Mar-A-Lago raided by the FBI

ProV1 said:
Still have not caught up I see. My reference to google is about the originality of my post and not the political leanings of internet based content. My lord. Biden could have even underood that.
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You are the one that does not understand if it is not liberal and lean hard left google all you want it will not be found no matter what your originality was. Biden does not underood (your spelling) much and even in your one sided view, sheltered life can figure that out.
 

One moment, please...

www.19fortyfive.com

What you cannot dispute is that this is unprecedented. Such a raid on a former president — announced by Trump himself with little official comment from the federal government — is uncharted territory for the United States.

The FBI and Department of Justice have said basically nothing a full day later.

We have entered uncharted waters here:

None of this is to deny that the investigation could be entirely appropriate. But the sensitivity and the climate of political polarization require complete transparency. That has not been forthcoming, though it should be noted that Trump could release the search warrant himself and has not.

The FBI, the Department of Justice, and most other national institutions do not have the credibility they once did and may not be able to convince large swathes of the country even if there is solid evidence against Trump. But their silence now is definitely counterproductive.

Treating a former president in this manner over a records dispute, even if Trump turns out to be in the wrong, could have terrible unintended consequences down the road.

Hopefully those who claim to want to protect the country from a repeat of Jan. 6 or other Trump excesses have thought all this through.

It's to late IMO. They had one chance to be transparent and that was on the night the raid happened. They blew it.
 
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If Merrick Garland doesn’t give a solid, fast reason for raiding Trump’s home, he’s probably just re-elected him

Attorney General Merrick Garland has a clear duty to address the nation and explain Monday’s unprecedented FBI raid on a former president’s home.
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Unless and until Garland goes for full transparency, telling us all exactly what he’s investigating, we have to fear he’s simply taking a huge roll of the dice — hoping to find a Trump-slaying mother lode of evidence at the great risk of turning the ex-prez into a martyr and the next president.
 
Redandgold said:
But Trump’s coup attempt to stay in office illegally, that’s ok? Surely, even you see the hypocrisy. How can you or the orange fool even use the term Banana Republic? LMAO.
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If it had been a real coup and not just a slightly more than a uninvited walk through tour. Surely even you can see the hypocrisy.
 
Redandgold said:
But Trump’s coup attempt to stay in office illegally, that’s ok? Surely, even you see the hypocrisy. How can you or the orange fool even use the term Banana Republic? LMAO.
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What coup attempt are you taking about? This is bat feces crazy conspiracy stuff. Tell us exactly how Trump disputing the election results because he thought election fraud had occurred in several key states is a coup attempt?

I would never be so stupid or partisan to call Al Gores disputing the Florida election results (hanging chad anyone) as staging a coup to prevent the real POTUS from taking office.

In fact the only attempted coup I've seen was the attempt early in Trump's presidency to remove him from office. The special council and both impeachments were the tools that those attempting the coup employed.
 
Gulliotine said:
Leave it to Proderp to throw squirrels into the jack booted thugs thread. He loves 80 billion dollars and 90 thousand new agents throw at the IRS...got it. You can't fix that kind of stupid.

Meanwhile, still no takers on my open-end challenge?

I'm covering all bets {except the obvious) on when Trump will be cuffed and stuffed. A week, a month, a year... name your time frame and price! Remember, they got him this time!

lmao
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I would take your bet if it wasn’t for the fact that if you lost you would cry that you were cheated. Again, the MAGA way. Chance of you paying up is completely laughable.
 

The FBI’s Dangerous Search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago​

Merrick Garland is taking the U.S. down a perilous path.​

WSJ
By The Editorial Board
Updated Aug. 10, 2022 9:45 am ET

Monday’s unannounced Federal Bureau of Investigation search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home isn’t a moment for anyone to cheer. The Justice Department is unleashing political furies it can’t control and may not understand, and the risks for the department and the country are as great as they are for Mr. Trump.

As everyone knows by now, an FBI law-enforcement action of this kind against a former American President is unprecedented. Monday’s search needed a judicial warrant in service of probable cause in a criminal probe. The Justice Department has provided few details beyond what has been leaked to reporters, so it is hard to judge what the FBI was looking for.

