maybe a little small for the league for sure, but can most certainly compete. if they are going to add some D3 schools, might as well give London and Jonathan Alder out of the CBC a look. Maybe even Zanesville. id say Granville would be a home run but they are in a great league for them.
If indeed this were to happen, I'm led to think it would be a largely beneficial move for those three. At current, these schools are travelling considerable lengths to fill out the schedules and "solutions" that were tried to remedy the scheduling, such as the GCL/CCL challenge (forget the name of it, the "Catholic Alliance"?), seem to be only good for having a consistent set of opponents.WHY?!!!!
Licking Heights under Darren Waters has been successful for quite some time. He left with a very successful recorded.Zanesville going to the LCL helps Granville get rid of the smaller LCL schools on the schedule. Right now I don't know what's wrong with Licking Heights and Watkins - each of those schools should be much better in football than they are.
Alder isn't going to get in a league with Hartley, Watterson and DeSales.
What challenges didn't exist 10-15 years ago? or are recently rising to the surface?If indeed this were to happen, I'm led to think it would be a largely beneficial move for those three. At current, these schools are travelling considerable lengths to fill out the schedules and "solutions" that were tried to remedy the scheduling, such as the GCL/CCL challenge (forget the name of it, the "Catholic Alliance"?), seem to be only good for having a consistent set of opponents.
From a competition standpoint: I don't think Hartley or DeSales are going to be facing the "bodies" issue any time soon. Watterson I don't think would either, but may be the most likely of the three to have that long-term issue. Regardless, there's a great number of schools in the OCC that dwarf those three in numbers but have a product at the level of, or probably lesser, than those three in football. All other sports, those three would stand to benefit greatly. And think of the contests in some of those sports! Baseball, basketball, girls soccer, volleyball, etc. Both the OCC publics and the CCL schools would stand great benefit from a break in the otherwise monotonous soup of their at-current league play.
Consider all of the BW, SFD and BH alums of yesteryear who have kids at the publics these days. Would raise the stakes from a competition perspective, and these three would stand to be more relevant (and as more appealing of an option to enroll into) in the Central Ohio scene than they currently do.
<Not trying to necessarily pick one side of this hypothetical over the over, but I do see tremendous upside in this idea and am inclined to think the folks at these schools share some of my thoughts as well. The CCL is great, but it has become increasingly untenable in terms of being a league that the member schools have their athletic interests best maximized by. At least as a primary league; as a secondary league (agreeing to schedule each other non-conference) it would still be solid and fulfill the mission behind the league, but the schools are faced with several challenges from the league perspective that either didn't exist 10-15 years ago OR which existed 10-15 years ago but the complications of said challenges haven't risen to the surface and become more evident until recent years.
TheDock is probably referring to problems with consistently scheduling weeks four through ten of the football season.
TheDock is probably referring to problems with consistently scheduling weeks four through ten of the football season.
Ready is 7-7 against the MSL these last two years, with a mark of 2-7 against MSL teams finishing above .500. When they were in the CCL they were just playing Hartley in the previous Gold/Silver alignment.Weeks 1-5 have never been too challenging especially with many OCC schools willing to play. The big challenge is trying to find games for the week 7 and 9 slots. Many leagues are in the heart of action at that point in the season.
I think the CCL would benefit from having Ready as a part of the group but I understand why they may not want to be in with the others.
One example is the increased difficulty and lengths Hartley has to go to fill out the ten game schedule. This is largely an issue of not just availability but also an opponent’s willingness to play. 10-15 years ago Hartley could get contracts with Madison County schools, Bexley, Centennial, Johnstown Northridge etc no problem. Now? They have to go to North Canton, Austintown Fitch, Lima, Indianapolis some years and some years they have to ink one-year deals with teams like East Cleveland Shaw, teams from Pittsburgh and Michigan that bring no fans. Then there’s the other scheduling issue with so few league games: the opportunity for assymmetric home / away slates. They had a season recently where they didn’t have a home game until week 7 (only three home games, and one was a club team.)What challenges didn't exist 10-15 years ago? or are recently rising to the surface?
