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How do they afford the $800 for the abortion? ?‍♂️
You're missing the point. Whatever cost presently paid is still a lot less than having to pay for transportation, lodging, etc. and missing work at a lower-wage job to travel if you're in a state/region where the political geography dictates traveling several hours to theoretically have a procedure.

The cost relative to their personal means just increased dramatically. I'm no fan of abortion, but one big problem I have with where this is heading is it will by default create unequal accessibility based upon socioeconomics, with the net result being more children born into impoverishment, a growing burden on the welfare state, and even more entrapment in the poverty/welfare generational cycle.
 
10th: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
No one is telling anyone what to do with their body. A) this decision has nothing to do with the legality of abortion, it leaves the decision to the proper legislative authority. B) having sex is a choice, if you don't like the consequences of the action don't do it ?‍♂️
They are eliminating exceptions for rape and incest...so there is that.
 
Half of the people you mentioned are liberals lol...You not only don't understand conservatives, you dont even know who they are

All are conservative. Some cower to Trump and some don't is the only difference.
OK. well a lot there.

What you are calling "social conservatives" I assume are the "Christain/evangelical right". Yes, they sat quietly in the 60s and 70s and let the godless Left take over our culture. They woke up in the 1980s and realized they had to get into the political game to prevent the Left from totally destroying the country. As with most movements, it was reactionary and it went too far in the sense that these people ultimately believe that Jesus Christ is the answer, not politics or a political party. The church got too entwined with Republican Party politics and, in my opinion, and that of many others, the result of that is not that we made politics more righteous, but more that the church got corrupted by politics and was distracted from its main purpose. A correction was made in the 90s where the church distanced itself from party politics, but individuals were encouraged to let their faith inform their politics and be active in non and para-church organizations that do politics, not church. And that's where we are today - and it is a healthy place, I believe - and it has been very effective.

But, I view myself as a conservative - no other descriptors needed. When I said you don't understand conservatives, what I was referring to is that fundamental to how I think about domestic issues like abortion is framed by the Constitution. The Left likes to say that I want a "theocracy". It's a lie. Why? Because that would violate the Constitution. I want all the rights that are enumerated in the Constitution to be upheld and I do not want any extra-constitutional rights (like abortion) to be conjured and imposed. I do not want abortion crammed down on the country, as happened, and I do not want a court to cram down an abortion ban on the country. If an abortion amendment or federal or state legislative law does either of those things, then it is constitutional. I might not like it or agree with it, but I will accept it because, again, it is constitutional and would have been achieved through a constitutional process. Therefore, if you don't understand that, you do not understand the motivations of conservatives.

Finally, you would have to show me how I have thrown "shade" at you using my son's military service. That sounds like something I wouldn't do, but lefties have strange sensibilities and ways of hearing/receiving criticism. What I would do is share his opinion on things related to the military because he has standing to have an opinion. But if you served and have an opinion, then I would take the position that you also have standing, even if your opinion is in direct contradiction to his. He had two combat deployments, and if you also actually fought, then I would view you as having the exact same standing. So, you are going to have to get more specific about what "shade" represents.

The 14th amendment has granted many rights & protections from infringement by states that are not enumerated, that we hold dear today. You may agree with some of them, or perhaps none of them if not enumerated. (thereby 14th barely worth the paper written on). But don't say you "believe in the constitution" as if others don't. Glad you brought up the Bible as that is similarly used as a shield by religious extremists (and others) to justify views wholly antithetical to christianity. When convenient.
 
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"Section Three of the amendment, gave Congress the authority to bar public officials, who took an oath of allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, from holding office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the Constitution."

It would be nice if conservatives at least still believed in that ^. Sadly clearly not. Lord only knows what which part they would agree with today. Thank God we were led by more rational less partisan less extreme public servants than we see today. Looks like it's all up for grabs today.
 
All are conservative. Some cower to Trump and some don't is the only difference.


The 14th amendment has granted many rights & protections from infringement by states that are not enumerated, that we hold dear today. You may agree with some of them, or perhaps none of them since not enumerated. (thereby 14th barely worth the paper written on). But don't say you "believe in the constitution" as if others don't. Glad you brought up the Bible as that is similarly used as a shield by extremists to justify views wholly antithetical to christianity.
"Enumerated" where?
 
You're missing the point. Whatever cost presently paid is still a lot less than having to pay for transportation, lodging, etc. and missing work at a lower-wage job to travel if you're in a state/region where the political geography dictates traveling several hours to theoretically have a procedure.

The cost relative to their personal means just increased dramatically. I'm no fan of abortion, but one big problem I have with where this is heading is it will by default create unequal accessibility based upon socioeconomics, with the net result being more children born into impoverishment, a growing burden on the welfare state, and even more entrapment in the poverty/welfare generational cycle.
You don't think that Planned Parenthood will come up with a program that provides zero costs to the woman. They get their funding through the Gub'ment.
 


YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Mean Machine is on vacation at the beach this week but I feel it necessary to interject my opinion on this landmark decision. The Mean Machine is against abortion for personal reasons but I find it hilarious that the Right whines to the high heavens about “too much government interference” but are cool with this decision. Hypocrites! Have fun with this thread though. I will be on the beach! ?
 
No one is telling anyone what to do with their body. A) this decision has nothing to do with the legality of abortion, it leaves the decision to the proper legislative authority. B) having sex is a choice, if you don't like the consequences of the action don't do it ?‍♂️

B is obviously not a problem for you. But B is a natural and pleasurable action for others including married couples with children who don't want more.

But yeah don't have sex y2h, stay strong. Lol.
 
 
The Mean Machine is on vacation at the beach this week but I feel it necessary to interject my opinion on this landmark decision. The Mean Machine is against abortion for personal reasons but I find it hilarious that the Right whines to the high heavens about “too much government interference” but are cool with this decision. Hypocrites! Have fun with this thread though. I will be on the beach! ?
Troll updating his location. Priceless ?
 
B is obviously not a problem for you. But B is a natural and pleasurable action for others including married couples with children who don't want more.

But yeah don't have sex y2h, stay strong. Lol.
So you are saying abstinence is the only choice? Leftists are going batsh!t crazy over this with poor arguments.
 
You don't think that Planned Parenthood will come up with a program that provides zero costs to the woman. They get their funding through the Gub'ment.

Unwanted pregnancies, healthcare, child care, welfare, foster care, etc etc etc get their funding from the government also. You do not want to turn this into an economic argument.

I do agree the government and/or a huge swell in public donations should go to help women w/ limited means seek abortions where it is legal. Middle class to well-to-do white republican women will have an easier time with it, and I'd hate to see it come down to affordability. That doesn't seem especially moral to me.
 
The Mean Machine is on vacation at the beach this week but I feel it necessary to interject my opinion on this landmark decision. The Mean Machine is against abortion for personal reasons but I find it hilarious that the Right whines to the high heavens about “too much government interference” but are cool with this decision. Hypocrites! Have fun with this thread though. I will be on the beach! ?
Another poor example. The Court removed a layer of Government and left it with the states. How is this more?
 

Abortion Goes Back to the People​

In Dobbs, the Supreme Court finally corrects its historic mistake in Roe v. Wade.​


WSJ
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The Editorial Board
June 24, 2022 6:45 pm ET

Can America still settle its political conflicts democratically, and peacefully? We’re about to find out after the Supreme Court Friday overturned Roe v. Wade and returned the profound moral issue of abortion to the states and democratic assent, where it has always belonged.
Critics say the Court’s 6-3 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization is rule by unelected judges. But Roe was the real “exercise of raw judicial power,” as Justice Byron White put it in dissent in 1973. That’s when seven Justices claimed to find a constitutional right to abortion that is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution and had no history in American common law. The Court on Friday finally corrected its mistake, which has damaged the legitimacy of the Court and inflamed our politics for 49 years.

The Justices in the majority deserve credit for sticking with their convictions despite the leak of Justice Samuel Alito’s opinion in May. The leak was probably intended to create a furor to pressure the Justices to change their mind, and it has led to protests in front of their homes and even an apparent assassination attempt against Justice Brett Kavanaugh. By holding firm, they showed the Court can’t be intimidated.

Justice Alito’s majority opinion hews closely to his draft, and it is a careful, thoughtful survey of abortion law and its history in the constitutional order. His opinion takes apart, brick by logical brick, the reasoning of Roe and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the other main abortion precedent the Court overrules in Dobbs.

The central point, underscored by Justice Kavanaugh in his concurrence, is that abortion can be found nowhere in the Constitution. The parchment is neutral on the issue. The supporters of an abortion right claim to have found it in the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868. But until the latter part of the 20th century, the idea of a right to abortion could be found nowhere in American law. No state constitutions included it, and until shortly before Roe no court had recognized such a right. Justice Harry Blackmun ignored that history and invented the right in Roe.

Casey entrenched Roe in 1992, yet it did so without considering that history, while asserting that abortion was part of a gauzy right to privacy that includes “intimate and personal choices.” The three controlling Justices in Casey sought to balance that right against the “potential life” of a baby in the womb.

But their judgment of how to strike that balance supplanted the moral choices of millions of Americans. “Our Nation’s historical understanding of ordered liberty does not prevent the people’s elected representatives from deciding how abortion should be regulated,” writes Justice Alito.

The three dissenting Justices claim the majority has steamrolled the doctrine of stare decisis, or respect for precedent. But Justice Alito’s opinion deals step by step with the Court’s traditional stare decisis analysis, and his most telling point is that Roe and Caseyhaven’t come close to settling the issue.

The controlling Justices in Casey went so far as to make an essentially political plea that Americans let their ruling settle the abortion issue. It was a futile attempt to end debate on a question that touches people at their deepest moral convictions. Abortion continues to roil American politics, and states continue to pass laws challenging the logic of both opinions. When a ruling is still controversial and unworkable after five decades, that is compelling evidence it was wrongly decided.

