cincyhoops
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Most of this thread has been talking about transfers. That’s where my initial comment started.But, because a kid transfers to a different school doesn't mean he was recruited.
Most of this thread has been talking about transfers. That’s where my initial comment started.But, because a kid transfers to a different school doesn't mean he was recruited.
I talk to several head coaches in a regular basis. I have yet to ever hear a coach say they wished they could move up and face tougher competition in the tournament. I have heard several bemoaning a step up.Agreed there would have to some fine tuning…maybe a D3 Taft should have been playing in the 2nd tourney(D2) and a 11-13 team D2 team goes down a level.
I think the smaller school good teams would love to take on some of the big boys and all the tournaments become much more competitive.
How about some sort of Harbin times enrollment formula to keep things a little more dependent on enrollment? Do you think a talented player would want to go to a team with a bad schedule?Let's look at it from the other side. Play devil's advocate for the moment. Why wouldn't OHSAA want to consider SOS or Harbin-type calculations? One thought is that it could really diminish the overall talent level of the teams in lower divisions. Yes, a successful Richmond Heights team would be moved up from D4. But wouldn't any smaller school that went 20-0, as well? I'm thinking OHSAA may not want to use a metric that would place all the really good teams in D1; the rest of the good teams in D2; the so-so teams in D3 and the struggling teams in D4. Though this certainly would make for more competitive games throughout the tournament, I can see why OHSAA would be hesitant. Part of the issue on this thread is that people tend to want to come up with rules that will effect the other team, but not apply to their team. To me, in any endeavor, it's almost never fair when you write rules for the worst case scenario. So, since any suggested change comes with a different set of inequities, it seems like OHSAA is content to stand still and rely on enrollment weighted by CB; which, if nothing else, is about as neutral a metric that you can come up with. It's not perfect, but they seem willing to live by the old adage: "The devil you know beats the devil you don't".
The sanctions are severe for recruiting. I suppose if coaches are doing it, they would use runners/go betweens that have no official connection to the program.But, because a kid transfers to a different school doesn't mean he was recruited.
It is called education based athletics. If you are transferring to a school for athletics, then you should be punished. If it is academics then you have an argument. Do you think these kids that transferred to Richmond Heights did it for academics? What is the point in the athletic transfer for these kids to Richmond Heights? I get the Harris kid is going to WVU, but you think he wouldn't have got an offer being at Glenoak? Where is the next best college one of their kids is going to? Wooster? there is no NBA future for these kids, so academics should be behind the transfer choice, not athletics.So something as unimportant as basketball should lock a family into where they live? Why stop with basketball - we should ask a governing body for permission to do everything in our lives, where we live, where we work, who we marry - because they surely know what is best for us.
Without knowing the full details I think that kid got screwed.
I like his SOS component more than the RPI.....which seems to be heavily weighted toward wins and losses and not as much toward SOS.
In D4 strength of schedule Richmond Hts and Hiland were 1 & 2 Tri Village was 36 and Antwerp was 96
In D3 SOS he had Lutheran East was 1, Africentric 2, Taft 3 and Ottawa Glandorf 6 You can't have 4 teams much more prepared for a deep tourney run than those
Private schools have the ability to indicate a feeder school for their system.Most private schools do not have 1 designated feeder schools.
I think it would be more appropriate to factor in the population area available to attract students.Private schools have the ability to indicate a feeder school for their system.
Yes, but that does not mean that they are getting every student from that school.Private schools have the ability to indicate a feeder school for their system.
Wouldn't the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Elementary school be a feeder to the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Junior High and High School?I think it would be more appropriate to factor in the population area available to attract students.
The multiplier has been 7 and the results has been that TCC goes from 43 to 106. Still D4.So Tuscarawas Central Catholic, who’s enrollment is 44, moves up to division 1 because each kid counts as 9+?
I understand, and that is why the CB number was created. For school that "attracted" athletes outside their own system and benefit.Yes, but that does not mean that they are getting every student from that school.
For most private schools, every student is outside their own system.I understand, and that is why the CB number was created. For school that "attracted" athletes outside their own system and benefit.
Wouldn't the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Elementary school be a feeder to the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Junior High and High School?For most private schools, every student is outside their own system.
