Week 13 - Division 2 Region 5 Semifinal - Holy War 2.0 - Hoban (11-1) vs SVSM (8-3)

[Cougarfan22]

I say BS. Why take the chance of your starters getting hurt due to unnecessary play. The outcome wasn’t in doubt. Tyrell taking his shots because SVSM stopped the games due to Hoban coaches bad behavior.

Nice pictures here by Mike Cardew

Archbishop Hoban vs. St. Vincent-St. Mary | OHSAA football regional semifinal

Photos from Archbishop Hoban and St. Vincent-St. Mary playing in an OHSAA football Division II regional semifinal at the University of Akron.

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Yea I am sure St V pulls their starters in the 3rd quarter. Call BS?? What a joke.

 

[Football Fan 1]

I'm sorry, but this is complete nonsense. You want him to pull his starters at 33-7 with 7 min left in the 3rd qtr? Tyrrell has never been one to run up the score in all the games I've seen him coach at Hoban, and has had multiple opportunities to do so vs STV in recent years and hasn't done it. This is the regional semis, if you want your opponent to stop scoring in the 3rd qtr, then I suggest playing better and getting a stop.

Tyrell had his starters in a 40-7 game with a running clock in the 4th quarter…please don’t say he wasn’t trying to run up the score.

How about giving some of the backups who work really hard in practice some meaningful playing time in a regional semi final? Bottom line is the coach doesn’t care about those kids…he just cares about the final score so he can beat his chest and say look at me.

Congrats to the Knights on the win and good luck going forward

 

[clarkgriswold]

Who'd have thought these arguments would have broken out? LOL.

I am an SVSM grad, but I went there 40 years ago and I'm not one of those "rah rah", "be true to your school guys" so I'd like to think I'm pretty objective on these things.

Tyrrell comes across as arrogant but with his record he has a little of that coming given his record and he doesn't have to answer to anyone other than his players and administration and as long as they're happy what anyone on the outside thinks doesn't matter. I think it is most telling, and a real positive, that the parents of his players and former players are his greatest defenders. As to the starters staying in, it is a bad look. I tend to think they're trying to swing Mr. Football votes and accolades for Sperling.

As for SVSM, Cistone has done a nice job bringing some enthusiasm back to the Irish but the last month or so shows there's still some work to be done. That work is made tougher by losing by 40 to your biggest rival as the top kids consider that in choosing their school.

 

[CoachesEgo]

Tyrell had his starters in a 40-7 game with a running clock in the 4th quarter…please don’t say he wasn’t trying to run up the score.

How about giving some of the backups who work really hard in practice some meaningful playing time in a regional semi final? Bottom line is the coach doesn’t care about those kids…he just cares about the final score so he can beat his chest and say look at me.

Congrats to the Knights on the win and good luck going forward

Amen! Well said.

 

[CoachesEgo]

Yea I am sure St V pulls their starters in the 3rd quarter. Call BS?? What a joke.

And another reply from the guy on Timmy’s payroll

 

[ArmChairCoach]

Who'd have thought these arguments would have broken out? LOL.

I am an SVSM grad, but I went there 40 years ago and I'm not one of those "rah rah", "be true to your school guys" so I'd like to think I'm pretty objective on these things.

Tyrrell comes across as arrogant but with his record he has a little of that coming given his record and he doesn't have to answer to anyone other than his players and administration and as long as they're happy what anyone on the outside thinks doesn't matter. I think it is most telling, and a real positive, that the parents of his players and former players are his greatest defenders. As to the starters staying in, it is a bad look. I tend to think they're trying to swing Mr. Football votes and accolades for Sperling.

As for SVSM, Cistone has done a nice job bringing some enthusiasm back to the Irish but the last month or so shows there's still some work to be done. That work is made tougher by losing by 40 to your biggest rival as the top kids consider that in choosing their school.

Lol parents of starters. I’d talk to the parents of players who aren’t getting reps but busting their butts every day for the team. Then your opinion may change. But you know if junior doesn’t play then the parents are just disgruntled.

 

[Mountaineer]

Good for him. The Irish can learn a thing or two from this one.

Learn what? To expand their recruiting base to other states?

