Week 6: Elder
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FourthAndOne
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great thing with HS is Vollmer can develop over the course of the season and be a spark plug come playoff time. HS season can take a physical toll on underclassmen. Vollmer is a good size kid, but there is no need to over utilize him at this point.
Wilson2122
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That logic makes a lot of sense. But if they have any thoughts of using Vollmer later they need to give him a few complete series soon show whether he can handle it or not. Friday showed that putting him in randomly for one play has potential for big mistakes. I'm sure they're under a lot of outside pressure on that idea though.
wrestlingdad3
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Vollmer played the entire JV game Saturday morning vs Moeller and did not look good at all. It may have been the fact he was trying to do to much but after watching that game I now know why he is not playing more varsity. Moeller won the JV game and neither team was that impressive.
Westsidepublic
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wasn’t there, but people I talked to said he split time for the JV game, that is absolutely crazy. I’m sure he practices with varsity, to try and play QB without practicing with the team to be able to have any kind of timing with receivers or just as important the center.
BOMBERFAN1
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After seeing the team this year I think they need to simplify the offense and get back to the basics. The system worked great with talented throwers and great athletes (Rueve, Clifford, Lang, Klare, Patterson, McCaughey) but this team doesn't seem to be the same as years past. Should be a good challenge this week back at home to try and get back on track. Lets GO X!
I wouldn't say split. The normal starter only played 3 series.
Wilson2122
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Just watched on ESPX. McDonald played 3 series, the 1st, 5th, and 8th. McDonald is another sophomore that could contribute to varsity. He was RB last year and this year is JV QB so he's definitely versatile and athletic. Vollmer looked so-so in JV game. Very dangerous as a runner including a long TD run. Throws were ok at best but timing with receivers looked off. He fumbled which is not good.
FourthAndOne
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speaking from experience with both of my sons who were on Varsity and played some JV games as well the same week. You would think the playbook is the same for all, but it is not. JV runs the same concepts but the plays are numbered/labeled differently and as a QB I could see how this could be even more confusing.
FourthAndOne
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agree with this 100 percent. not taking anything away from QB1 but if you look back at Mccaughey his junior season the kid was absolutely lights out. he also had one of the best OLs we have seen in StX for quite some time, but then again there is a reason they won the State that season. they had elite athletes, high level QB, and an OL that could do just about anything
bomberinmonroe
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My thoughts exactly. The act is getting pretty old, and I'm sure Specht is not happy with the lack of ball control. The OC has zero ability to adapt to the type of talent he has or what the defense is doing. It's been a very frustrating two seasons and even back to the end of the '21 season.
You could have stuck Herbstreit on job and it would be the same result. I think JV should have rolled with the team that had been winning up to that point instead of sprinkling in different guys.
X doesn’t have a QB problem, the Evil Empire does
EE QB was 6 for 21 for 62 yards.
Similar stats in their playoff loss last year when he was 3 for 16 for 21 yards.
Herbstreit completed 24 passes for 261 yards with 1 TD and 3 INTs
The coaches I spoke with said 2 of his 3 INTs were tip drills by the receivers and that there were multiple drops similar to Withrow game
They threw the ball 2 of every 3 plays which is entirely too much but that's what happens when you get behind
This offense needs to be 50-50
Looking at the boxscore and thinking about the first 4 games maybe Herbie has been locking on Bennett too much
Bennett had 12 of the 24 catches in the game.....need to spread it out more.
Heard after halftime they really tried to get Klare more involved in the passing game which is a good thing (5 for 70 yards)
X has a turnover problem and a run game issue.
5 turnovers....all figured in their 2 TDs and 2 FGs
So what’s wrong with the run game?
OLine no push? Missing blocks? Not clicking as a unit?
The 2 sacks, 7 tackles for loss and Herbie's line of 5 carries for -12 yards says a lot
Running backs not healthy?
Patrick’s been out all year, Britt just came back after missing Withrow and Napier may not have it all together.