Chief Justice John Roberts writes in a concurrence that the Court did not have to overturn Roe to uphold Mississippi’s ban on abortion after 15 weeks in this case. He says this would have been more judicially modest and less jolting to the public.

We agree on his point about upholding the Mississippi law, but such a halfway ruling would only have been a legal holding action. More states would have written more laws that would have challenged Roe and Casey, and sooner or later the Court would have had to overrule both or uphold some remnant of them as settled law. Better to take this opportunity to return the issue to the states sooner rather than later.

The political left is making much of Justice Clarence Thomas’s argument in a concurrence that the Court should revisit all of its precedents that are based on the use of substantive due process to find rights in the Constitution. That includes precedents on contraception and gay marriage.

Substantive due process is a long-time preoccupation of Justice Thomas, and we respect him for it. But the doctrine is also deeply embedded in countless Court precedents that have far better stare decisis claims than does Roe. Overturning the Obergefell ruling on gay marriage, for example, would jeopardize hundreds of thousands of legal marriage contracts. That’s the definition of a reliance-interest justification for upholding a precedent. Justice Thomas also acknowledges in his concurrence that abortion is different from these cases, and note that no other Justice joined his opinion.

Which brings us back to the politics of abortion and democracy. The debate will now shift from courts to the political branches, which should be healthy for the judiciary. Democrats made clear on Friday that they will make abortion rights a major campaign theme in the midterm elections, and President Biden declared that “this is not over.”

Fair enough. Both sides of the abortion debate will now have to achieve their policy goal the old-fashioned way—through persuasion, not judicial fiat. Some in the pro-life movement want Congress to ban abortion nationwide. But that will strike many Americans as hypocritical after decades of Republican claims that repealing Roe would return the issue to the states.

A national ban may also be an unconstitutional intrusion on state police powers and federalism. Imposing the abortion values of Mississippi or Texas on all 50 states could prove to be as unpopular as New York or California trying to do the same for abortion rights.

One tragedy of Roe is that it pre-empted an abortion debate that was moving in the states a half century ago. That debate can now resume. Some states will ban it in most cases, while others like California may seek to pay for the abortions of women from other states.

It will take awhile, and more than one election, but we hope that eventually the public through its legislators will find a tolerable consensus, if not exactly common ground. That’s the best we can ask for in our imperfect republic, if we can keep it.
 
The Mean Machine is on vacation at the beach this week but I feel it necessary to interject my opinion on this landmark decision. The Mean Machine is against abortion for personal reasons but I find it hilarious that the Right whines to the high heavens about “too much government interference” but are cool with this decision. Hypocrites! Have fun with this thread though. I will be on the beach! ?
Well it's less government interference. The supreme court which is part of the judiciary branch made it a law. That's not their job.

Now the people in each state have the power to vote. That's more democracy than before. And how the constitution was written
 
Well it's less government interference. The supreme court which is part of the judiciary branch made it a law. That's not their job.

Now the people in each state have the power to vote. That's more democracy than before. And how the constitution was written
Less for the SCOTUS, more for the states. Either way it is government telling you what you can and can’t do which is what you Trumpers cry about daily. Remember the whole mask thing? Vaccines? Remember? Or do you have selective memory?
 
Well it's less government interference. The supreme court which is part of the judiciary branch made it a law. That's not their job.

Now the people in each state have the power to vote. That's more democracy than before. And how the constitution was written
Yes, but how the hell are the Leftist's gonna' legislate from the bench if the Supreme Court is going to adhere to the Constitution of the United States? Their plan for the last fifty years has been to use activist judges to implement policy, cause they'd never be able to get their anti-American agenda through the Legislative Branch. If only this Court were in session when Obama F'd up everybody's health insurance!
 
Less for the SCOTUS, more for the states. Either way it is government telling you what you can and can’t do which is what you Trumpers cry about daily. Remember the whole mask thing? Vaccines? Remember? Or do you have selective memory?
I think you are confused. Conservatives want limited government not more. Everything you listed is government expanding their power.
 
Less for the SCOTUS, more for the states. Either way it is government telling you what you can and can’t do which is what you Trumpers cry about daily. Remember the whole mask thing? Vaccines? Remember? Or do you have selective memory?
You may need help. Is there a Trolling anonymous hotline? Hit the beach, I give you permission.
 
All are conservative. Some cower to Trump and some don't is the only difference.
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The 14th amendment has granted many rights & protections from infringement by states that are not enumerated, that we hold dear today. You may agree with some of them, or perhaps none of them if not enumerated. (thereby 14th barely worth the paper written on). But don't say you "believe in the constitution" as if others don't. Glad you brought up the Bible as that is similarly used as a shield by religious extremists (and others) to justify views wholly antithetical to christianity. When convenient.
 
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Enjoy your time on the "beach."
 
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