post season awards = Ridiculous

I don't see how anyone could object to Richardson being on any all-county team. Considering that he would start for every team in the county...
 
Oil Filter said:
I don't see how anyone could object to Richardson being on any all-county team. Considering that he would start for every team in the county...
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Yes he would start for every team in Stark County, but he still wasn't one of the the best WR's in the county in terms of stats. He should have been elected as an ATH or Kick Returner if they had that on their election spot. What if they had 5 QB's who should have been on the team and put 3 of them at Kicker, Def Back, and TE? Just because you have talented players in a county doesnt mean you need to make room for them all on the elected team and keep kids who worked hard at their position out of that spot.
 
Just Win Baby said:
Yes he would start for every team in Stark County, but he still wasn't one of the the best WR's in the county in terms of stats. He should have been elected as an ATH or Kick Returner if they had that on their election spot. What if they had 5 QB's who should have been on the team and put 3 of them at Kicker, Def Back, and TE? Just because you have talented players in a county doesnt mean you need to make room for them all on the elected team and keep kids who worked hard at their position out of that spot.[/QUOTE]

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And right McGal, stats aren't everything...yes they are! that's why they keep them! Typical McKinley fan always thinking their kids are more deserving of things than others even when the stats don't back it--then let's just throw out the stats. 1st team WR means WR position. Nothing else. If it's all around play then name him MVP but not WR.
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sport4life said:
...And right McGal, stats aren't everything...yes they are! that's why they keep them! Typical McKinley fan always thinking their kids are more deserving of things than others even when the stats don't back it--then let's just throw out the stats. 1st team WR means WR position. Nothing else. If it's all around play then name him MVP but not WR.
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Well, if you went solely by stats....

QB Aeyron Williams, Alliance (highest QBR)

WR Bryant Wickham, Fairless (highest average yards per catch)
WR Gareon Conley, Massillon
WR Marcus Whitfield, Massillon

RB Jeremy Mahaffey, Fairless (highest average yards per carry)
RB Tyler Lancaster, GlenOak
RB Josiah Moore, St. Thomas
RB Sam Groff, Sandy Valley

although, if you use total yards as your measure.....

QB Kyle Kempt, Massillon

WR Austin Feinburg, North Canton
WR Noah Mallen, Canton South
WR Gareon Conley, Massillon

RB Matt Blasiole, Lake
RB Eric Glover Williams, McKinley
RB Ryne Moore, Massillon
RB Bryan Wilkins, St. Thomas

but then, if you use total TDs as your measure....

QB Kyle Kempt, Massillon

WR Austin Feinbeg, North Canton
WR Noah Mallen, Canton South
WR Gareon Conley, Massillon

RB Eric Glover Williams, McKinley
RB Bryan Wilkins, St. Thomas
RB Matt Blasiole, Lake
RB Dom Iero, North Canton

but, you could also go by scoring leaders...

Eric Glover Willams, McKinley
Cody Brewer, Tuslaw
Matt Blasiole, Lake
Bryan Wilkins, St. Thomas
Gareon Conley, Massillon
Austin Feinberg, North Canton
Parish Martin, Alliance
Dom Iero, North Canton (tied)
Sam Groff, Sandy Valley (tied)

So, since stats are "everything," which stats should they use?

Gareon Conley is on all four lists, Eric Glover-Williams' name shows up on three of the four lists. Yet neither are on the all-county offense. Sam Woods' name isn't on the list at all yet he was selected as Hoover's most valuable player. How'd that happen? Perhaps because they didn't just look at the stats. :rolleyes:
 
just a fan said:
Well, if you went solely by stats....

QB Aeyron Williams, Alliance (highest QBR)

WR Bryant Wickham, Fairless (highest average yards per catch)
WR Gareon Conley, Massillon
WR Marcus Whitfield, Massillon

RB Jeremy Mahaffey, Fairless (highest average yards per carry)
RB Tyler Lancaster, GlenOak
RB Josiah Moore, St. Thomas
RB Sam Groff, Sandy Valley

although, if you use total yards as your measure.....

