Thavoice
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I thought that was for all of OT, but I could be mistaken.I believe that rule (that only the person who fumbled the ball can advance it) only applies after the two minute timeout.
I thought that was for all of OT, but I could be mistaken.I believe that rule (that only the person who fumbled the ball can advance it) only applies after the two minute timeout.
NFL RULESMr. Allsports,
This is an NFL question, but you are very knowledgeable so Id thought I would ask.
End of the game/OT fumble advancement rule:
As we saw in the bengals/steelers game when burrow fumbled it backwards, and the RB advanced, only the ballcarrier who fumbled can recover/advance a fumble at the end of regulation and in OT.
Fast fwd a week to 18 September.
Raiders ballcarrier fumbles the ball forward around the 45 yard line and a teammate recovered in OT. I expected it to be moved back to the spot of the fumble, and an announcment made, but nothing and the ball was not moved to the spot of the fumble.
This was a couple of plays before the fumble recovery that was returned for a TD.
3rd & 3 at LV 44
(4:45 - OT) D.Carr pass short middle to H.Renfrow to ARZ 45 for 11 yards (J.Thompson, Z.Collins). FUMBLES (Z.Collins), recovered by LV-F.Moreau at ARZ 39.
Did the officials miss that one yesterday? Didnt matter, that fumble recovery a play or two later ended the game....
A valid fair-catch signal is the extending and lateral waving of one arm, at full arm's length above the head, by any R player.What's the rule for a punt returner for not giving a acceptable enough arm gesture for a fair catch even though that same punt returner never made a attempt to run with the ball after calling for a fair catch, nor did any players from the punting team make any moves to tackle the punter. A punt returner's team was flagged for a 5 yard penalty for the punt returner not giving a valid enough fair catch signal? In all my years(50?) of watching high school football, I've never seen this called.
A good back judge will demonstrate proper a fair catch signal for the receiver prior to the punt, which tends to prevent invalid signals.In all my years(50?) of watching high school football, I've never seen this called.
I'm wondering first off whether we'd even have this conversation if it weren't a Native American mascot. Politically charged matters tend to spread into all sorts of things.This was brought up in conversation (I don’t know how we got to that point)
A team that is some kind of Native American Mascot(Indians, Braves….). The band/crowd begins doing the tomahawk chop chant. Would it be a taunting penalty if the players on the field did it as well during stoppage of plays? For example, the kickoff team joins in, while the kicker is taking his steps OR a defense while they wait for the offense to break the huddle? The things you talk about over a few cold ones…
This was brought up in conversation (I don’t know how we got to that point)
A team that is some kind of Native American Mascot(Indians, Braves….). The band/crowd begins doing the tomahawk chop chant. Would it be a taunting penalty if the players on the field did it as well during stoppage of plays? For example, the kickoff team joins in, while the kicker is taking his steps OR a defense while they wait for the offense to break the huddle? The things you talk about over a few cold ones…
It's not a foul and never has been.As to whether it's a foul, I'd recommend game management strategies first. If it becomes a problem (situation, heat of the game, etc.), tell them to KTSO. If they don't, we can flag their failure to follow officials' directives.
There is no reporting mechanism/requirement under NFHS Rules. 50-79 are not eligible receivers. (restrictions end when B touches a legal forward pass, as everyone becomes eligible when that occurs)Probably been asked before - what restrictions on jersey numbers by position are there, if any? Do lineman 50-99 have to report to officials if they're eligible? Or vice-versa? TIA.
The OP asked: "Would it be a taunting penalty if the players on the field did it as well during stoppage of plays?"We have never been authorized to penalize a team for something happening in the stands. (see OHSAA FB regulations for bands playing or amplified noise during a live ball or when the quarterback is calling signals & whistle in the stands)
Allsports12 answered the eligibility part of your question.Probably been asked before, but what restrictions on jersey numbers by position are there, if any?
Sorry, I missed that part about the players........ I'm only getting involved in this if it's done in a taunting manner. Treat it like any other taunt.The OP asked: "Would it be a taunting penalty if the players on the field did it as well during stoppage of plays?"
I’m merely asking about players on the field joining in on a cheer from the stands.Sorry, I missed that part about the players........ I'm only getting involved in this if it's done in a taunting manner. Treat it like any other taunt.
