In complete agreeance with this, I think this helps with the schools like Legacy or even back a few years ago in St. John who have these multiple state champs and then the school disappears after a group or two go through.What about a private division and 2 or 3 public divisions?
Instead, Lets just have a true 4th at the district.32 in 2 Divisons would allow more kids to enter. 64 instead of 48. Its not about bragging rights.
It would eliminate good 5th place District kids from getting slighted. It would solve the true 5th problem.
I love how the one division guy is ignoring the actual Hs coaches explaining how school size matters and whatnot.
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Which ones? Aren’t you the one who said school size doesn’t matter to individual sports.. like the typical dad who’s never actually run a programseveral High School coaches have agreed that having 64 qualifiers over 1 or 2 Divisions would increase opportunities and exposure for kids than the current 48 qualifiers.
When 9.7/10 the people making the “hard core” tuff guy wannabe arguments usually are. It’s not a stretch. Especially when making uninformed statements like “school size doesn’t matter”.I am not a Dad. stupid assumption "throwaway jack"
When 9.7/10 the people making the “hard core” tuff guy wannabe arguments usually are.
Its so weird that you guys get offended at someones opinion and throw insults and dumb assumptions about who’s opinion it is.
These arguments are complex. Its not a “toughguy stance”.
“several High School coaches have agreed that having 64 qualifiers over 1 or 2 Divisions would increase opportunities and exposure for kids than the current 48 qualifiers.”
you may want to stay out of this discussion since you get offended so easily.
I’m not offended lol. I’m calling it as I see it.Its so weird that you guys get offended at someones opinion and throw insults and dumb assumptions about who’s opinion it is.
These arguments are complex. Its not a “toughguy stance”.
“several High School coaches have agreed that having 64 qualifiers over 1 or 2 Divisions would increase opportunities and exposure for kids than the current 48 qualifiers.”
you may want to stay out of this discussion since you get offended so easily.
It’s not about “exceptionalism”.. it is about the depth of competition and results over time..Just enjoy the fact there are kids, whether 0-42 or 42-0, who enjoy this ancient and societally neglected sport. For those who believe in “D1 exceptionalism, we have seen plenty of D2 and D3 kids (and teams) lay the wood on D1 kids and teams this year. These conversations are great.
I appreciate the civility of the banter here. Thanks to all the members.
It’s not about “exceptionalism”.. it is about the depth of competition and results over time..
I’ve like several others here have coached in multiple divisions and the difference in depth and quality.. especially after the top two guys can’t be overstated.. hell I’ve coached teams and wrestlers in D2 that beat DI kids.. and I’ve also seen far more state qualifiers and placers from D2 and D3 lose to DI kids including non qualifiers.. far more than the other way around.
It’s the same thing that happens with Southern wrestling when compared to the north.. “I know a guy or a team that beat someone from up north once”.. that’s very nice. I’m also well aware both smaller schools and the south are getting better. It still doesn’t change the fact that one Division and/or area is much higher quality overall with more depth.
I’m not even trying to be mean. It’s more bewilderment at people not understanding the basic data.
Fair enough. The what is “good” is a big part of this. Offering kids chances for relative success is a good thing. And doesn’t prevent kids from going to national tournaments.No need to be bewildered and assume the superior or exceptional position here. I think people can understand as a hypothetical: If 0.5% of HS males could make good wrestlers and School A has 1000 males, the school will have 5 good wrestlers. If School B has 500 males, the school will have 2.5 great wrestlers. If School C has 200 males, the school will have 1 good wrestler.
Of course we need to define “good wrestler.
I actually am in complete agreement with your position from the moment you first commented. ?
Is Evansville all boys? I know Ohio is one of the few states that actually does classifications based of gender enrollmentFor a state with as many schools as Ohio has, three is about right.
Indiana is often brought up as a model to emulate by the single-classification crowd. The big schools dominate in Indiana, and have for a long time. Somebody posted this on the Indiana Mat forum about the 14 state champions this year:
106 - school enrollment 1,819
113 - school enrollment 2,445
120 - school enrollment 2,063
126 - school enrollment 1,099 (this is Indianapolis Cathedral, one of the most powerful parochial schools in the state - multi-time team champion. They compete in the IHSWCA state duals in 4A)
132 - school enrollment 2,810
138 - school enrollment 2,855
145 - school enrollment 2,055
152 - school enrollment 1,815 (this is Floyd Central, which competes in the IHSWCA state duals in 3A despite their large size)
160 - school enrollment 497 (this is Evansville Mater Dei, which obviously needs no introduction. They compete in the IHSWCA state duals in 4A, and blew away the field this year)
170 - school enrollment 1,225
182 - school enrollment 497 (this is Mater Dei again, see 160)
195 - school enrollment 225 (this is Indianapolis Lutheran, which may not have had a state placewinner before this kid, Hayden Filipovich)
220 - school enrollment 1,747
285 - school enrollment 2,412
The top 12 teams in the team standings were all from the 4A dual classification. Floyd Central was 13th.
I went ahead and added up the overall class breakdown individually:
Champions - 4A, 11; 3A, 2; 2A, 0; 1A, 1
Finalists - 4A, 19; 3A, 6; 2A, 2; 1A, 1
Placewinners - 4A, 73; 3A, 27; 2A, 6; 1A, 6
These numbers are typical. A similar setup in Ohio, with everyone tossed in the same qualifying pool, would produce state tournaments dominated by the biggest Division I schools and parochials. There's no reason to think otherwise based on the evidence.
Keep that quiet or we might have to redo the numbers ?Is Evansville all boys? I know Ohio is one of the few states that actually does classifications based of gender enrollment