bob99
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All true except for the trespassing. No one have been charged with trespassing. Are you saying that Rittenhouse had the right to defend himself when he was being threaten and attacked, but police officers don't?
Tucker showing video of the Jan 6th , that has never been shown
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ProV1
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"especially" means an emphasis but certainly not an exclusion. Duh.
BlueDevil2022
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that scene is at the entrance end of the Great Hall of the House of Representatives. Babbit was shot at the east entrance to the Speakers Lobby.
Your misconception simply illustrates how little the public actually understands about the Jan 6 events.
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS AT THE REAR OF THE HALL THE CROWD COMING FROM STATUARY HALL THROUGH THE ROTUNDA.
BABBITT SHOOTING IS AT SPEAKERS LOBBY ENTRANCE. SPEAKERS LOBBY IS BEHIND THE DAIS.
THE DAIS IS THE BIG THREE TIERED DESK WHERE THE CHAIR IS.
THE SPEAKERS LOBBY IS NOT REALLY A LOBBY ITS A HALLWAY WITH WOODEN DOORS ADDED AT EACH END.
cabezadecaballo
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The officer shot her out of incompetence, in my estimation. I just hope that he no longer carries at work
BlueDevil2022
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THE GUY YELLING GUN GUN GUN IS JAYDENX OR JOHN EARL SULLIVAN
THIS IS NOT THE THREE GUYS WITH GUNS POINTED AT THE DOOR AT REAR OF HALL. THIS IS BYRD IN HIS CUBBIE HOLE GETTING READY TO SHOOT WHOEVER POPPED THROUGH THE BROKEN DOOR GLASS BROKEN OUT BY ZACHARY JORDAN ALAM (HELMETBOY)
ALAM WAS INSERTED INTO CROWD FROM BEHIND POLICE LINES AT STANDOFF BETWEEN STATUARY HALL AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO HALL
THE CAPTION AT BOTTOM OF THIS IMAGE IS WRONG: THIS IS NOT AT THE SPEAKERS LOBBY IT IS AT THE STANDOFF BETWEEN STATUARY HALL AND THE HALL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES MAIN ENTRANCE.
BlueDevil2022
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THIS IS ALAM'S HANDLER
BELOW AT STANDOFF BETWEEN STATUARY HALL AND HALL OF US HOUSE YOU CAN SEE THE DIAMOND LATTICE IN DOORS BEHIND THE LINE OF POLICE. THIS STANDOFF WAS BROKEN IN BUM RUSH THEN CROWD SPLIT AND HALF OF THE WENT TO LEFT TO GO AROUND TO SPEAKERS LOBBY. THIS IS OUTSIDE THE MAIN REAR ENTRANCE TO HALL
HERE IS SCENE AT SPEAKERS LOBBY DOORS TAKEN BY SOMEONE NOT JAYDENX AT HEAD OF CROWD:
JAYDENX VIDEO IS ZAPRUDER FILM OF THE INSURRECTION AND BABBIT SHOOTING.
winbypin
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I am sure some were scared but it's not really terrorism.
winbypin
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Considering most were essentially trespassing I don't think lethal force was justified in most cases. Even if you're breaking law you don't forfeit all of your rights. Anyone beating on a cop gets whatever comes their way.
winbypin
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Pretzel time with probese continues.
Again.... especially was a key point for you a week or two ago.
I don't remember Bob advocating shooting to kill the BLM protestors when they were looting and burning cities back during the summer of love. Now he's channeling Genghis Khan and claiming police should shoot everyone who steps out of line at these riots.
I suspect that Bob is fine with cops shooting & killing MAGA folks. But in order to maintain his membership in the magical middle he has to pretend he would also have been fine with shooting & killing BLM & Antifa people. Funny how I don't remember him posting this PRIOR to 1/6 in response to all the BLM looting/arson fests, er, "protests" that were going on.
bob99
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It doesn't matter. Everyone who was in the Capitol were there illegally. They were not wanted there. There were armed officers all through the building. Mass shootings could have occurred and they would have been justified shootings. There are no misconceptions and nothing more needs to be understood than a bunch of people took it upon themselves to break the law on 1/6. No one was forced, invited or commanded to break the law. That is on them and no one else. Can you justify the rioters actions on that day?
bob99
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We agree. Someone stated there was a gun and a gun can clearly be seen. There is absolutely no excuse for Babbitt to be in the Capitol. There is absolutely no reason for Babbitt to climb through a broken window to try and enter a room that is barricaded to keep people out. What are you trying to prove with your picture montage? There is absolutely nothing you can say or show that exonerates any of the rioters actions on that day.
They knowingly and intentionally broke the law of their own free will. I am all for punishing and pursuing any and all people who committed a crime on that day. You are opposed to that?
bob99
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I will agree with that winny. The DOJ is charging the rioters with the crimes they see fit. I am good with that. Are you?
bob99
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Quite obviously they feel terrorism isn't one of the crimes they are charging the rioters with. Trespassing is another. No terrorism no trespassing.