The media leaks say the search is related to potential mishandling of classified documents or violations of the Presidential Records Act. If that is true, then the raid looks like prosecutorial overkill and a bad mistake. Document disputes are typically settled in negotiation, and that is how Mr. Trump’s disagreement with the National Archives had been proceeding.
Mr. Trump has already returned 15 boxes of documents, but the National Archives wants to know if the former President retained classified material he shouldn’t have. This is what appears to have triggered the FBI search, but it’s far from clear why this couldn’t be settled cooperatively, or at most with a subpoena.

Didn’t someone at Justice point out that a search in this case would draw comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information before her 2016 presidential campaign? She was never prosecuted, as Mr. Trump was quick to point out. Unless Mr. Trump’s offense involves a serious risk to national security, half of America may see the Trump search as an example of unequal justice.

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This may not be the full FBI story. Multiple media reports suggest that Justice has opened a grand jury probe into the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and Mr. Trump may be a target of that investigation. The House committee investigating Jan. 6 has been cheering for a prosecution, and the political and media pressure is intense on Attorney General Merrick Garland to indict Mr. Trump. The FBI search may be a fishing expedition to find evidence related to Jan. 6.

On the public evidence so far, a Jan. 6 indictment would be a legal stretch. Political responsibility isn’t the same as criminal liability. In our view, the evidence would have to show that Mr. Trump was criminally complicit in that day’s violence at the Capitol.

Given its inherently political nature, the burden of proof is especially high for indicting a former President, all the more so for an Administration of the opposition party. The evidence had better be overwhelming—not merely enough to convince a 12-person jury in the District of Columbia, but enough to convince a majority of the American public.

Then there is the fraught history between Mr. Trump and the FBI and Justice. The Russia collusion probe was a fiasco of FBI abuse of process and public deception. Current FBI director Christopher Wray was Mr. Trump’s choice to succeed the disastrous James Comey, but the bureau still has a serious credibility problem.


That the Mar-a-Lago raid occurred only about 90 days from a national election also increases the political suspicion. Democrats want to keep Mr. Trump front and center in the midterm campaign, which is why the Jan. 6 committee is continuing into the autumn.

Anyone who thinks an indictment and trial of Mr. Trump would go smoothly is in for a rude surprise. Millions of his supporters will see this as vindication of his charges against the “deep state,” and who knows how they will respond. Has Mr. Garland considered all of this?

Worse in the long term is the precedent being set and the payback it is likely to inspire. Once the Rubicon of prosecuting a former President has been crossed—especially if the alleged offense and evidence are less than compelling—every future President will be a target. William Barr, Mr. Trump’s second AG, wisely resisted pressure to indict political actors without a very strong case. The next Republican AG will not be as scrupulous.

Democrats may also be wrong in their calculation about how a prosecution would affect Mr. Trump’s future. The FBI search alone makes it more likely that Mr. Trump will run again for President, if only to vindicate himself. He will run as a martyr, and even Republicans who want to turn the page on the former President may be repelled by what they see as a political prosecution.

All of this risks compounding the baleful pattern of the last six years. Mr. Trump is accused of violating political norms—sometimes fairly, sometimes not—and the left violates norms in response. Polarization increases, and public faith in institutions and the peaceful settlement of political difference erodes further.

The FBI search on Mr. Trump suggests that Mr. Garland may be committed to pursuing and indicting Mr. Trump. If so, he is taking the country on a perilous road. There is much ruin in a nation, but no one should want to test the limits of that ruin in America.
 
lotr10 said:

One moment, please...

www.19fortyfive.com

What you cannot dispute is that this is unprecedented. Such a raid on a former president — announced by Trump himself with little official comment from the federal government — is uncharted territory for the United States.

The FBI and Department of Justice have said basically nothing a full day later.

We have entered uncharted waters here:

None of this is to deny that the investigation could be entirely appropriate. But the sensitivity and the climate of political polarization require complete transparency. That has not been forthcoming, though it should be noted that Trump could release the search warrant himself and has not.

The FBI, the Department of Justice, and most other national institutions do not have the credibility they once did and may not be able to convince large swathes of the country even if there is solid evidence against Trump. But their silence now is definitely counterproductive.

Treating a former president in this manner over a records dispute, even if Trump turns out to be in the wrong, could have terrible unintended consequences down the road.

Hopefully those who claim to want to protect the country from a repeat of Jan. 6 or other Trump excesses have thought all this through.