 

[buchtalgriffs]

Ok now the facts. The series is over for now. Coach Terry Cistone has done a great job. The Irish were blessed with a very talented senior class (2023). The Irish have their work cut out for them and I would hope the program drops to Division D3 and keep focused on the Student Athlete. I Look for the Irish to continue forge forward in hopes of assembling or joining a conference. Irish Alumni will need to accept this!! Coach knows what he is doing. As for the Hoban rivalry it is over for the time being. Hoban has its own multiple county/state academy recruiting philosophy plus a an “Armor” AAU Youth Football program U10 through U14 all star teams that practice and play their games at Dowd Field at Archbishop Hoban. They are building relationships and hand picking players who may wear the Blue & Gold uniform in the future. Folks you have two rival schools with philosophiccal differences. Hoban has very deep pockets. Take nothing away from Coach Tyrell success and his ability to build a collegiate style program at a inner city Parachoil high school. He is a trailblazer and has Full support from the powers to be and will continue to be successful. Personally I have been at the grass roots level for over 20 years and have seen it all. Time heals all that wounds and This rivalry will repair itself and return one day in the future. In the meantime Go Irish and Good Luck to all local teams in Summit County.

So, bottom line is that St V is scared to play Hoban cause they too good?

 

[Cougarfan22]

Ok now the facts. The series is over for now. Coach Terry Cistone has done a great job. The Irish were blessed with a very talented senior class (2023). The Irish have their work cut out for them and I would hope the program drops to Division D3 and keep focused on the Student Athlete. I Look for the Irish to continue forge forward in hopes of assembling or joining a conference. Irish Alumni will need to accept this!! Coach knows what he is doing. As for the Hoban rivalry it is over for the time being. Hoban has its own multiple county/state academy recruiting philosophy plus a an “Armor” AAU Youth Football program U10 through U14 all star teams that practice and play their games at Dowd Field at Archbishop Hoban. They are building relationships and hand picking players who may wear the Blue & Gold uniform in the future. Folks you have two rival schools with philosophiccal differences. Hoban has very deep pockets. Take nothing away from Coach Tyrell success and his ability to build a collegiate style program at a inner city Parachoil high school. He is a trailblazer and has Full support from the powers to be and will continue to be successful. Personally I have been at the grass roots level for over 20 years and have seen it all. Time heals all that wounds and This rivalry will repair itself and return one day in the future. In the meantime Go Irish and Good Luck to all local teams in Summit County.

Kinda like coach Joyce and the old King James AAU basketball organization. You know, the one that coach Joyce ran for years in Akron/Cleveland/state wide? The one that he used to hand pick the best basketball players in the state. Coach T just followed the blueprint that St V used for basketball and applied it to football. Thanks coach Joyce for showing Hoban how to destroy a rivalry.

 

[clarkgriswold]

Ok now the facts. The series is over for now. Coach Terry Cistone has done a great job. The Irish were blessed with a very talented senior class (2023). The Irish have their work cut out for them and I would hope the program drops to Division D3 and keep focused on the Student Athlete. I Look for the Irish to continue forge forward in hopes of assembling or joining a conference. Irish Alumni will need to accept this!! Coach knows what he is doing. As for the Hoban rivalry it is over for the time being. Hoban has its own multiple county/state academy recruiting philosophy plus a an “Armor” AAU Youth Football program U10 through U14 all star teams that practice and play their games at Dowd Field at Archbishop Hoban. They are building relationships and hand picking players who may wear the Blue & Gold uniform in the future. Folks you have two rival schools with philosophiccal differences. Hoban has very deep pockets. Take nothing away from Coach Tyrell success and his ability to build a collegiate style program at a inner city Parachoil high school. He is a trailblazer and has Full support from the powers to be and will continue to be successful. Personally I have been at the grass roots level for over 20 years and have seen it all. Time heals all that wounds and This rivalry will repair itself and return one day in the future. In the meantime Go Irish and Good Luck to all local teams in Summit County.

Kinda like coach Joyce and the old King James AAU basketball organization. You know, the one that coach Joyce ran for years in Akron/Cleveland/state wide? The one that he used to hand pick the best basketball players in the state. Coach T just followed the blueprint that St V used for basketball and applied it to football. Thanks coach Joyce for showing Hoban how to destroy a rivalry.

I've brought this up many times before but I think it bears repeating. Before Hoban's run when SVSM was flourishing there were murmurs among the Hoban faithful to the effect that they could hold their heads high as they "didn't do things like St. V." Tyrell came in and Hoban since has done "things like St. V", only better. Now the SVSM folks are critical of the way Hoban does things.

From an objective distance, it's really all quite amusing.