"As of this week, more than 225 people have been accused of attacking or interfering with the police that day. About 275 have been charged with what the government describes as the chief political crime on Jan. 6: obstructing Congress’s duty to certify the 2020 presidential vote count."
If lethal force were used it is obvious it would have been deemed justified. The one case of lethal force bares that out.
BlueDevil2022
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tell me how this USCP officer permits ALAM to throw fists on either side of him inches away from his head, unless he KNOWS ALAM is not going to strike him?
in this video.
you are the last line of defense between violent insurrectionists and the Speakers Lobby there are a lot of people still in the chamber and this is your defense posture?
I think I might have been a bit more agressive. last line of defense those three guys standing there like Gomer freaking Pyle.
in this video.
you are the last line of defense between violent insurrectionists and the Speakers Lobby there are a lot of people still in the chamber and this is your defense posture?
I think I might have been a bit more agressive. last line of defense those three guys standing there like Gomer freaking Pyle.
gneiss rocks
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9 Feds, 14 Antifa and 3 Trump supporters...thanks that is what we have been telling you.
bob99
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Very funny lotty. Whatever makes you feel better. I have been nothing but consistent. You can't defend your 1/6 hero's so it must be someone else's fault. I have blamed Floyd from day one just the same as I blamed Babbitt. I don't support any lawbreaking riots. I believe in peaceful demonstrations. I want swift justice for anyone who use these demonstrations for illegal activities. What is fun about being in the middle is watching the left supporting their criminals and the right defending their criminals. Are you that so insecure lotty that anyone who doesn't agree and think as you do they scare you? You're ok when I lambast Biden, but if I lambast Trump you think I have to be a card carrying liberal. The thing is lotty is you are unable to look at any other side or opinion other than your own. You are the radical right on this forum.
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bob99
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I don't know what point you are trying to make. I agree with you that anyone who committed anything illegal should be brought to justice. I still don't understand what that has to do with any other rioters who were breaking the law.
bob99
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I see officers doing their jobs. One is a pro with the police baton.
newusername
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Good effort bob99 but there is nothing you could ever do or say to change the minds of those morons. There's no point in arguing with them they are delusional and will believe what they want to believe no matter what.I see officers doing their jobs. One is a pro with the police baton.
BlueDevil2022
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I'm just saying that the image you posted had nothing to do with Babbitt. your characterization of that event was just nonsense. in your earlier post.
Tucker showing video of the Jan 6th , that has never been shown
https://nypost.com/2023/03/12/capitol-riot-footage-means-we-must-ask-whats-really-going-on-with-jan-6-trials/ The recent revelations drawn by Tucker Carlson from the 41,000-plus hours of unedited Capitol Riot video provided by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy should prompt some hard questions...
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THAT IS NOT THE BABBITT SHOOTING SCENE !!!
QUOTE
"disobeyed police commands and chose to charge police officers with drawn guns."
Where did you get that nonsense ? The man who shot her was essentially hiding in a cubby hole: Babbitt never saw him and he issued no commands. END QUOTE.
SHE DID NOT CHARGE POLICE OFFICERS WITH DRAWN GUNS AS IN THE IMAGE YOU POSTED THIS ONE: THAT IS NOT THE BABITT SHOOTING SCENE
BlueDevil2022
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BABBITT DID NO CHARGE MULTIPLE OFFICERS WITH DRAWN GUNS AND THERE WERE NO COMMANDS ISSUED TO HER YOUR IMAGE IS NOT OF BABBITT SHOOTING
Tucker showing video of the Jan 6th , that has never been shown
https://nypost.com/2023/03/12/capitol-riot-footage-means-we-must-ask-whats-really-going-on-with-jan-6-trials/ The recent revelations drawn by Tucker Carlson from the 41,000-plus hours of unedited Capitol Riot video provided by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy should prompt some hard questions...
yappi.com
BlueDevil2022
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bob99
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I hear you brother, but most of them are intelligent people who you can actually carry on a conversation with. The lunatic fringe are entertaining. I enjoy watching them get shot down. When they start the name calling you know they have nothing and are going down in flames.
BlueDevil2022
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THIS IS BABBITT SHOOTING SCENE JUST BEFORE HE FIRED
ABOVE NOT JAYDENX BUT DIFFERENT ANGLE: THUMPER RIGHT ARM SEEMS TO BE AROUND BABBITTS SHOULDERS.
FULL VIDEO:
BlueDevil2022
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THIS VIDEO IS EDITED TO DELETE USCP OFFICERS MEEKLY WALKING AWAY FROM DOOR AND STANDING ALONG WALL WITH HANDLER JG.
THE COPS MOVING IS CUT OUT.
(THIS ALLOWS ALAM AND OTHERS TO ATTACK DOOR ALAM USING KEVLAR HELMET TO KNOCK GLASS PANELS OUT.)
THIS IS JAYDENX VID :
SHOWS USCP OFFICERS MEEKLY MOVE TO SIDE WITH HANDLER JG AT 45:17 ELAPSED
GIVES CROWD DIRECT CONTACT TO DOOR, FREE REIGN.
45:17 THE COPS GET OUT OF THE WAY.
