Would NIL kill sports ( especially basketball) in Ohio?

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tom 48

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Since fewer players are needed for basketball than football, will NIL make basketball less competitive and cause a split between the schools that take advantage of it and those which can't?

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I think it depends if they allow it at the High School level…

if they do you will see two distinct levels the program that can afford to pay those players and those who can’t. That will be ugly all of the good talent will go to the schools that can’t pay.

If the don’t allow it…you will see that top 1%-2% leave the traditional HS route and go where they can get paid. It won’t change the competitiveness, but it will water down the talent in the OHSAA
 
While I'm not a fan of NIL in HS, I believe it is definitely coming to Ohio. Players will be paid to make super teams. It will not be fun to watch.

Might even get to a point that HS sports are separated from schools altogether.
 
NIL is a train thats coming for sure but...no high schools are gonna pay players in Ohio. Not gonna happen.
 
Yes it would ruin it. In my neck of the woods especially. Even in all sports where there now 7 divisions it would be very difficult to defeat these teams that would be able to spend money
 
Vinegar said:
NIL is a train thats coming for sure but...no high schools are gonna pay players in Ohio. Not gonna happen.
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But, some towns could have their football captain do a car commercial or endorse a local restaurant, sign pictures or jerseys, or do appearances.
 
tom 48 said:
But, some towns could have their football captain do a car commercial or endorse a local restaurant, sign pictures or jerseys, or do appearances.
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Then little Johnny's mom will be calling the coach asking why her son wasn't in the commercials or he wasn't getting paid. You think politics are bad now, throw a little money in the pot and watch the parents and kids start to turn on each other. Talk about jealousy and team chemistry issues. Should be fun to watch in the years to come.
 
I don't think there will be alot of advertisements coming from businesses hiring through NIL. I think it will simply be money paid to players to steer them to a specific school. With NIL, they can legally do it instead of it being under the table.
 
99.99% of people won’t even notice it once it’s legal. The overreactions regarding this topic that come around every other month are insane

Nobody is paying players to attend a certain high school…and if someone did want to do that, they could just as easily write a kid’s parents a check currently and have a 0% chance of ever being caught

NIL is legal at the collegiate D2-D3 level too and I bet nobody has heard a single thing about how they have been negatively impacted. John Carroll sure has some wealthy supporters, where is their “super team?”
 
IF this were to be a thing, you would see more "academies" pop up. Things would trend more towards the European-model of sports academies and athletic clubs. However, high school sports are never going away and will always be attached to their schools. High school sports allow opportunities for all students regardless of background or financial status, and not enough is said about that.
 
tom 48 said:
But, some towns could have their football captain do a car commercial or endorse a local restaurant, sign pictures or jerseys, or do appearances.
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It all depends how it's written up.

There are States that allow kids to make money....but the Sport or School can not be part of any of the advertising. Meaning, the team couldn't have a logo of a business on their uniform. No commercials in a uniform. School has copies of all agreements on file. But, if the State Reps end up mandating it...then put on your seat belts. There is one State that happened....and kids in PRIVATE SCHOOLS could get $$$$$ but kids in Public Schools could not. Another State legislation made it so kids could get NIL money only if they went to an in State College or University. If they went out of State for College, they have to give it back.

Point being, if the State membership actually votes on something that makes sense, it will mostly make sense. If the government gets involved, well, I have no faith in the end product. Those jackballs don't look past who is giving them money.

I am way more concerned with automatic, no challenge transfers being allowed. That is what has ruined things in College...and for High School Seniors. That is against everything the High School experience stands for.
 
These players are being treated like NBA lottery picks. Not saying Kameron Mercer will fizzle out but most players at this age that are rated so highly usually fade before making it big on the NBA stage. It happens in every sport and the autographs are mostly worthless. Of course, there are the occasional players that do make it but they are the exception rather than the rule. Not sure how much longer the collectible market can sustain this type of projection of future stardom.

But it will definitely hurt HS basketball. I can't blame the player. Make millions now and forget about the HS experience. Huntington is not a HS basketball team. Just another professional team pretending they are a HS team.
 
It would be even more of a disaster at the high school level.

Sadly, some schools would let some of these grown men run with it, and it wouldn't end well. Also, some schools would never even touch it.

It would be ultra corrupt and create a huge chasm between those that accept it and those that shun it. Honestly, if there isn't adults in the room that understand this, that's an even bigger problem.
 
