Pregnant “ Black” woman stealing alcohol shot by police.

bob99 said:
Someone would reason that the police didn't do their job and allowed someone evading the law to leave and kill someone. They wouldn't care how she was stopped as long as their love one was still alive.
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Sure. I can dream up any number of scenarios that are no more or less valid than yours. The problem with your scenario is that in reality all alleged criminals should be shot and killed on site to save your loved ones. That is the only logical conclusion using your made up scenario.
 
psycho_dad said:
She drove just fine there.
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Did she? Were you in the car riding with her? Had she been drinking or was on drugs? Do you know? Was she rational? You know she was acting irrationally sitting behind the wheel of a car. There have been know cases of people with dementia driving around lost. But I guess you would say they were driving just fine.
 
psycho_dad said:
So you are good with someone shooting in a public area? You really think he saw the person walk behind the car?

She drove just fine there. I'm sure she could have managed to drive away. But, it has nothing to do with her. We are discussing his actions. He put more people at risk. His partner didn't see the same threat as he did. You think a 4000 pound driverless vehicle is good? What about a 4000 lb vehicle with a wounded terrified driver behind the wheel?


Terrible police work.
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"So you are good with someone shooting in a public area? You really think he saw the person walk behind the car? " The Thugs do it all the time, more cases of innocent bystanders getting shot in the hood, than police shootings a non compliant ILLEGALL resisting subject in a parking lot who accelerated using her car as a weapon.
 
The driver is very much complicit in her demise, I am just looking at it from a police officer perspective with a pension that can be yanked (an extremely punitive penalty that employees of private companies are less likely to face) and potential legal issues. I am just saying the situations where I would discharge a weapon are significantly less than where they may have been 40 years ago.

The F 'em and Too Bad Should Have Complied crowd do not add much to the discussion. We get that they should have complied.
 
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EagleFan said:
Police make decisions all the time to cut pursuits with the same possibilities you mention.
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I presume you are talking about high speed chases where the police have no way of stopping the chase before it begins. Different circumstances. The police were in direct contact with this suspect and had options to deal with her. They prevented the possibility of a high speed chase or allowing an unknown liability from speeding away in a high foot and vehicle traffic area.
 
Hammerdrill said:
The premise though is that even before he stood in front of the car the petty criminal should be pursued via a car chase.
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Normal people, likely those not out stealing liquor while pregnant, who also likely parked illegally in a handicapped parking spot, with no license plate on their car........NORMAL people comply, because if you do you're 99.999% likely to have your day in court, but it's VERY likely the pregnant boozer didn't care about that she just wanted to pull that entitled act and ILLEGALLY RESIST and just drive off in the sunset.....Hmmmm who is entitled again? She caused her own demise and everyone knows that.
 
bob99 said:
Did she? Were you in the car riding with her? Had she been drinking or was on drugs? Do you know? Was she rational? You know she was acting irrationally sitting behind the wheel of a car. There have been know cases of people with dementia driving around lost. But I guess you would say they were driving just fine.
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Your imagination is not a valid excuse. I mean what you say could be true of anybody. Cops should just shoot anyone who walks out of a bar and towards their car, since they could be drunk.
 
Hammerdrill said:
Sure. I can dream up any number of scenarios that are no more or less valid than yours. The problem with your scenario is that in reality all alleged criminals should be shot and killed on site to save your loved ones. That is the only logical conclusion using your made up scenario.
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The majority of people obey the law and listen to police commands. If they disobey the police and do something that pose a threat to others, what happens to them is on them.
 
EagleFan said:
The driver is very much complicit in her demise, I am just looking at it from a police officer perspective with a pension that can be yanked (an extremely punitive penalty that employees of private sompanies are less likely to face) and potential legal issues. I am just saying the situations where I would discharge a weapon are significantly less than where they may have been 40 years ago.

The F 'em and Too Bad Should Have Complied crowd do not add much to the discussion. We get that they should have complied.
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"I am just saying the situations where I would discharge a weapon are significantly less than where they may have been 40 years ago." Due to liberal political bureaucrats ........You really think this woman should just be able to ride off in the sunset with tax payers booze? "Bye officer don't feel like getting arrested today, I'm thirsty". They absolutely need to go back to 40 years ago why the f not!
 
bob99 said:
The majority of people obey the law and listen to police commands. If they disobey the police and do something that pose a threat to others, what happens to them is on them.
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Cops first and foremost should be attempting to de-escalate the situation. Pulling a gun in this situation made no sense.
 
Hammerdrill said:
The premise though is that even before he stood in front of the car the petty criminal should be pursued via a car chase.
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You know she was a petty criminal? The police was never allowed to make that determination, she wouldn't listen to police commands. You personally know she didn't pose a threat to the general public? What was her intentions when she started to drive the car at the police officer?
If the police officer hadn't stopped her, what were her intentions? Was she going to drive 10 mph through a parking lot and stop at let pedestrian have the right away? If the police would have followed her with lights and sirens, would she pull to the right and stop? Then she would obey police commands and exit her vehicle if ordered to? What should the police had done? Ask her they could give her a police escort home?
 