One example is the increased difficulty and lengths Hartley has to go to fill out the ten game schedule. This is largely an issue of not just availability but also an opponent’s willingness to play. 10-15 years ago Hartley could get contracts with Madison County schools, Bexley, Centennial, Johnstown Northridge etc no problem. Now? They have to go to North Canton, Austintown Fitch, Lima, Indianapolis some years and some years they have to ink one-year deals with teams like East Cleveland Shaw, teams from Pittsburgh and Michigan that bring no fans. Then there’s the other scheduling issue with so few league games: the opportunity for assymmetric home / away slates. They had a season recently where they didn’t have a home game until week 7 (only three home games, and one was a club team.)
Another issue worsening the scheduling woes is the Competitive Balance factor, where the margin for error come playoff qualification time is harder for DeSales. And getting teams to schedule SFD, BW, and BH is tough! The Walsh Jesuits, Ursulines have no problem scheduling them but they’re both down and far away. And for SFD, BW and BH theres always the tough luck of St Charles not nabbing them many L2 points.
I’m told baseball and softball scheduling has been hell for the CCL teams when rainouts happens, making reschedules tough.
i think thats a misguided statement. There are catholic 1-8 Grade schools all across the City and some in the Suburbs. those kids don't belong to the Public School system anymore than kids in Public 1-8 belong to the Catholic HS. Nobody owns students their parents will send them where they think is best for them. And I believe the Catholic Schools today probably have a higher % of their 8th grade kids especially boys going on to the local Public schools than ever before.I don't know if OCC schools want to highlight games against teams that local kids drive out of their home suburbs to attend and then possibly get beat by that team and have other kids in the home suburb get the same idea.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree about the wins in 2016 & 2017 over GC Central Crossing & Worthington Kilbourne. GC CC has only 2 winning seasons in its 17 years of football, Kilbourne has had some success but it’s safe to say they are definitely a bottom half, perhaps even bottom third football program in the OCC. Hartley’s regular season tilts vs Coldwater and Clinton Massie - those are season/program defining type games not a game vs GC CC (unless you lose to them).
Football wise Hartley, Watterson & DeSales would be fine in just about any OCC Division. Ready & St Charles would benefit being in the MSL. However for other sports I don’t know how well it works for St Charles, I would think their prestige/ego would take a hit. Like you said, St Charles probably doesn’t care but wait until they go to an away golf or tennis match vs a MSL team.
I was really skeptical about this idea at first but it actually looks good. I would still swap Grandview and Harvest Prep. Circleville and Teays Valley probably shouldn't be in the league in my opinion- I wouldn't mind them in the FAC.Adding St Charles and Ready as full time MSL members would allow Grandview Hts to move back to Cardinal Division. Possible MSL set up with St Charles and Ready joining for Football.
Buckeye Division
Circleville, Logan Elm, Teays Valley, Fairfiel Union, Bloom Carroll, Liberty Union (could remain in Ohio for Football only), Amanda Clearcreek and Hamilton Twp.
Ohio Division
St Charles, Ready, Whitehall, Bexley, Buckeye Valley, Columbus Academy, Harvest Prep
Cardinal Division
Berne Union, Lancaster Fisher, Grandview Hts, Miller, Grove City Chrisitian, Fairfield Christian, Worthington Christian
Worthington Christian in Ohio for All Sports except Football- Cardinal
Zanesville Rosecrans in Cardinal- playing 8 man football
Harvest Prep in Ohio for football- Cardinal in all other sports
Wellington School in Ohio for All Sports
Millersport is Cardinal but no football
Columbus School for Girls plays in Ohio Division.
Adding St Charles and Ready as full time MSL members would allow Grandview Hts to move back to Cardinal Division. Possible MSL set up with St Charles and Ready joining for Football.
Buckeye Division
Circleville, Logan Elm, Teays Valley, Fairfiel Union, Bloom Carroll, Liberty Union (could remain in Ohio for Football only), Amanda Clearcreek and Hamilton Twp.
Ohio Division
St Charles, Ready, Whitehall, Bexley, Buckeye Valley, Columbus Academy, Harvest Prep
Cardinal Division
Berne Union, Lancaster Fisher, Grandview Hts, Miller, Grove City Chrisitian, Fairfield Christian, Worthington Christian
Worthington Christian in Ohio for All Sports except Football- Cardinal
Zanesville Rosecrans in Cardinal- playing 8 man football
Harvest Prep in Ohio for football- Cardinal in all other sports
Wellington School in Ohio for All Sports
Millersport is Cardinal but no football
Columbus School for Girls plays in Ohio Division.