’ve certainly had more than our share of Junior World titles, but how many Americans can say they teched their way to a junior world title? Spencer Lee at 50 KG maybe?
He was a late bloomer in high school and wanted to go to PSU but they did not recruit him. When he went to the portal after winning JR world, then PSU wanted him.
Joey McKenna. Tate Ordorff.
Will Betancourt, Te'Shan Campbell are two others that come to mind.
MPhillips
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NCAA team placements and points from transfers.
1-PSU scored 58.5 of their 172.5 points from transfers for 34% of their total.
2-UM scored 52.5 of their 71 points from transfers for 74% of their total.
3-Cornell scored 72.5 of their 72.5 points with NO transfers.
4-Iowa scored 40.5 of their 67 points from transfers for 60% of their total.
8-OSU scored 62 of their 62 points with NO transfers.
Re-scored NCAA without transfer points.
1-PSU 114
2-Cornell 72.5
3-VT 64
4-OSU 62
21-UM 18.5
1-PSU scored 58.5 of their 172.5 points from transfers for 34% of their total.
2-UM scored 52.5 of their 71 points from transfers for 74% of their total.
3-Cornell scored 72.5 of their 72.5 points with NO transfers.
4-Iowa scored 40.5 of their 67 points from transfers for 60% of their total.
8-OSU scored 62 of their 62 points with NO transfers.
Re-scored NCAA without transfer points.
1-PSU 114
2-Cornell 72.5
3-VT 64
4-OSU 62
21-UM 18.5
Mr.wrsln2
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Cael can't win with his recruit's..he needs transfer's!
Buckeye454
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Cael has the luxury of transfers in large part due to his history of winning with his recruits. Let's not pretend this is the first year they've pulled it off because of the portal.
Old&Grumpy142
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Mike Pucillo would like a word
galewrestling
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To be fair, Penn St may have still scored more points with other guys that they recruited. Obviously not as much, but still likely would have had more points than 114
Old&Grumpy142
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it's funny how a 3x HS state champ, Fargo AA, USA Folkstyle Nationals champ could be considered a "late bloomer".
MPhillips
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I was simply sharing some stats of what transfers can do for a team, points wise. Not sure why folks are trying to make a point where one isn't necessary?
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LucMurphy134
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You must be new around here
I was simply sharing some stats of what transfers can do for a team, points wise. Not sure why are folks trying to make a point where one isn't necessary?
EastsideCat
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Must not have been held back if you follow this forums threads.
galewrestling
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I was just trying to add to your post, nothing more Mike.
I was simply sharing some stats of what transfers can do for a team, points wise. Not sure why are folks trying to make a point where one isn't necessary?