 

[buchtalgriffs]

I've brought this up many times before but I think it bears repeating. Before Hoban's run when SVSM was flourishing there were murmurs among the Hoban faithful to the effect that they could hold their heads high as they "didn't do things like St. V." Tyrell came in and Hoban since has done "things like St. V", only better. Now the SVSM folks are critical of the way Hoban does things.

From an objective distance, it's really all quite amusing.

I've always respected st v's cause i felt they were tough and wouldn't shy away from anyone. Seems like the new coach would rather have wins than challenge his team by playing the best teams. Hey kids, if you can't beat a team, stop playing them. That'll help make you the best you can be.

 

[TigerPaw]

I've brought this up many times before but I think it bears repeating. Before Hoban's run when SVSM was flourishing there were murmurs among the Hoban faithful to the effect that they could hold their heads high as they "didn't do things like St. V." Tyrell came in and Hoban since has done "things like St. V", only better. Now the SVSM folks are critical of the way Hoban does things.

From an objective distance, it's really all quite amusing.

Very objective. From Moeller to Iggy to Ed to LaSalle & Hoban it does seem the same stories repeat themselves over time. Hoban’s turn now and I might argue the best of the bunch considering true enrollment. Probably as close as I think Ohio wants to see of an AAU or IMG program.

 

[buchtalgriffs]

Ok now the facts. The series is over for now. Coach Terry Cistone has done a great job. The Irish were blessed with a very talented senior class (2023). The Irish have their work cut out for them and I would hope the program drops to Division D3 and keep focused on the Student Athlete. I Look for the Irish to continue forge forward in hopes of assembling or joining a conference. Irish Alumni will need to accept this!! Coach knows what he is doing. As for the Hoban rivalry it is over for the time being. Hoban has its own multiple county/state academy recruiting philosophy plus a an “Armor” AAU Youth Football program U10 through U14 all star teams that practice and play their games at Dowd Field at Archbishop Hoban. They are building relationships and hand picking players who may wear the Blue & Gold uniform in the future. Folks you have two rival schools with philosophiccal differences. Hoban has very deep pockets. Take nothing away from Coach Tyrell success and his ability to build a collegiate style program at a inner city Parachoil high school. He is a trailblazer and has Full support from the powers to be and will continue to be successful. Personally I have been at the grass roots level for over 20 years and have seen it all. Time heals all that wounds and This rivalry will repair itself and return one day in the future. In the meantime Go Irish and Good Luck to all local teams in Summit County.

And another thing if what you say about the series being over for now is true (and I think it is based on what I'm hearing) then st v's should just own it and be a man and deal with the fallout. Don't be all pretending "oh we'll evaluate after the season" in the newspaper, which they've done now in 2 diff articles. The fact that they won't admit the truth tells me they are embarrassed and know it makes them look like they are unwilling to face the best competition. Better to have it happen in the cover of darkness/ambiguity (oh the school eventually decided to move in a different direction) than be accountable. I would imagine coach's message to his players is to accept responsibility and be accountable, so hopefully the school can heed that message.

 

[SeeYaSometime]

And another thing if what you say about the series being over for now is true (and I think it is based on what I'm hearing) then st v's should just own it and be a man and deal with the fallout. Don't be all pretending "oh we'll evaluate after the season" in the newspaper, which they've done now in 2 diff articles. The fact that they won't admit the truth tells me they are embarrassed and know it makes them look like they are unwilling to face the best competition. Better to have it happen in the cover of darkness/ambiguity (oh the school eventually decided to move in a different direction) than be accountable. I would imagine coach's message to his players is to accept responsibility and be accountable, so hopefully the school can heed that message.

The current coach had no say in the decision. He is not ducking anyone. The reason for the suspension of play was discussed thoroughly in a previous thread following the in season game, Read from Post 140 on.

Akron Holy War- 2022- Hoban @ SVSM

4th and 9 for Irish. Hoban kids celebrate every play.

yappi.com

 

[buchtalgriffs]

The current coach had no say in the decision. He is not ducking anyone. The reason for the suspension of play was discussed thoroughly in a previous thread following the in season game, Read from Post 140 on.

Akron Holy War- 2022- Hoban @ SVSM

4th and 9 for Irish. Hoban kids celebrate every play.

yappi.com

You are demonstrating my point for me thank you.