QB Kyle Kempt, Massillon

WR Austin Feinburg, North Canton
WR Noah Mallen, Canton South
WR Gareon Conley, Massillon

RB Matt Blasiole, Lake
RB Eric Glover Williams, McKinley
RB Ryne Moore, Massillon
RB Bryan Wilkins, St. Thomas

but then, if you use total TDs as your measure....

QB Kyle Kempt, Massillon

WR Austin Feinbeg, North Canton
WR Noah Mallen, Canton South
WR Gareon Conley, Massillon

RB Eric Glover Williams, McKinley
RB Bryan Wilkins, St. Thomas
RB Matt Blasiole, Lake
RB Dom Iero, North Canton

but, you could also go by scoring leaders...

Eric Glover Willams, McKinley
Cody Brewer, Tuslaw
Matt Blasiole, Lake
Bryan Wilkins, St. Thomas
Gareon Conley, Massillon
Austin Feinberg, North Canton
Parish Martin, Alliance
Dom Iero, North Canton (tied)
Sam Groff, Sandy Valley (tied)

So, since stats are "everything," which stats should they use?

Gareon Conley is on all four lists, Eric Glover-Williams' name shows up on three of the four lists. Yet neither are on the all-county offense. Sam Woods' name isn't on the list at all yet he was selected as Hoover's most valuable player. How'd that happen? Perhaps because they didn't just look at the stats. :rolleyes:
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You're agreeing with me! That's what I'm saying (so save the meat wagon comments puppy) Here's the list from FNO (and if stats have been updated after the selections were made due to playoff yardage added, that shouldn't count because the banquet was last week)

J.T. McFarland Zanesville Blue Devils 60 1163 19.4 18
Austin Feinberg Hoover Vikings 57 1157 20.3 16
Winston Mullet Garaway Pirates 56 1153 20.6 13
Chad Robertson Manchester Panthers 59 1144 19.4 11
Noah Mallen Canton South Wildcats 61 1037 17 14
Gareon Conley Massillon Tigers 44 962 21.9 14
Cory Contini Dover Tornadoes 67 927 13.8 7
Cody Parrish Minerva Lions 52 845 16.3 4
Jamar Dukes Manchester Panthers 61 819 13.4 11
Kyle Kearney Triway Titans 71 812 11.4 8
Cade Cummings Tuscarawas Central Catholic Saints 49 801 16.3 13
Dar Stanford Zanesville Blue Devils 47 785 16.7 9
Eian Elsass Jackson Polar Bears 48 785 16.4 6
Chandler Shryock Newcomerstown Trojans 57 771 13.5 7
Ryan Bevington Alliance Aviators 40 727 18.2 8
Seth Wieland Green Bulldogs 35 683 19.5 9
Maverick Sales GlenOak Golden Eagles 44 674 15.3 2
JJ Kukura Alliance Aviators 39 665 17.1 3
Trey Wallick Dover Tornadoes 43 632 14.7 8
Max Kapron Malvern Hornets 34 631 18.6 10
Luke Grandjean Hoover Vikings 34 623 18.3 6
Matthew Lynn Zanesville Blue Devils 47 612 13 3
Marcus Whitfield Massillon Tigers 30 609 20.3 5
Justen Copley Triway Titans 59 597 10.1 4
Duane Troyer Garaway Pirates 32 585 18.3 9
Jacob Wood Tallmadge Blue Devils 38 578 15.2 7
Jeremy Mahaffey Fairless Falcons 44 570 13 2
Zach Cleary Tallmadge Blue Devils 20 565 28.3 4
Logan Ryan Indian Valley Braves 25 563 22.5 3
Parrish Martin Alliance Aviators 36 534 14.8 6
Devin Cunningham Cloverleaf Colts 40 525 13.1 7
Jeff Richardson McKinley Bulldogs 28 514 18.4 8

You can see where Richardson is on this list (and I know, they're not all Stark county but many ahead of him are). Last I checked it was always total yardage, not yardage per catch. No offense is meant to Richardson; yes he's good, pick him as your mvp, but others deserved to be on the list at WR before him. Same could be said for QB, RB, LB, etc. That was the whole point of this thread--the picks by WHBC for all-county are a joke because they appear to have a pre-determined list of kids they want on the team, so they fit them in wherever they can, which causes other deserving players to be left off. Kids picked at RB aren't necessarily the best RB, and QB aren't the best, etc. Pick the best in each category! ( and I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Sam Woods?)
 
sport4life said:
You're agreeing with me! That's what I'm saying (so save the meat wagon comments puppy) Here's the list from FNO (and if stats have been updated after the selections were made due to playoff yardage added, that shouldn't count because the banquet was last week)...