THEY MOVE OUT OF THE WAY STANDING ALONG WALL WITH HANDLER LOOKING ON AS ALAM BASHES THE WINDOWS OUT
(THIS ALLOWS ALAM AND OTHERS TO ATTACK DOOR ALAM USING KEVLAR HELMET TO KNOCK GLASS PANELS OUT.)
THIS IS JAYDENX VID :
SHOWS USCP OFFICERS MEEKLY MOVE TO SIDE WITH HANDLER JG AT 45:17 ELAPSED
GIVES CROWD DIRECT CONTACT TO DOOR, FREE REIGN.
45:17 THE COPS GET OUT OF THE WAY.
THEY MOVE OUT OF THE WAY STANDING ALONG WALL WITH HANDLER LOOKING ON AS ALAM BASHES THE WINDOWS OUT
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bob99
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No one was invited into the Capitol. The Capitol was closed to all non essential visitors. The officer yelled at the rioters. The doors were locked and barricaded. What part of stay out don't you understand? I posted the one with the officers to demonstrate the officers were armed and could be clearly seen with their weapons. You can see the officer who shot Babbitt weapon clearly in the window. It doesn't matter. Babbitt was in the wrong and paid the ultimate price for her stupidity. The officer was exonerated. All verified in this article:View attachment 39826
I'm just saying that the image you posted had nothing to do with Babbitt. your characterization of that event was just nonsense. in your earlier post.
Tucker showing video of the Jan 6th , that has never been shown
https://nypost.com/2023/03/12/capitol-riot-footage-means-we-must-ask-whats-really-going-on-with-jan-6-trials/ The recent revelations drawn by Tucker Carlson from the 41,000-plus hours of unedited Capitol Riot video provided by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy should prompt some hard questions...
THAT IS NOT THE BABBITT SHOOTING SCENE !!!
QUOTE
"disobeyed police commands and chose to charge police officers with drawn guns."
Where did you get that nonsense ? The man who shot her was essentially hiding in a cubby hole: Babbitt never saw him and he issued no commands. END QUOTE.
SHE DID NOT CHARGE POLICE OFFICERS WITH DRAWN GUNS AS IN THE IMAGE YOU POSTED THIS ONE: THAT IS NOT THE BABITT SHOOTING SCENE
Based on Videos, Officer’s Use of Force Against Babbitt Justified
Many lawmakers and their staff members were forced to shelter in place, barricading themselves behind locked office doors.
Babbitt was among the first rioters to enter the Capitol. She and others with her made their way down to just outside the Speaker’s Lobby on the House side of the building. The doorway to the Speaker’s Lobby—a long hallway directly outside of the House chamber—had been locked and barricaded with furniture to prevent the mob’s entrance. Behind that door were members of Congress and their staff, with nowhere to run, waiting to be evacuated out another side of the House chamber.
This is where the videos pick up. (Warning: These videos show a violent act and may be disturbing to some people).
The videos show that a group of roughly two dozen people were attempting to breach the barricaded door. They had already smashed out several of the windows. People in the crowd shout at Babbitt and others to “bust down” the door. The man taking the video warned officers behind the door that “They’re going to push their way up here. Bro, I’ve seen people out there get hurt. I don’t want to see you get hurt.”
A plainclothes officer takes a tactical position just inside the barricade, half-concealed behind a door frame but with his gun clearly drawn on the rioters.Various eyewitnesses have said that the officers repeatedly warned the mob to “get back” and “get down.”
Babbitt nevertheless tried to pull herself through the busted out window. As she was in the process of doing so, the officer inside the barricade fired a single shot that appeared to strike her in the neck.
Rep. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., who was behind the barricade and witnessed the shooting, has since come forward publicly to say that he believes the officer’s action saved lives.
bob99
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True cabe. Your estimation. We were not privileged to be a part of the investigation, nor are we qualified to investigate and pass judgment. The officer was exonerated by those who are paid and trained to do these investigation.
BlueDevil2022
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UMMM. nobody is arguing whether it was justified or not as you see in this video there was a whole gaggle of congresscritters just inside.
what is at issue is "how did the crowd arrive there: who led them over to the speakers lobby doors??"
there were part of the crowd at statuary hall standof and all the sudden they split away from that traffic jam and went over to speakers lobby. why? who started the breakoff form main crowd seen in jaydenx video at 42:45 elapsed
all the sudden a bunch of people take off to the left down the hall which leads around to Speakers Lobby on other side of the Hall behind the dais none of these people knew where they were going
42:45 elapsed in the jaydenx vid
watch video starting about 42:30 elapsed and the crowd wanders over to the speakers lobby doors like fans at a rock concert going to another stage opening or something. they had no idea where they were going.
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bob99
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The only issue that matters is what the crowd was doing there in the first place. They were in violation of the law as soon as they set foot in the Capitol. There is nothing they can say or do to change that one fact. The question is why do you support their lawlessness? You actually think what they did is ok and you admire them for their actions? You do not support law enforcement? I am against defunding the police. We must be on opposite sides of that issue
