Avon/Chardon vs. Hoban/TCC

topperbounce

topperbounce

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Blue blood Publics vs. Blue blood Privates
DIII vs. DI (college analogy)

I would imagine the entire public school population in the state of Ohio is rooting for the Eagles and Hilltoppers.

They may get blown out, they may compete, or they may win. I’ve never been a proponent of splitting the divisions into public and private because the above mentioned matchups bring so much anticipation for the home grown schools.

Will Avon and/or Chardon win, probably not, but if they do, it gives hope to the rest of the state that it can be done against these “mini colleges” - stole that from @MentorGrad2002.

Thoughts?
 
 
perry1480

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I like “mini-colleges.” These privates are more of the “Football Programs that happen to be connected to a private school.”

But they go in cycles. Pretty soon it won’t be cool to go to Hoban anymore and then the next catholic school in Akron will get all the kids Hoban was getting. See the dominance of St Ignatius for years, and the St Ed’s emerges (again).

Thats what makes Massillon impressive. For a few years in the 90’s all the gen-X kids good at football in stark county went punk rock and stayed with their hometown teams for the most part.

but since then… Massillon has been able to pull talent into their orbit. But it’s not just Stark anymore… it’s multiple counties.
 
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cjb5656

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topperbounce said:
Blue blood Publics vs. Blue blood Privates
DIII vs. DI (college analogy)

I would imagine the entire public school population in the state of Ohio is rooting for the Eagles and Hilltoppers.

They may get blown out, they may compete, or they may win. I’ve never been a proponent of splitting the divisions into public and private because the above mentioned matchups bring so much anticipation for the home grown schools.

Will Avon and/or Chardon win, probably not, but if they do, it gives hope to the rest of the state that it can be done against these “mini colleges” - stole that from @MentorGrad2002.

Thoughts?
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I like it better when TCC is in D2/R6. They’ve occasionally gone out of the region over the years, but that is their usual home. Avon and TCC have waged many classic playoff battles and overall it’s what you want in the playoffs. However, when you start thinking about having to beat TCC to get to Hoban, and having to beat Hoban to get to yet another elite school in the actual championship game, it’s a tall order for a closed enrollment public. The rules are the rules, though, and winning a state championship isn’t supposed to be easy.

Good luck to the Toppers! And I must also wish good luck to our TCC friends, as we see them quite often.
 
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TigerPaw

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perry1480 said:
I like “mini-colleges.” These privates are more of the “Football Programs that happen to be connected to a private school.”

But they go in cycles. Pretty soon it won’t be cool to go to Hoban anymore and then the next catholic school in Akron will get all the kids Hoban was getting. See the dominance of St Ignatius for years, and the St Ed’s emerges (again).

Thats what makes Massillon impressive. For a few years in the 90’s all the gen-X kids good at football in stark county went punk rock and stayed with their hometown teams for the most part.

but since then… Massillon has been able to pull talent into their orbit. But it’s not just Stark anymore… it’s multiple counties.
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Dude, be honest. FL/Stark is NOT losing kids to Massillon in any way shape or form comparable to a local private powerhouse. They are down all on their own.
 
perry1480

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TigerPaw said:
Dude, be honest. FL/Stark is NOT losing kids to Massillon in any way shape or form comparable to a local private powerhouse. They are down all on their own.
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Did you think I was making an excuse? Definitely not. That’s Hoover’s job.

Massillon looked at the emerging landscape of the elite level of high school football and said, “we’re committed to keeping pace.” And they have.
 
perry1480

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MassillonTigers3 said:
I’m not sure Massillon is doing anything in the last 10 years that they hadn’t done for the last 50+ tbh
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I think you'd be alluding to a culture of doing what it takes to win. Massillon has been doing that for over a century, not just 50+ years.

To me they are no different now a days than a private school who pulls kids in (notice I didn't say recruit). The amount of transfers these days seems to be so much more than it used to be. It seems to me there was a time when Massillon went from lots of Massillon kid + a few transfers, to many transfers on the field. Don't ask me when that was, I don't know... probably around the same time that Hoban took off in the mid 2010's.

I'm not really arguing the point about receiving transfers in the first place. Kids want to come to Massillon to play football. More power to 'em.
 
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MassillonTigers3

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perry1480 said:
I think you'd be alluding to a culture of doing what it takes to win. Massillon has been doing that for over a century, not just 50+ years.

To me they are no different now a days than a private school who pulls kids in (notice I didn't say recruit). The amount of transfers these days seems to be so much more than it used to be. It seems to me there was a time when Massillon went from lots of Massillon kid + a few transfers, to many transfers on the field. Don't ask me when that was, I don't know... probably around the same time that Hoban took off in the mid 2010's.

I'm not really arguing the point about receiving transfers in the first place. Kids want to come to Massillon to play football. More power to 'em.
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Gotcha. Yeah, there’s always a few transfers…sometimes more sometimes less. The 2018 team was pretty much all kids who were at Massillon fresh-senior years from what I recall. There were lots of transfers in the Hall era…he just couldn’t coach them to meaningful victories very often lol
 
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TigerPaw

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perry1480 said:
I think you'd be alluding to a culture of doing what it takes to win. Massillon has been doing that for over a century, not just 50+ years.