Saw tonight someone (can't remember who but I believe it was a former NBA player) arguing that Ohio will fall behind if they don't start NIL.

While I agree that we will fall behind other states, I don't believe enabling NIL will change anything. Players are going to continue going to basketball factories. It is the worst sport for transient players because it is much easier to bring a group of 5 talented players together than trying to do the same in larger team sports.

Real HS basketball is going to continue to slide as the top players go to minor league pro teams who hide out at the HS level. Just like college basketball suffered with all the top players being one-and-done or skipping college altogether, high school basketball is just going to have to make due with the kids who stay home.

I'm personally not taking a side on the NIL issue as I can be persuaded it is inevitable. All I am saying is that most of the top players don't factor into the equation. They will not be playing for the local HS team anyway. And I certainly don't want to create powerful teams inside the OHSAA that are built through NIL.
 
I was "arguing" with that Twitter post that said we needed to start NIL in Ohio or get left behind. IMO, the NIL issue is already creating havoc. Enabling it will not help the OHSAA. NIL helps the basketball factories. It may also help a few select basketball schools in the OHSAA. It will kill HS sports at the rest of the OHSAA schools.

I think it is inevitable that it will pass in the OHSAA but it will not help the OHSAA as a whole. We won't get an influx of new players and probably won't be able to stop the kids going to the basketball schools.
 
Vinegar said:
NIL is a train thats coming for sure but...no high schools are gonna pay players in Ohio. Not gonna happen.
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It’s called Boosters. Just like in college, the few HS’s who have big boosters will dominate. Colleges don’t pay NIL. Boosters do.
 
tom 48 said:
I was speaking with a retired hs head basketball who told me that you'd be crazy if you think that some Ohio hs players aren't being paid.
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Agreed. I know of a couple stories that I trust to be true. People are paying loads of money for their kids to get better opportunities in sports. Not a real stretch that some money/benefits end up in the pockets of star players.
 
Yappi said:
Agreed. I know of a couple stories that I trust to be true. People are paying loads of money for their kids to get better opportunities in sports. Not a real stretch that some money/benefits end up in the pockets of star players.
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Problem is , this becomes AAU basketball on the HS team. Only a few chosen ones get the money. If this happens in HS basketball and it Will , only a handful of teams will ever have a chance to even get to a final 4 ! An incredible injustice to our Youth !
 
1 time said:
Problem is , this becomes AAU basketball on the HS team. Only a few chosen ones get the money. If this happens in HS basketball and it Will , only a handful of teams will ever have a chance to even get to a final 4 ! An incredible injustice to our Youth !
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I don't think paying players is going to equate to final fours. For the schools that are willing to pay players, you also need to have adults in the room to manage the mess it brings with it. Without that, it all falls apart. It would be complete chaos in most of these schools and a detriment to the team dynamic. No chance teams like that can make a final four.

Honestly, I would give the edge to good programs that refuse to pay players. Offering reduced/free tuition is one thing, paying cash puts this into a realm that these schools are not equipped to handle.
 
BeneBengalAlum said:
99.99% of people won’t even notice it once it’s legal. The overreactions regarding this topic that come around every other month are insane

Nobody is paying players to attend a certain high school…and if someone did want to do that, they could just as easily write a kid’s parents a check currently and have a 0% chance of ever being caught

NIL is legal at the collegiate D2-D3 level too and I bet nobody has heard a single thing about how they have been negatively impacted. John Carroll sure has some wealthy supporters, where is their “super team?”
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This right here. Kids transfer now for free. (as far as we know) Very few rich alums are out there clamoring for the chance to give some 17 year old a few grand to get his alma mater a state championship. If there was money to give away like that, lots of schools would have top notch facilities. Donating a few million that way can at least be a tax write off. Any kid really worth the money will be at a prep school playing nationally and getting big money. (see Darryn Peterson)
 
Dayride said:
This right here. Kids transfer now for free. (as far as we know) Very few rich alums are out there clamoring for the chance to give some 17 year old a few grand to get his alma mater a state championship. If there was money to give away like that, lots of schools would have top notch facilities. Donating a few million that way can at least be a tax write off. Any kid really worth the money will be at a prep school playing nationally and getting big money. (see Darryn Peterson)
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It’s coming and the Rich will get Richer. Mostly in the bigger Cities. A slow process will get heated up in the next 3-4 years.
 
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