But that logic doesn't apply so well to an area like Akron. There are 8-10 Catholic grade schools that all basically "feed" into the 3 Catholic high schools (4 counting the Elms). If I recall correctly, St. Hilary (the largest of the area grade schools) has been designated as the "feeder" school for STVM, Hoban and Walsh. So, my son, who went to another area Catholic grade school other than St. Hilary is counted as coming from outside the system even though he was always going to STVM and was never in the public school system. Again, I don't have a great big issue with how CB is counted, but it a little incongruous when you consider where catholic high schools get their students in large population centers.Wouldn't the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Elementary school be a feeder to the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Junior High and High School?
Most private schools are not like Tuscarawas CCWouldn't the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Elementary school be a feeder to the Tuscarawas Central Catholic Junior High and High School?
The CB multiplier number only applies to the kids that were on last years roster. Not all 44.
It is called education based athletics. If you are transferring to a school for athletics, then you should be punished. If it is academics then you have an argument. Do you think these kids that transferred to Richmond Heights did it for academics? What is the point in the athletic transfer for these kids to Richmond Heights? I get the Harris kid is going to WVU, but you think he wouldn't have got an offer being at Glenoak? Where is the next best college one of their kids is going to? Wooster? there is no NBA future for these kids, so academics should be behind the transfer choice, not athletics.
HE would only be a part of the CB number the year after he was a varsity player on the roster.But that logic doesn't apply so well to an area like Akron. There are 8-10 Catholic grade schools that all basically "feed" into the 3 Catholic high schools (4 counting the Elms). If I recall correctly, St. Hilary (the largest of the area grade schools) has been designated as the "feeder" school for STVM, Hoban and Walsh. So, my son, who went to another area Catholic grade school other than St. Hilary is counted as coming from outside the system even though he was always going to STVM and was never in the public school system. Again, I don't have a great big issue with how CB is counted, but it a little incongruous when you consider where catholic high schools get their students in large population centers.
Most are. Most areas that have a private catholic high school have at least one catholic elementary. in fact catholic elementary schools are much more frequent than high schools.Most private schools are not like Tuscarawas CC
And those Catholic elementary schools are not associated with the high schools.Most are. Most areas that have a private catholic high school have at least one catholic elementary. in fact catholic elementary schools are much more frequent than high schools.
Again, as far as the CB is concerned, the HS gets to tag a feeder school from the lower level and the ONLY kids that count towards the CB are varsity players that came from outside that feeder. There is not one grade school kid counted in the CB.And those Catholic elementary schools are not associated with the high schools.
Lakewood Catholic Academy isn’t associated with St. Edward
St. Benedict’s is not related to Benedictine
Holy Name isn’t even related to Holy Name
Now if you want all Catholic grade school students to count as 0 CB then you wont find any Catholic high school to disagree with you
Which he was for 3 years.HE would only be a part of the CB number the year after he was a varsity player on the roster.
So he counted as a 7 in the CB. Which did nothing to ASVSM in most years.Which he was for 3 years.
Right, and for a lot of schools the majority of kids don’t come from that 1 schoolAgain, as far as the CB is concerned, the HS gets to tag a feeder school from the lower level and the ONLY kids that count towards the CB are varsity players that came from outside that feeder. There is not one grade school kid counted in the CB.
Richmond Heights and Taft are both public.....having public and private divisions would change the fact that public schools bring in just as many transfers and privates3 public divisions and 2 private divisions. Easy solution. Would bring the crowds back to state games too.
Sure, if you look at one kid it doesn't make a difference. But what about if you look at all those kids who went to the other 9 or so area Catholic schools and who went on to play varsity sports at STVM or Hoban or Walsh? Is it "fair" to consider all those kids as belonging to the public school where they live even though their families chose to send them to private schools for their elementary education?So he counted as a 7 in the CB. Which did nothing to ASVSM in most years.
Most private schools have a high CB count. Which means most of the rostered players did not come from within, which is just like TCC.Right, and for a lot of schools the majority of kids don’t come from that 1 school
So what’s the point you’re trying to make?Most private schools have a high CB count. Which means most of the rostered players did not come from within, which is just like TCC.