You can see where Richardson is on this list (and I know, they're not all Stark county but many ahead of him are). Last I checked it was always total yardage, not yardage per catch. No offense is meant to Richardson; yes he's good, pick him as your mvp, but others deserved to be on the list at WR before him.
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I'm not agreeing with you. You want the selections to be based solely on stats, and now, you want it to be particular stats. My point was and is, that there are many factors considered in making these selections....not just stats.

Total receiving yardage, by itself, doesn't mean much because such yardage is most often a reflection of total passing yardage and/or number of quality receivers on a team. A kid could be the top rated WR in the country but not make the all county team because he happens to be on a team that rarely throws the ball or that has five good receivers on it (i.e. yardage is distributed). Another kid, who is average, could have the highest number of total yards because he plays on a team with a stellar WR who is constantly double teamed thus leaving him open more often.

If you take the list that you provided and divide the total receiving yards by the team's total passing yardage, you get this...

Mallen 54%
Feinberg 49%
Richardson 46% (it was 53% prior to the playoffs....your desired timeframe)
Elsass, Jackson 43%
Sales, GO 37%
Conley 34%
Bevington, Alliance 33%
Kukura, Alliance 30%
Grandjean 27%
Martin, Alliance 24%
Mahaffey, Fairless 24%
Whitfield, Massillon 21%


sport4life said:
Same could be said for QB, RB, LB, etc. That was the whole point of this thread--the picks by WHBC for all-county are a joke because they appear to have a pre-determined list of kids they want on the team, so they fit them in wherever they can, which causes other deserving players to be left off. Kids picked at RB aren't necessarily the best RB, and QB aren't the best, etc. Pick the best in each category!
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I don't disagree with this. But, you can't make the selections based solely on total yardage because there are many factors that influence total yardage, and there are many other factors that should be considered. Besides, just what stats are you going to look at for selecting your offensive lineman? Also, picking the best in each category could very well mean that one kid is selected as all-county for multiple positions.
 
seems like repository has followed suit with some ridiculous pics but at least they cut it back to only three Qb on offense instead of five

but wait they made up for it with only 2 dl and 7 lbs on defense


lol a 2-7-2 defense

i guess my point for all you -doorknobs is this

what happened to 1 qb 2- rb 5 lineman 3-4 receivers

pick a first team, second team, third team, whatever it takes to get your "favorites" on a team..but have the intestinal fortitude to pick the best (in your opinion)

this is as politically correct as the whbc list gutless
OFFENSE

Austin Feinberg

Hoover, wide receiver, 6-0, 172, senior

• Top receiver in the Federal League. ... Dangerous deep threat. ... Caught 57 passes for 1,157 yards and 16 TDs, averaging 20.3 yards per grab. ... Finished career with 98 receptions for 1,825 yards and 24 TDs.

Jeff Richardson

McKinley, receiver-corner-returner, 5-9, 145, senior

• Extremely quick. ... Scored 13 TDs overall. ... Caught 28 passes for 514 yards and eight TDs. Averaged 18.4 yards a reception. ... Rushed for 242 yards and four TDs at 7.8 a carry. ... Returned a punt for a score. ... Intercepted three passes and made 31 tackles.

Gareon Conley

Massillon, receiver-cornerback, 6-2, 175, senior

• A tremendous overall athlete. ... Caught 50 passes for 1,096 yards and 16 TDs, averaging 21.9 yards a catch. ... Returned an interception 78 yards for a TD. ... Verbal commitment to Michigan. Ohio State, Oregon possibly offering, too.

Trent Ohman

Louisville, receiver-running back, 6-0, 170, senior

• Two-time all-county first team. ... Accounted for 1,061 yards and 10 TDs rushing-receiving on injury-plagued team. ... Returned punt for game-winning 88-yard TD against Alliance. ... Gained 1,641 all-purpose yards. ... Caught 48 passes for 486 yards this season, 115 passes for 1,242 yards the past two years.

