It's a team game, not a one player team. If one player causes a complete collapse of a team when you team is stocked with some all-pro players on the roster such as Indy has, then it falls on the coach. Coach Bill in New England would not have a complete collapse like Indy has had this season.
And how, pray tell, do youi know that?And what all-pro's did Indy have? Did you watch any football this year? MVP which is what this thread is about is an individual award not a team game award and not having Peyton Manning this season caused the whole organization to collapse from Poliani(GM) to Caldwell.
Furthermore NE would win 1 to 3 games w/o Brady this year..
And how, pray tell, do youi know that?
Wow. Great way to prove your point. :clap:Better yet, you tell me how they would?
I'm going to throw this out there....I honestly think Peyton Manning deserves to be MVP. I've never seen 1 player be so valuable to a team. Tom Brady is as valuable, if he's out NE has the 1st pick in the following draft just like Indy.
But he is the most valuable to his team out of anyone.
He did it for a bazillion straight years. If he does it again next year, then you have to retroactively give Peyton the 2011 MVP award. If they suck again next year with him, then you have a case against him.
Which of these players is most valuable to their team?
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
Peyton
I don't see how you can't answer Peyton. Hence, he is the most valuable player out of those guys.
You're right, if we were talking about past MVP awards. This is "who was most valuable on the field with their team in TWO THOUSAND AND ELEVEN".
It's a lot closer thanOh that's the name of the award? Most valuable on the field with their team? Oh ok.
In seasons where they both play....probably. I don't see how "guessing" how a guy "might" have done qualifies him for any award.So you don't think Peyton is more valuable to his team than Rogers?
You're right, if we were talking about past MVP awards. This is "who was most valuable on the field with their team in TWO THOUSAND AND ELEVEN".
So you think Peyton was more valuable to the 2011 Colts than Rodgers was to his 2011 Packers? ROFLMFAO if so.
If Brady does not put up 30+ points a game then his team probably only has 2 0r 3 wins.
No other team in the league has wide recievers playing DB in the NFL because all of the starters got hurt.
His defense is second to last place in total yards allowed. Green Bay is last, but Green Bay's defense is first in turnovers.
Brady makes his teammates into pro-bowlers. Nobody knew who Wes Welker was before he came to New England. Nobody thought Gronkowski or Hernandez would blow up, and they did so because of Brady.
It is the Colts fault for not having a back up in place to run the offense in case he got hurt, which is something New England did when Brady got hurt.
[B]2008 Patriots - 11-5[/B] [b]2011 Patriots - 13-3[/b]
[U]Passing[/U] [u]Passing[/u]
APG: 33.4 (12th) APG: 38.2 (3rd)
YPG: 223.1 (12th) YPG: 317.8 (2nd)
TDs: 21 (13th) TDs: 39 (4th)
INT: 11 (7th) INT: 12 (T-5th)
[U]Rushing[/U] [U]Rushing[/U]
APG: 32.1 (4th) APG: 27.4 (17th)
YPG: 142.4 (6th) YPG: 110.2 (20th)
TDs: 20 (4th) TDs: 18 (T-3rd)
[U]Defense[/U] [u]Defense[/u]
RYG: 107.6 (15th) RYG: 117.1 (17th)
RTD: 8 (T-4th) RTD: 13 (19th)
PYG: 201.4 (11th) PYG: 293.9 (31st)
PTD: 27 (31st) PTD: 26 (T-22nd)
INT: 14 (T-15th) INT: 31 (2nd)
FR: 9 (20th) FR: 11 (T-7th)
No, he should keep his show and have you on it. The idiocy would be priceless.Yes I do. Realistically I know Peyton can't win and I knew I would get negative feedback I'm cool with that however in saying that it shows how valuable one guy is to his team. It's hard for anybody to win in Green Bay regardless who the quarterback is (Flynn).
New Orleans has a great offensive scheme ran by a great QB but Brees does not have the impact that Manning or Brady has.
By the way Doug Gottlieb said the same thing on his radio show on ESPN radio so I guess he needs to have his show cancelled and stop analyzing.
Rodgers statistically had the best season a QB has ever had. If he had played the last game (assuming he puts up similar numbers to Flynn) he ends up with 50 TDs and 6 picks. That is ridiculous
It is the Colts fault for not having a back up in place to run the offense in case he got hurt, which is something New England did when Brady got hurt.