cincyhoops
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Alter and McNick will not be D3. They will be D4. I believe Badin and Carroll will be D3 though.
SWOH D1 Thread
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ThursdayAllAmerican
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The SBAAC isn't the reason the state decided to expand divisions, but they are impacted by it in a positive way. They have some talented teams (at times) and good coaches. I'm not saying they should bring home a state title each year, but there's no chance they can just "get better at basketball" when they have to play schools with 500-1000 more boys or girls. It's not like these public schools can go out and recruit height and talent either.
Western Brown v. McNick/Trotwood/Alter... no problem.
Western Brown v. St. X/Mason/Princeton... problem.
I think by the new system, Goshen/Western Brown/Wilmington will all be D3.
This was a big win for the mid-sized schools in Ohio and it doesn't change the legitimacy of any D1 or D2 title... they still have to play all the big dogs to win.
Let's see if Goshen is for real despite their DFL SWO strength of schedule.
ThursdayAllAmerican
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You must have a real axe to grind with the Warriors.
oxat622
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God be with Talawanda. If you saw them walking off the bus you'd think they were the freshman team.
So they should continue to play in a division where the difference in the top and bottom is 1,000 kids??? But every other division difference is less than 120 kids? Yeah, great logic bud.
There are schools that are nearly Western Brown's exact size that compete just fine in D1 basketball. Western Brown has 353 boys in the top 3 grades. Louisville has 357. Louisville is a consensus top 10 team in the state in D1 and is 19-2 with their only two losses to Iggy and Ed's and wins over McKinley, Massillon, and Lutheran East among many others. Garfield Heights might be the single best team in the state, and they have 489 boys in the top 3 grades. Again, this is a country public school problem and not a school size problem, and it's going to significantly impact city and suburban public schools that compete just fine.
If they are "that" good, how will it impact them? If anything, it would help them. I guess I need to change my reply and say schools that are smaller by 1000 and that cannot recruit. There ya go.
Just looked up Louisville's championships. They won two sectionals at D1. Why would they not benefit from this move lol?
On the flipside, those schools also don't get their players recruited (which is still against the rules by the way, and a completely separate issue) since they aren't near other schools or private schools and they pretty much stay at the same school. Yes, the odds of getting great players are much lower, but Wilmington had the Cumberlands and made a state semifinal. They also had a team without the Cumberlands that made a district final in D1 because they simply just played good basketball.
mrorcadood
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Thursday live scoreboard (Compared to yesterday, online broadcasts are of both lower quality and quantity, sadly)
Centerville 59, Piqua 16 - final
CEN 13 20 11 15 59
PIQ 04 07 04 01 16
Moeller 73, Talawanda 36 - final
MOE 19 15 20 19 73
TALA 09 05 10 12 36
Miamisburg 69, Butler 48 - final
MIA XX 34 XX 35 69
BUT XX 15 XX 33 48
Winton Woods 62, Edgewood 42 - final
WW XX 37 XX 25 62
EDG XX 17 XX 25 42
Princeton 63, Ross 37 - final
PRIN 11 16 20 16 63
ROS 06 09 10 12 37
Stebbins 58, Sidney 50 - final
SID 04 21 19 06 50
STE 11 14 11 22 58
Lakota West 73, West Clermont 42 - final
LKW 24 13 16 20 73
WSC 07 15 14 06 42
Beavercreek 65, Tecumseh 50 - final
BVC 15 09 28 13 65
TEC 13 16 08 13 50
Little Miami 55, Goshen 54 - final (OT)
GOS 02 08 26 10 08 54
LITM 12 15 09 10 09 55
Fairmont 61, Monroe 53 - final
FAIR 12 09 16 24 61
MON 16 15 03 19 53
Centerville 59, Piqua 16 - final
CEN 13 20 11 15 59
PIQ 04 07 04 01 16
Moeller 73, Talawanda 36 - final
MOE 19 15 20 19 73
TALA 09 05 10 12 36
Miamisburg 69, Butler 48 - final
MIA XX 34 XX 35 69
BUT XX 15 XX 33 48
Winton Woods 62, Edgewood 42 - final
WW XX 37 XX 25 62
EDG XX 17 XX 25 42
Princeton 63, Ross 37 - final
PRIN 11 16 20 16 63
ROS 06 09 10 12 37
Stebbins 58, Sidney 50 - final
SID 04 21 19 06 50
STE 11 14 11 22 58
Lakota West 73, West Clermont 42 - final
LKW 24 13 16 20 73
WSC 07 15 14 06 42
Beavercreek 65, Tecumseh 50 - final
BVC 15 09 28 13 65
TEC 13 16 08 13 50
Little Miami 55, Goshen 54 - final (OT)
GOS 02 08 26 10 08 54
LITM 12 15 09 10 09 55
Fairmont 61, Monroe 53 - final
FAIR 12 09 16 24 61
MON 16 15 03 19 53
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Because some schools want to measure themselves against the best in the state. There is a referendum that would allow teams to choose to be in D1, and that may solve some of these issues as well.
I do not know the numbers for the Northeast like the southeast and southwest. What are Louisville's numbers vs. the others in their sectional? And how many teams are in their sectional?
They no longer do localized districts in any part of the state. Louisville is in the Northeast region as the #4 seed, which features 76 schools. Their first round opponent is the #76 seed Akron North (512), and, if they win, they play the #73 seed Akron Firestone (459). Their next 2 games after that to win the district would likely be #26 seed Medina (809) and #9 seed Canton Glenoak (735). Canton McKinley (907) is also in their district. They are expected to win their district.
Also, this 1,000 boy difference is also a false narrative. Mason has 1,300 boys. Only 8 schools have more than 1,000 boys. Only 30 schools have more than 700 boys. 638 will be the cutoff for the 64-team Division 1, and 428 boys will be the cutoff for Division 2. Why they don't just combine the proposed Division 1 and Division 2 I have no idea.
In Indiana, they also currently have 4 divisions. 4A ranges from 5,327 students (1,998 by OHSAA math) to 1,030 students (386 by OHSAA math). Some schools are simply bigger than others, but you need a significant number of teams to have a competitive division.
When other schools (smaller) get to celebrate sectional and district titles from your area and the difference in enrollment is like 150-200 boys between a supposedly D1 school and a D3 school, it makes a difference. Lets look at Western Brown, since you brought them up. I know some people from there and knew their older coaches. Western Brown is in the same county as Eastern Brown (155 boys) and Georgetown (138 boys). Both of those school had made many runs in the tournament where their division from top to bottom have a difference of 71 boys in enrollment for an entire division! D1 is close to a 1,000 difference, D2 is 150 enrollment difference, and D4 is 114 total enrollment difference. Whether a small D1 team could compete or not, this change was needed. Football has it right, and this will be close to that. A good team from that school would compete with the new D3 teams that you mentioned. They definitely would not be losing by 30 or more after winning 18 plus games in the regular season.
OkolonaBlues
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Did both Cumberlands live in the Wilmington school district?
Philly_Cat
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YouTube feed is better than NFHS for the games at Fairfield. TKDS is the better of the two options at Lakota West. No video at Princeton, nor has there been all year.
mrorcadood
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TKDS is several minutes behind, and I don't have their direct subscription, sadly. Twitter has regular updates for Princeton/Ross tho.
mrorcadood
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Beavercreek officially on upset alert
DytnBballFan
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Think that's over now
…and we have a ball game… tied up
DytnBballFan
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Fairmont upset alert
2nd time was fine with 3 seconds and Goshen coach got T’d up trying to argue it was a shooting foul.
Is this game on anywhere?