Nathaniel Devers

Massillon, offensive tackle, 6-5, 273, junior

• Top lineman for offense that averaged 406.2 yards and a Stark County-best 40.8 points a game. ... Two-time NE Inland District first teamer, transferred from Ravenna Southeast. ... Offers from MAC schools, BCS interest.

Chase Lash

Massillon, offensive tackle, 6-5, 298, junior

• Strong blocker for county’s most prolific team. Massillon averaged 40.8 points, with a 3,000-yard passer, a 1,200-yard rusher and a 1,000-yard receiver.

Dave Johnson

Hoover, center, 6-0, 230, senior

• Hard-nosed center who played with a back injury much of the season. ... Helped pave way for team that scored 36.9 points a game. ... Three-year starter on offensive line, the last two at center.

Jim Hammontree

Hoover, offensive tackle, 6-2, 265, senior

• Two-way starter in the trenches for playoff team. ... Helped 8-3 Hoover bounce back from consecutive 3-7 seasons. ... Top blocker for prolific Hoover offense. Vikings averaged 36.9 points. ... Three-year starter.

Xzavier McAllister

McKinley, offensive tackle, 6-6, 320, senior

• Mammoth force at left tackle that Federal League champ McKinley often ran behind. ... Blocked for offense that gained a Stark County-best 2,753 rushing yards, averaging 250.3 a game. ... Offered by Cincinnati, MAC schools.

Dom Iero

Hoover, quarterback, 6-0, 175, senior

• Driving force behind explosive offense. ... NE Inland District Offensive Player of the Year and Federal League Player of the Year. ... Accounted for 43 TDs. ... Threw for 2,361 yards, 28 TDs and six interceptions. Completed 56.1 percent. ... Rushed for 488 yards and 15 TDs. ... Averaged 37.0 yards a punt. ... Two-time Federal League first teamer. ... Akron baseball recruit.

Kyle Kempt

Massillon, quarterback, 6-5, 200, senior

• Intelligent, accurate passer. ... Repository Stark County Player of the Year. ... Threw for 3,056 yards, 32 TDs and 10 picks, completing 66.4 percent. ... Massillon’s all-time leading passer, ranked second in Stark County history with 6,034 yards. ... University of Cincinnati recruit.

Eric Glover-Williams

McKinley, quarterback, 5-10, 155, sophomore

• Maybe county’s most dangerous runner. ... Rushed for 1,574 yards and 22 TDs at 6.5 yards a carry. ... Switched to QB for first time shortly before season. Threw for 1,114 yards, 12 TDs and seven interceptions. ... Runner-up for Federal League Player of the Year.

Matt Blasiole

Lake, running back-safety, 5-10, 184, junior

• Threat to score any time he touches the ball. ... Ten rushing TDs of 50 yards or more. ... Leading rusher in Stark County and Federal League with 1,656 yards at 7.0 a carry, 17 TDs. ... Returned a blocked field goal 57 yards for a TD. ... Ran for 300 yards and six TDs in Week 10. ... Made 25 tackles, forced two fumbles.

Andrew David

Massillon, kicker, 5-8, 170, sophomore

• Made 56 of 61 PATs and 7 of 15 field goals, with a long of 45 yards. ... A perfect 3-for-3 on field goals in Week 10 win against McKinley. ... Booted 31 of 74 kickoffs for touchbacks. Two-time all-county first team.


DEFENSE

Antoine Miles

McKinley, defensive end, 6-3, 250, senior

• Fearsome edge rusher. ... Finished with team highs of 11.5 sacks, 17 tackles for loss and 19 QB pressures. Made 73 tackles. ... Exploded for six sacks in two playoff games. ... Offers from Cincinnati, MAC schools.

Patrick Benson

GlenOak, defensive lineman, 6-2, 215, senior

• Harasses quarterbacks. ... Broke a 22-year-old school record for career sacks with 18. ... Top defender on GlenOak defense that helped knock off Massillon and McKinley. ... Made 36 tackles, 11 for loss, and 10 sacks.