Pretending that the football coach has no impact on who his team plays is ridiculous and is part of the "plausable deniability" that st v's is trying to use. Muddy the waters, never quite commit to a decision, always "still evaluating". In the end the decision will have been made by faceless beurocrats and "it was out of our hands". I call bs on that. Again, I guarantee that st v's coach's message is for players to accept responsibility and be accountable, yet the coach and the school cannot do it themsleves.

Secondly, in the referenced thread, you state:

Tyrell knows why SVSM won’t play them next year and he can’t handle it. It all stems from an incident following last year’s game instigated by a Hoban coach and witnessed by a SVSM administrator. The decision was made then.

So, in your telling, st v's made the decision A YEAR AGO, yet doesn't have the wherewithall to come out in the newspaper and OWN IT. Ask yourself, why are they unwilling to state this publically but rather would like to send out their spokespeople like yourself to create inuendo and tell everyone the real reasons? Might they realize they are on the wrong side of the issue and are embarrassed by it? If what you are saying is true, it is dishonorable what st v's is doing in the newspapers.

Further, you are saying that some bad behavior by a hoban coach makes st v's want to pick up their toys and go home. That again makes the team look like woosies. "coach was mean to me..." No consideration for the years-long tradition that the kids from both schools love simply because an opposing coach did something that was wrong. Used to be that teams would respond to that by wooping their opponents. no longer i guess.

 

[Mountaineer]

Can anyone explain what this alleged incident is?

 

[wildcat71]

Lol parents of starters. I’d talk to the parents of players who aren’t getting reps but busting their butts every day for the team. Then your opinion may change. But you know if junior doesn’t play then the parents are just disgruntled.

Paying big tuition bucks( or " sponsors are") to sit....makes sense!

 

[buchtalgriffs]

Can anyone explain what this alleged incident is?

Whatever happened last year, it was so outrageous that...st v's decided to play hoban this year.

 

[clarkgriswold]

This entire debate has become Akron's version of the Yappi public/private split repetitive threads. It's now been rehashed in 4 separate threads.

Until the powers that be are willing to sit down and have an adult conversation about the underlying issues and events, no progress is going to be made. In fact, their inability or unwillingness to do so is a pretty strong indicator that maybe it's a good time for them each to go their own way.

Oh, and to respond to a prior post, this year's game was at Green Street.

 

[Cougarfan22]

This entire debate has become Akron's version of the Yappi public/private split repetitive threads. It's now been rehashed in 4 separate threads.

Until the powers that be are willing to sit down and have an adult conversation about the underlying issues and events, no progress is going to be made. In fact, their inability or unwillingness to do so is a pretty strong indicator that maybe it's a good time for them each to go their own way.

Oh, and to respond to a prior post, this year's game was at Green Street.

What underlying issues and events? Can you elaborate?

 

[buchtalgriffs]

Until the powers that be are willing to sit down and have an adult conversation about the underlying issues and events, no progress is going to be made. In fact, their inability or unwillingness to do so is a pretty strong indicator that maybe it's a good time for them each to go their own way.

What makes you think that conversation has not taken place? I was told that it had.

Basically what you are saying is "because hoban wants to continue the rivalry and st v's is refusing to play, it proves that both teams need to go their separate ways", which doesn't sound like a strong argument to me. It is pretty clear which side doesn't want to play. The only thing uncertain is their reasoning, which they refuse to acknowledge publicly, which leads me to believe they are embarrassed by their reasons, because it makes them look like they are shying from competition (which they are). So instead they will hem and haw and "oh my we no longer have an open week next year, sorry".

 

[ArmChairCoach]

Paying big tuition bucks( or " sponsors are") to sit....makes sense!

You know a lot of people go to parochial school for things other than sports. Hoban is still a great academic institution. That being said, the current head coach there has huge favorites in the kids that are there for “football.” The kids who weren’t recruited are treated poorly.

 

[wildcat71]

You know a lot of people go to parochial school for things other than sports. Hoban is still a great academic institution. That being said, the current head coach there has huge favorites in the kids that are there for “football.” The kids who weren’t recruited are treated poorly.

Yes it is. Had a niece and great nephew go there. But really most schools are guilty of not letting all play in a game that for all intents and purposes has been decided.

 

[Cougarfan22]

After reading all these speculative responses I have to shake my head. This is not about he said she said. It is about an even playing field. Hoban has built an incredible recruiting network backed by deep pockets. STVM does not. Thus much of the city talent goes to H. You can’t have your cake and eat it to!!!! Those denying this are lying to you!!!!!!!