Britt and Napier combined for 18 carries for 58 yards, a 3.2 ypc which needs to be up around 4.5 so X isn’t looking at so many passing situations
The head scratcher is Vollmer.....he's 1 of X's most dangerous ball carriers (needs 10 touches per game)
He only got the 1 chance and then played most of the JV game the next day
Oline play hasn't been great but the main run game issue is due to defenses not respecting the QB's arm/ ability to beat them with pass. Trying to run against a stack box is difficult for any HS offense.
FourthAndOne
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Klare is probably the best receiving target on the team
Bennett is by far the fastest of the WRs and seems to be the only one that can consistently create separation.
Vollmer could be a weapon, but everybody in the stadium knows when he is in the game it is 90% him taking the snap and running
Bennett is by far the fastest of the WRs and seems to be the only one that can consistently create separation.
Vollmer could be a weapon, but everybody in the stadium knows when he is in the game it is 90% him taking the snap and running
robertbob9876
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The fact that Vollmer is playing JV is such a joke. He is the best athlete on the field, legit D1 prospect and he's playing JV. He'd start at quarterback for nearly every team in Ohio. JV!!!!
No idea what the OC is doing. People say the "playbook is complex", who cares about complexity, get your best athletes the ball in space and let them make plays.
At what point does "winning" become the priority?
Wilson2122
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Can't figure that out either. The kid is a freak of an athlete so find a way to use him. Makes you wonder
Westsidepublic
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Is there any thought the kid wants to play QB and doesn’t want to play another position.
He does, but he’s a team guy and will do what he’s asked
Doublehelix
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I'd also make sure Vollmer has a bunch of touches against Elder. Elder's achilles heel is speed.
If you play smash mouth football with Elder, you likely lose. Get the kid the ball in space.
If you play smash mouth football with Elder, you likely lose. Get the kid the ball in space.
He's not ready to be varsity QB.
Not sure QB is his position at the next level.
He's elusive, fast and solid at 6'2" 205lb
I think something happened Friday night that kept him out and they wanted him to get some game work the next day
I fully expect him to resume as an important part of the varsity offense (jet sweeps, wildcat, power runs etc) and special teams (returning kicks) this Friday and the rest of the season
GO X!
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WorkRoadSammy
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Watching the replay of the game on ESPX. Is it possible to have more offensive penalties, false starts, illegal formation and holdings? - X own announcers were even frustrated. The X players look confused all the time, they even said "We were still not getting lined up correctly last year up to week 10." How hard is it? Is it a lack of preparation or coaching or maybe X kids aren't as smart as we have been told.
WorkRoadSammy
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WorkRoadSammy
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This is coming straight from the West Side, the best two quarterbacks in the program are playing safties on Defense.
bomberinmonroe
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Eh, O'Malley didn't look like a QB back there last year, at least not for this offense. X's OC has a bad habit of trying to be too cute, and has pet plays that he insists on running continuously even though they're getting read and blown up. People in motion every damn play, usually for no purpose because the defense isn't moving with them. The talent is there, but there is zero flow and confidence right now.
Idk if it's the QB's not seeing it, or the first 3 reads all being downfield and outside, but they miss more open men in the middle and the flat than any team ever should. Take the damn 5-7 yard chunks, and when the safeties have to come up, then hit the deep ball. It has to be frustrating for the kids as well.
Doublehelix
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O'Malley and Weber?
The westside, especially Omar, has been tooting Weber's horn since he was in 5th grade. He's a good athlete and a good HS player, but as typical with westside blow-hards, he completely over-estimated his talent level. He was predicting D1 and a state championship team starter for 5 years. And then got really mad when he didn't go to Elder. He said the same thing about him playing basketball at Elder.
Again, a good HS athlete, but not even close to what he was hyped to be (not the kid's fault, it's the westside morons for crowning these kids for dominating the Catholic leagues in 6th grade).
Bomber Fan
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I agree with the previous comments. Get the ball in the hands of playmakers to include numbers 87, 6, 3. Simplify things.
Sad commentary from ReLoad that the Trotwood Withrow game was canceled in the third quarter due to an on-field fight. Disappointing to hear.
Sad commentary from ReLoad that the Trotwood Withrow game was canceled in the third quarter due to an on-field fight. Disappointing to hear.