It's to late IMO. They had one chance to be transparent and that was on the night the raid happened. They blew it.
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How about waiting to see what it was he stoled from the White House. Following a search, what investigation immediately announces what was found?
 
I don't know about anyone else but I've noticed this thread, and actually the site in general, has taken a turn for the worse in the last 24 hours or so. Just filled with the occasional, no - frequent, ramblings of contrarian bullchit usually accompanied by a bloated ego and over inflated view of self-worth.

Scratching my head on why that is, maybe Yappi's home needs raided to find the answer.
 
Redandgold said:
How about waiting to see what it was he stoled from the White House. Following a search, what investigation immediately announces what was found?
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Thanks for being honest and admitting this is just a fishing expedition. In fact Garland is waiting to tell us why he raided Trump's home until after he's found something on Trump. What he finds will become the basis for the raid. Beria would be impressed.
 
lotr10 said:
What coup attempt are you taking about? This is bat feces crazy conspiracy stuff. Tell us exactly how Trump disputing the election results because he thought election fraud had occurred in several key states is a coup attempt?
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Violently storming the Capitol on his orders, not one of his nonsensical speeches.
lotr10 said:
I would never be so stupid or partisan to call Al Gores disputing the Florida election results (hanging chad anyone) as staging a coup to prevent the real POTUS from taking office.
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You’re comparing Gore’s brief legal challenge to attacking the Capitol to stop the the legitimate transfer of power?? Are you getting therapy?
lotr10 said:
In fact the only attempted coup I've seen was the attempt early in Trump's presidency to remove him from office. The special council and both impeachments were the tools that those attempting the coup employed.
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Coups involve an illegal use of force. You need to have someone look over your comments before you post. Lol.
 
Redandgold said:
Violently storming the Capitol on his orders, not one of his nonsensical speeches.

You’re comparing Gore’s brief legal challenge to attacking the Capitol to stop the the legitimate transfer of power?? Are you getting therapy?

Coups involve an illegal use of force. You need to have someone look over your comments before you post. Lol.
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Liar. Trump never gave orders to "storm the capitol".

Complete rewriting of history. Gore's challenge didn't seem so brief in real time as it dragged on and we didn't know who would be the next POTUS.

Coups do not have to involve force. There are many examples of peaceful coups that were coups none-the-less.
 
Redandgold said:
But Trump’s coup attempt to stay in office illegally, that’s ok? Surely, even you see the hypocrisy. How can you or the orange fool even use the term Banana Republic? LMAO.
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That is stupid.

I realize that is what you do in here, write stupid stuff, but the post above is particularly noteworthy in the stupid department. Good job, liar
 
SayMyName said:

The FBI’s Dangerous Search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago​

Merrick Garland is taking the U.S. down a perilous path.​

WSJ
By The Editorial Board
Updated Aug. 10, 2022 9:45 am ET

Monday’s unannounced Federal Bureau of Investigation search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home isn’t a moment for anyone to cheer. The Justice Department is unleashing political furies it can’t control and may not understand, and the risks for the department and the country are as great as they are for Mr. Trump.

As everyone knows by now, an FBI law-enforcement action of this kind against a former American President is unprecedented. Monday’s search needed a judicial warrant in service of probable cause in a criminal probe. The Justice Department has provided few details beyond what has been leaked to reporters, so it is hard to judge what the FBI was looking for.

The media leaks say the search is related to potential mishandling of classified documents or violations of the Presidential Records Act. If that is true, then the raid looks like prosecutorial overkill and a bad mistake. Document disputes are typically settled in negotiation, and that is how Mr. Trump’s disagreement with the National Archives had been proceeding.
Mr. Trump has already returned 15 boxes of documents, but the National Archives wants to know if the former President retained classified material he shouldn’t have. This is what appears to have triggered the FBI search, but it’s far from clear why this couldn’t be settled cooperatively, or at most with a subpoena.

Didn’t someone at Justice point out that a search in this case would draw comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information before her 2016 presidential campaign? She was never prosecuted, as Mr. Trump was quick to point out. Unless Mr. Trump’s offense involves a serious risk to national security, half of America may see the Trump search as an example of unequal justice.