Kinda like basketball right? All the talent goes to St V. "You can't have your cake and eat it too!!" Your words.

 

[Cougarfan22]

What a BS response. STVM has played a very competitive sschedueke over the years including Glenville Hoban Cleveland Heights Walsh Jesuit and smacked around the Griffs quite handily over the past decade. The program is not soft but playing an all star team weeks before the payoffs makes no sense. Hoban Created its Own bed as the NCL folded and now the knights are down to St Edwards’s and St Ignatius as local NE Ohio opponents. Why did all the previous opponents decide to no longer play Hoban ??? This is not only a STVM decision. Should one send their son to Hoban to barely play and get a ring or attend another school develop and earn adequate playing time? Both schools are flourishing academically with philosophical differences. For the record STVM still owns 6 State Titles.

So St V kids are not considered all stars? Please STS. Hoban flipped the tables on St V 8 years ago. Before that St V was pulling all the athletes from surrounding counties that now go to Hoban. Deep pockets? I call that good alumni. (Lebron James). Lol.

So because others (Padua, NDCL, Lake catholic) quit playing Hoban then it justifies St V as well? Do you know how weak that is?

Parents choice to send their son/daughter to Hoban and compete for playing time. The difference from a public school is that the best players play. Publics get watered down in politics and parents involvement trying to get there little Johnny on the field. When they don't earn a starting spot they either work harder, support their teammates in practice and other ways or they transfer out.

6 titles. We all know , Hold on to that. Last one was almost 10 years ago.

 

[brian]

That being said, the current head coach there has huge favorites in the kids that are there for “football.” The kids who weren’t recruited are treated poorly.

This is BS. Call him arrogant, classless, or whatever fits your narrative, but the guy does not or has never played favorites and does not treat “non-football” students “poorly”.

Every student, even the kids who play zero sports, those who earn academic recognition, etc. are recruited….as every student since 1953 has been. People only care to complain about recruiting when it applies to standout athletes.

Folks can speculate all they want about “incidents” or complaints the Irish have about Hoban’s football program and team that are causing the Irish administration to perhaps pause the series. Bottom line seems to be that none of these complaints would be un-manageable if StVM were simply winning some of the recent on-field match-ups.

 

[ArmChairCoach]

This is BS. Call him arrogant, classless, or whatever fits your narrative, but the guy does not or has never played favorites and does not treat “non-football” students “poorly”.

Every student, even the kids who play zero sports, those who earn academic recognition, etc. are recruited….as every student since 1953 has been. People only care to complain about recruiting when it applies to standout athletes.

Folks can speculate all they want about “incidents” or complaints the Irish have about Hoban’s football program and team that are causing the Irish administration to perhaps pause the series. Bottom line seems to be that none of these complaints would be un-manageable if StVM were simply winning some of the recent on-field match-ups.

Hahaha please. Have first hand knowledge. And not maybe non- football but definitely the non-starters. Dude plays favorites to his “recruited” players. Look at the QB situation last year, struggled all season and there was never a thought of looking at another option. Think it was pretty apparent there was a competent QB behind them as in Green’s QB.

 

[ArmChairCoach]

Tbh it’s sad Hoban has sold its soul to sports. Yea it is still a great academic school, but the new 4* players coming in at weak positions, AAU peewee team, parents being told to not buy food from booster concessions rather the pizza truck at games in 2021 (went straight to the football team), coaches screaming at midfield pregame, the pst allegations of the AAU team director going to middle school games and talking to players and families at games, etc. it all gets hard to defend from an alumni perspective.

 

[brian]

Hahaha please. Have first hand knowledge. And not maybe non- football but definitely the non-starters. Dude plays favorites to his “recruited” players. Look at the QB situation last year, struggled all season and there was never a thought of looking at another option. Think it was pretty apparent there was a competent QB behind them as in Green’s QB.

This is your opinion and it sounds a little personal. Sour grapes? As someone who has had kids play for the guy, CYO kids who busted their tail and waited their turn for an opportunity by the way, I've known him to be fair, straightforward and consistent in playing the guys who have earned it and who give the team the best opportunity to reach its goals.

The QB who transferred to Green wasn't even the Hoban back-up at that position in '21, by the way.

 

[ArmChairCoach]

No sour grapes. Just observations talking with parents on the team. Always looking for the next best thing.