The mere act of the chop..... I'm not going there..... (game report may be appropriate if an opposing coach has an issue)
Unless it's in a taunting manner......I’m merely asking about players on the field joining in on a cheer from the stands.
I just used the tomahawk chop as an example.
Ball should have been blown dead as soon as the receiver caught the ball. Once the teammate caught the ball and started running, he has now committed a delay-of-game foul.Q. On a kick off. Two receiving players a few yards apart. One signals fair catch. The other catches it and runs. Apparently that’s a no call??
Not much. The clock won't start until the ball is touched by the receiving team inbounds. But if they call a fair catch, or immediately down the ball, then they will certainly get at least one play on offense.Findlay-Fremont. Fremont scores, goes ahead and kicks with 6 seconds left in the game. Then something unreal happened and Findlay wins.
I do not know the clock rules well enoung to give a definitive answer as to whether or not Fremont has an alternative that would keep Findlay from getting their hands on the ball either on the kick-off or one follow-on offensive play. (too vauge?)
So the question is, was there anything Fremont could have done to exhaust that 6 seconds that would have prevented Findlay getting hands on the ball on the kick or at least one offensive play?
Ross could have recovered their own onside kick, or a deeper version of an onside kick.Findlay-Fremont. Fremont scores, goes ahead and kicks with 6 seconds left in the game. Then something unreal happened and Findlay wins.
I do not know the clock rules well enoung to give a definitive answer as to whether or not Fremont has an alternative that would keep Findlay from getting their hands on the ball either on the kick-off or one follow-on offensive play. (too vauge?)
So the question is, was there anything Fremont could have done to exhaust that 6 seconds that would have prevented Findlay getting hands on the ball on the kick or at least one offensive play?
If that's how it happened, you have 5 officials who failed noticing the chains were not laying on the ground. (I would also submit to you that you have a coaching staff that failed as well)Question about down and distance mechanics. Do the referee’s note where down and distance begins each series? This is what happened and I couldn’t believe not one referee on the field noticed the mistake:
Team A had first and 10 on team B’s 20. They run to the 9 yard line and pick up a first down making it first and goal. First play is a loss of 6 brining ball back to the 14. They gain a few yards one next 2 plays and it ends up 4th and goal from the 11. Now, chain gang has never moved from when the ball was at the 20 after team A got the first down. Team B runs a play on 4th and goal from the 11 and picks up 4 yards. Defensive thinks they forced turnover on downs, refs signals first down because he looked at the chain gang who had never moved and thought it was 4th and 1 apparently but it was clearly fourth and goal.
Yep, that’s what happened. And the coaching staff was aware and argued to no avail.If that's how it happened, you have 5 officials who failed noticing the chains were not laying on the ground. (I would also submit to you that you have a coaching staff that failed as well)
Was this in a varsity game?Yep, that’s what happened. And the coaching staff was aware and argued to no avail.
Despite all of that, I was just curious if there was a process to help keep track of situations like this if somehow this happens. If one member of the crew was responsible for charting each new set of downs etc. Mistakes happen, especially if we are relying on amateur chain gangs.
YesWas this in a varsity game?
Nobody charts the line to gain, down & distance, whatever.
Thanks for the reply, I had never seen it before. It didn’t affect the outcome of the game, it just prompted the question I had about keeping track of situations. Always appreciate the responses.Nobody charts the line to gain, down & distance, whatever.
Five officials should have known and communicated that 1st and goal had become 4th and goal.
By rule, the chains should have been moved far enough off the sideline, or placed on the ground, to prevent confusion by anyone in attendance.
The chain crew is supposed to act in a nonpartisan manner and can be replaced if they fail to do so.
Where the breakdown was I have no idea.
With no penalties on the play, the option is given to the team is possession at the time of the inadvertent whistle…This play was mentioned in a game thread.
Team A attempts FG near the end of the half. Team B blocks it and begins returning it for what was likely to be a TD (nobody from Team A in a position to make a play on the runner). Official mistakes the play for a PAT try and blows the play dead after Team B has gained possession. On the inadvertent whistle, Team B is given the ball at the spot of recovery and elects to take a knee to end the half. What are the options on an indavertent whistle in this particular situation? I assume the options are presented to Team B rather than Team A since Team B was in possession of the ball when the inadvertent whistle occurred?