To me they are no different now a days than a private school who pulls kids in (notice I didn't say recruit). The amount of transfers these days seems to be so much more than it used to be. It seems to me there was a time when Massillon went from lots of Massillon kid + a few transfers, to many transfers on the field. Don't ask me when that was, I don't know... probably around the same time that Hoban took off in the mid 2010's.

I'm not really arguing the point about receiving transfers in the first place. Kids want to come to Massillon to play football. More power to 'em.
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Nah. I recall Perry/FL going ape**** about Shepas in the 90's. Currence was the HC when I graduated and I promise we heard the same thing then. We're used to it. It's all good.

In any case let's veer it back to topic, and at least for me, when matched against the private powerhouse I root for the public school. As much if not more so cuz it's easier to root for the underdog vs. a team with multiple championships.
 
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the123kidz

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topperbounce said:
Blue blood Publics vs. Blue blood Privates
DIII vs. DI (college analogy)

I would imagine the entire public school population in the state of Ohio is rooting for the Eagles and Hilltoppers.

They may get blown out, they may compete, or they may win. I’ve never been a proponent of splitting the divisions into public and private because the above mentioned matchups bring so much anticipation for the home grown schools.

Will Avon and/or Chardon win, probably not, but if they do, it gives hope to the rest of the state that it can be done against these “mini colleges” - stole that from @MentorGrad2002.

Thoughts?
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I am a private school supporter (CVCA) but I am pulling for Chardon. My mom retired from the schools there and I spent many, many weekends visiting as a kid at the Wilson Mills apartments. Great community, love the Maple Festival when it's not cold and snowy 50/50 chance out there 😂.
 
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Benchboss1

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topperbounce said:
I’m shocked that a thread about Avon/Chardon vs. Hoban/TCC has been hijacked to involve Massillon……..🤷🏽 I thought it would take longer than 4 posts before it did.
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Obviously you didn't notice, or don't care and just want to dog Massillon, that the first poster to bring up Massillon is NOT a Massillon fan.
 
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Region2

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topperbounce said:
Blue blood Publics vs. Blue blood Privates
DIII vs. DI (college analogy)

I would imagine the entire public school population in the state of Ohio is rooting for the Eagles and Hilltoppers.

They may get blown out, they may compete, or they may win. I’ve never been a proponent of splitting the divisions into public and private because the above mentioned matchups bring so much anticipation for the home grown schools.

Will Avon and/or Chardon win, probably not, but if they do, it gives hope to the rest of the state that it can be done against these “mini colleges” - stole that from @MentorGrad2002.

Thoughts?
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Avon has a shot. Chardon no prayer.
 
ColdWindBlows

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topperbounce said:
Blue blood Publics vs. Blue blood Privates
DIII vs. DI (college analogy)

I would imagine the entire public school population in the state of Ohio is rooting for the Eagles and Hilltoppers.

They may get blown out, they may compete, or they may win. I’ve never been a proponent of splitting the divisions into public and private because the above mentioned matchups bring so much anticipation for the home grown schools.

Will Avon and/or Chardon win, probably not, but if they do, it gives hope to the rest of the state that it can be done against these “mini colleges” - stole that from @MentorGrad2002.

Thoughts?
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Congrats to Avon/Chardon! What a great opportunity for both to take down #1 overall (by Drew Pasteur's Fan50 Rankings at some point throughout the year)!? The "mini's" will get every inch of everything that Avon and Chardon have to offer.

Should be a fun-filled environment as the underdog communities will bring 100% of their energetic SuperFan base!
 
joeyb77

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Benchboss1 said:
Obviously you didn't notice, or don't care and just want to dog Massillon, that the first poster to bring up Massillon is NOT a Massillon fan.
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Meanwhile he never said it was. Not surprised you would assume so though. If the shoe fits.
 
topperbounce

topperbounce

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eastisbest said:
I think you'd find that Toledo roots for Toledo.
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Interesting and nothing wrong with that. I think you’d find here in NE Ohio we root against our neighboring “mini colleges” when playing any public school, unless they’re playing another “mini college.”
 
Oil Filter

Oil Filter

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If you don't want to talk about Massillon, don't talk about Massillon.

Then watch your thread fall off the front page. :D
 
Professor.Klump

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TCC & Hoban in the past 5 years or so have lost playoff games to public schools. These are kids anything can happen. Every time TCC beat us they were the better team, when we beat them in 16 & 17 they were the better team. The Privates on paper IMO will always have an edge, just gotta line up and see.
 
John Lee Pettimore

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perry1480 said:
I like “mini-colleges.” These privates are more of the “Football Programs that happen to be connected to a private school.”

But they go in cycles. Pretty soon it won’t be cool to go to Hoban anymore and then the next catholic school in Akron will get all the kids Hoban was getting. See the dominance of St Ignatius for years, and the St Ed’s emerges (again).

Thats what makes Massillon impressive. For a few years in the 90’s all the gen-X kids good at football in stark county went punk rock and stayed with their hometown teams for the most part.

but since then… Massillon has been able to pull talent into their orbit. But it’s not just Stark anymore… it’s multiple counties.
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Perry wrestling.
 
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