***​

This may not be the full FBI story. Multiple media reports suggest that Justice has opened a grand jury probe into the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and Mr. Trump may be a target of that investigation. The House committee investigating Jan. 6 has been cheering for a prosecution, and the political and media pressure is intense on Attorney General Merrick Garland to indict Mr. Trump. The FBI search may be a fishing expedition to find evidence related to Jan. 6.

On the public evidence so far, a Jan. 6 indictment would be a legal stretch. Political responsibility isn’t the same as criminal liability. In our view, the evidence would have to show that Mr. Trump was criminally complicit in that day’s violence at the Capitol.

Given its inherently political nature, the burden of proof is especially high for indicting a former President, all the more so for an Administration of the opposition party. The evidence had better be overwhelming—not merely enough to convince a 12-person jury in the District of Columbia, but enough to convince a majority of the American public.

Then there is the fraught history between Mr. Trump and the FBI and Justice. The Russia collusion probe was a fiasco of FBI abuse of process and public deception. Current FBI director Christopher Wray was Mr. Trump’s choice to succeed the disastrous James Comey, but the bureau still has a serious credibility problem.


That the Mar-a-Lago raid occurred only about 90 days from a national election also increases the political suspicion. Democrats want to keep Mr. Trump front and center in the midterm campaign, which is why the Jan. 6 committee is continuing into the autumn.

Anyone who thinks an indictment and trial of Mr. Trump would go smoothly is in for a rude surprise. Millions of his supporters will see this as vindication of his charges against the “deep state,” and who knows how they will respond. Has Mr. Garland considered all of this?

Worse in the long term is the precedent being set and the payback it is likely to inspire. Once the Rubicon of prosecuting a former President has been crossed—especially if the alleged offense and evidence are less than compelling—every future President will be a target. William Barr, Mr. Trump’s second AG, wisely resisted pressure to indict political actors without a very strong case. The next Republican AG will not be as scrupulous.

Democrats may also be wrong in their calculation about how a prosecution would affect Mr. Trump’s future. The FBI search alone makes it more likely that Mr. Trump will run again for President, if only to vindicate himself. He will run as a martyr, and even Republicans who want to turn the page on the former President may be repelled by what they see as a political prosecution.

All of this risks compounding the baleful pattern of the last six years. Mr. Trump is accused of violating political norms—sometimes fairly, sometimes not—and the left violates norms in response. Polarization increases, and public faith in institutions and the peaceful settlement of political difference erodes further.

The FBI search on Mr. Trump suggests that Mr. Garland may be committed to pursuing and indicting Mr. Trump. If so, he is taking the country on a perilous road. There is much ruin in a nation, but no one should want to test the limits of that ruin in America.
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Soooooo, just let criminals walk? MAGA is allowed to ignore the rule of law. The WSJ‘s editorial board has never been objective. A very good news source, but the editorial board leans hard right. Always has.
 
Redandgold said:
Great description of the insurrection. There’s film dipshat.
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Your right did you see the film of the Capital police asking people to be careful and not damage anything. I saw them answering questions and asking people to not go or touch certain areas. I sure did not see them using force to control the crowds of people entering. I saw more force used trying to control the mostly peasceful protests across this great nation of ours .
 
lotr10 said:
Liar. Trump never gave orders to "storm the capitol".
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J6 Committee is doing a masterful job disproving that.
lotr10 said:
Complete rewriting of history. Gore's challenge didn't seem so brief in real time as it dragged on and we didn't know who would be the next POTUS.
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Really, Gore’s challenge lasted about a month, and ended immediately with the SC vote. He conceded at that time like an honorable man who realized that our political system meant much more than his political ambitions.
lotr10 said:
Coups do not have to involve force. There are many examples of peaceful coups that were coups none-the-less.
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Name one. It’s not a coup without violence. Stop making shat up.
 
lotr10 said:
www.thegatewaypundit.com

Trump Shatters All Fundraising Records After Biden's FBI Raids Mar-a-Lago | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Trump shattered all fundraising records after Joe Biden’s jackbooted thugs raided Mar-a-Lago on Monday.
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Great, now Melania can get more dresses on these moron's contributions

people.com

Trump PAC Pushing Baseless Voter Fraud Claims Reportedly Paid $60K to Designer Known for Styling First Ladies

Save America PAC allegedly delivered four separate payments to a designer who has styled four first ladies, including Melania Trump
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