Kentrell Taylor

Massillon, linebacker-running back, 6-1, 225, senior

• Totaled team-high 76 tackles with eight tackles for loss and 2.5 sacks. ... Returned an interception 93 yards for a TD. ... Rushed for 220 yards and six TDs at 5.8 yards per carry. ... Multiple MAC offers.

Troy Lowe

McKinley, linebacker, 5-11, 225, senior

• Versatile linebacker who could cover or attack the running game. ... Second on team with 115 tackles, 12 for loss. ... Broke up six passes, intercepted one. ... Returned a blocked punt for a TD.

Tre’Vontae Jackson

McKinley linebacker, 6-1, 210, senior

• Seek and destroy-type linebacker. ... Led McKinley with 133 tackles, including 25 solo. ... Added 11 tackles for loss, two sacks and one interception, which he returned for a TD.

Raymond Wesley

GlenOak, linebacker, 6-0, 210, senior

• Nose for the ball, sure tackler. ... Led stout GlenOak defense in tackles with 77. ... Totaled six tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks and eight QB pressure. ... Returned fumble 86 yards for TD.

Charlie Dear

Jackson, linebacker-running back, 6-0, 210, senior

• Leading tackler and rusher for Polar Bears. ... Totaled 114 tackles, nine for loss and three forced fumbles. ... Ran for 850 yards and nine TDs at 5.1 yards a carry. ... Caught 14 passes for 131 yards.

Nate Locke

Jackson, linebacker-fullback, 6-1, 220, senior

• Jackson’s second-leading tackler with 95. Added nine tackles for loss, seven QB hurries and four sacks. ... Totaled 245 yards rushing-receiving and two TDs. ... Bowling Green recruit.

Sam Woods

Hoover, linebacker-running back, 6-0, 180, senior

• Top tackler for Hoover. ... Totaled 61 first-hit tackles, 58 assists, four tackles for loss and two sacks. ... Blocked a punt. ... Rushed for four TDs, averaged 5.4 yards a carry. ... Caught two TDs and averaged 17.6 yards a reception.

Luke Grandjean

Hoover, safety-receiver-returner, 6-3, 170, junior

• Aggressive tackler and playmaker. ... Led Hoover with six interceptions. Totaled 38 first-hit tackles, 45 assists. ... Blocked one kick. ... Caught 34 passes for 623 yards and six TDs. Averaged 18.3 yards a catch.

Devon Allen

Perry, safety-receiver, 6-0, 210, senior

• Totaled 65 tackles, six forced fumbles and two interceptions. ... Caught 30 passes for 422 yards and four TDs. ... Rushed 60 times for 315 yards, an average of 5.3 a carry. ... Perry’s top return man.

Tyler Lancaster

GlenOak, corner-running back, 5-7, 157, senior

• One of Stark County’s top cover corners. ... With opponents avoiding him, totaled 36 tackles, 11 pass breakups and two interceptions. ... Rushed for 357 yards and eight TDs at 8.3 yards a carry. ... Two-time all-county first team.

Brody Tonn

Massillon, safety-receiver, 6-1, 190, senior

• Massillon’s Mr. Do Everything. ... Intercepted three passes, returning one for a TD. ... Made 33.5 tackles, including 22 solo. ... Caught 25 passes for 311 yards and four TDs. ... Threw a TD in Week 10 win against McKinley. ... Averaged 30.9 yards a punt.

Kordelle Phillips

Alliance, cornerback-quarterback, 5-8, 165, junior

• Second-leading tackler for Alliance with 83. Forced two fumbles and intercepted three passes. ... Threw for 2,026 yards, 17 TDs and seven picks. Completed 68.6 percent. ... Ran for 287 yards and two TDs.
 
Two schools of thought here... 1 is to do the picks by position as you said (I tend to agree with this side of things), but the 2nd is to pick the best kids regardless of position.
 
MCGal said:
Two schools of thought here... 1 is to do the picks by position as you said (I tend to agree with this side of things), but the 2nd is to pick the best kids regardless of position.
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LOL.....isn't that the quandary that the Browns are in every year? These all star teams really mean nothing people. Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone!
 
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