Hammerdrill said:
Your imagination is not a valid excuse. I mean what you say could be true of anybody. Cops should just shoot anyone who walks out of a bar and towards their car, since they could be drunk.
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Are they disobeying police commands and attempting to evade the police? Ww are not talking about shooting just anyone. If the woman had obeyed the police officer's commands and exited her vehicle she would be alive today. That is the bottom line. What happened is entirely on the woman's actions. She is the one to blame.
 
Hammerdrill said:
Cops first and foremost should be attempting to de-escalate the situation. Pulling a gun in this situation made no sense.
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How many times did the one officer tell her to exit the vehicle. If you are dealing with someone who is acting irrationally and refuses to cooperate what are your options? She was sitting in a locked car. How do you know if she has a weapon or not? The officer had a weapon clearly drawn but the woman still decided to put the car in gear and drive at the officer with the weapon pointed at her. Is that a rational person?
 
Nadine Young described her granddaughter as "goofy" and "fun-loving," as well as someone who enjoyed playing pranks on others.
However, the relationship between the Youngs was at times more complex.
According to Franklin County Municipal Court records, Nadine Young called police on Sunday to her home on Divot Place after Ta'Kiya had shown up there. The court records said the elder Young told Columbus police officers that she had a protection order against her granddaughter, who was not supposed to be at the home.

Young had left before Columbus police arrived on the scene but a misdemeanor charge of violating a protection order was filed after Nadine Young filled out a witness statement, according to court records. It was the second such charge Young had faced as an adult.
 
bob99 said:
You know she was a petty criminal? The police was never allowed to make that determination, she wouldn't listen to police commands. You personally know she didn't pose a threat to the general public? What was her intentions when she started to drive the car at the police officer?
If the police officer hadn't stopped her, what were her intentions? Was she going to drive 10 mph through a parking lot and stop at let pedestrian have the right away? If the police would have followed her with lights and sirens, would she pull to the right and stop? Then she would obey police commands and exit her vehicle if ordered to? What should the police had done? Ask her they could give her a police escort home?
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100% . It’s moronic to dismiss any of that.
 
Insidetrip73 said:
It did however stop her from accelerating injuring him severely or a bystander such as an old lady leaving the store with groceries. You got nothing.
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LOl. By the time he fired, as the video shows, he was basically clear of the vehicle. Assuming she was going to travel at an unsafe speed is just crazy speculation given that she slowly pulled the car from the spot. That car without a driver was certainly a bigger danger that it would have been under control of a driver.
 
ProV1 said:
LOl. By the time he fired, as the video shows, he was basically clear of the vehicle. Assuming she was going to travel at an unsafe speed is just crazy speculation given that she slowly pulled the car from the spot. That car without a driver was certainly a bigger danger that it would have been under control of a driver.
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Changed nothing i stated . Just your projection.
 
bob99 said:
The majority of people obey the law and listen to police commands. If they disobey the police and do something that pose a threat to others, what happens to them is on them.
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In your opinion but that is not the law.
 
Insidetrip73 said:
Changed nothing i stated . Just your projection.
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No ... I am basing this on the actual results. Her pulling that car out did not result in any police injury and the cop firing his gun did not change the end result other than the car moving across the lot without an operator. That is what the video shows and that is what a jury is going to see assuming this thing is not settled way before that.
 
ProV1 said:
So now you admit that he was fully aware that she may be attempting to pull out when she turned the wheel? If this was about the best way to protect himself, why is it not better to take a step or two to the right when she turned the wheel instead of remaining where he was and then pointing at her head? Shooting her did not avert any threat to the officer. The car continued on the exact same path after the shot. He did the exact thing after the car moved that he should have done before it moved. He moved out of the way. He was not injured in the slightest. As such, it is impossible to argue that his actions made him safer. We also know that shooting her while she was driving, did not make the immediate area any safer. In fact, the action put bystanders at bigger risk in that the car no longer was being operated by a conscious human being. It accomplished nothing from a public safety standpoint. Of course, based on some posts on the thread and depending on your POV, the elimination of a pregnant black woman might have been a desired outcome.
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I admit she drove forward, drove the officer back, knocked him off his feet and then he fired in self defense. When she is shot, no more pressure on the gas, car slows and becomes less of a threat. Evidence from you he was "not injured in the slightest." Throughout the thread you have been consistently shown to make false statement.
 
ProV1 said:
No ... I am basing this on the actual results. Her pulling that car out did not result in any police injury and the cop firing his gun did not change the end result other than the car moving across the lot without an operator. That is what the video shows and that is what a jury is going to see assuming this thing is not settled way before that.
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Hey, The jury will see just like a piece of S. Criminal firing a bullet at a cop even if the bullet misses he can fire back ! she USED the vehicle as a weapon and he used his weapon in self defense. Thats what a reasonable juror will say.
 
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