Week 10: Tallmadge (5-4) @ Green (5-4)

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Yappi

Go Buckeyes
Green Results:
08/30/13 Green (Green) 19 Lake (Uniontown) 28
09/06/13 Green (Green) 42 Jackson (Massillon) 24
09/13/13 Green (Green) 34 Maple Heights (Maple Heights) 20
09/21/13 Green (Green) 27 Revere (Richfield) 12
09/27/13 Green (Green) 14 Nordonia (Macedonia) 49
10/04/13 Green (Green) 55 Cloverleaf (Lodi) 28
10/11/13 Green (Green) 6 Wadsworth (Wadsworth) 42
10/18/13 Green (Green) 20 Highland (Medina) 45
10/25/13 Green (Green) 22 Copley (Copley) 13

Tallmadge Results:
08/30/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 26 Ravenna (Ravenna) 3
09/06/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 29 Ellet (Akron) 37
09/13/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 36 Garfield (Akron) 13
09/20/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 22 Copley (Copley) 16 OT1
09/27/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 30 Revere (Richfield) 7
10/04/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 26 Highland (Medina) 49
10/11/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 14 Nordonia (Macedonia) 48
10/18/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 49 Cloverleaf (Lodi) 28
10/25/13 Tallmadge (Tallmadge) 6 Wadsworth (Wadsworth) 13

Standings:
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[B][U]Division	Team		SL	Overall	PF	PF Avg	PA	PA Avg[/U][/B]
DII	Highland (Medina)	6-0	9-0	353	(39.2)	145	(16.1)
DII	Nordonia (Macedonia)	5-1	8-1	373	(41.4)	134	(14.9)
DI	Wadsworth (Wadsworth)	5-1	8-1	258	(28.7)	82	(9.1)
[COLOR="Red"]DIII	Tallmadge (Tallmadge)	3-3	5-4	238	(26.4)	214	(23.8)
DI	Green (Green)		3-3	5-4	239	(26.6)	261	(29.0)[/COLOR]
DII	Copley (Copley)		1-5	4-5	208	(23.1)	200	(22.2)
DIII	Revere (Richfield)	1-5	2-7	123	(13.7)	270	(30.0)
DIII	Cloverleaf (Lodi)	0-6	2-7	175	(19.4)	293	(32.6)


Computer Points:
Division I Region 1 (top 16 make playoffs)
#9 8-1 Wadsworth 22.1778
#16 5-4 Green 13.5778

Division II Region 4 (top 8 make playoffs)
#1 9-0 Highland 28.8056
#4 8-1 Nordonia 21.6722
#18 4-5 Copley 7.6556

Division III Region 7 (top 8 make playoffs)
#14 5-4 Tallmadge 11.3111
#21 2-7 Revere 4.5722

Division III Region 8 (top 8 make playoffs)
#10 2-7 Cloverleaf 6.3167
 
 
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Jhorgan

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Tallmadge wins to close out a nice season in a rebuilding situation. Green will end up rebuilding from the ground up. Gonna have a new AD, new Staff next year. But unless the parents keep their noses out of the business of football, no coaching change will matter in Green. I really believe the parents in Green don't mind 6-4 and 5-5 seasons, as long as their boys get to play a little. Politics from parents run Green football, maybe all of their sports, but football definitely.
 
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BF Pride

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Jhorgan said:
Tallmadge wins to close out a nice season in a rebuilding situation. Green will end up rebuilding from the ground up. Gonna have a new AD, new Staff next year. But unless the parents keep their noses out of the business of football, no coaching change will matter in Green. I really believe the parents in Green don't mind 6-4 and 5-5 seasons, as long as their boys get to play a little. Politics from parents run Green football, maybe all of their sports, but football definitely.
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I'd love to know what parents mettled this year? You can spout it off every year but I didn't see any of it this year, just mediocre coaching.
 
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greendad

Active member
Jhorgan said:
Tallmadge wins to close out a nice season in a rebuilding situation. Green will end up rebuilding from the ground up. Gonna have a new AD, new Staff next year. But unless the parents keep their noses out of the business of football, no coaching change will matter in Green. I really believe the parents in Green don't mind 6-4 and 5-5 seasons, as long as their boys get to play a little. Politics from parents run Green football, maybe all of their sports, but football definitely.
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Some parents might be okay with a 5 - 5 season, but most dont. A coaching change WILL matter if you hire the right friggin one!!
You dont hire a coach based on a good interview. someone who only talks a good show and doesnt have past success, isnt the one you hire.
The current Head coach has been riding on the boys talent. With the right coach the last few seasons would have been much different. I dont claim to know who to hire. but someone better get off their butts and get a real head coach. I was really upset when they named the new head coach my sons junior year. I dont care what you people think or say about me and my opinions, or weather you know who i am or not. If you all would be honest you know they picked the wrong head coach!
 
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Jhorgan

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greendad, I agree with some of your post. I never heard of Coach Cybak before he was named the coach. I also agree that many of the parents "think" they want to win, and they say it publicly, but behind closed doors, they fill the heads of their kids with ideas that if you aren't playing it is because the coach doesn't like you, cannot coach, or is a moron.

The talent pool at Green is not bad, but it is not great. THey have some quality players and what I have noticed about them is that when things are going well, they are fine. But when they face some adversity, the kids crumble. They have no toughness about them to face the adversity and fight through it. The kids are pampered, they are told they are great, and they have no idea how to overcome adversity in the course of a football game. Some of that gets instilled in practice during the summer when it is hot and they are tired and the coaches need to push them and remind them that this is how they will feel when the game is on the line against Nordonia, or Tallmadge, or anyone else on their schedule, and putting them in game situations during practice to simulate them. But I have found that much more of it comes from the individual kids having a desire, especially when they are tired and the momentum of a game has swung the other way, to do their job technique-wise. I see and hear it way too often from people and kids out in Green that it is the coaches' fault, they didn't make adjustments, they didn't do this or do that. When it comes right down to it, the things that the other teams were doing were the same things they worked on all week in practice, emphasized during practice all week, but when the chips are on the table and the it is time for the rubber to meet the road, they fall short and the easy way out is to blame everyone else except take responsibility. I have played on several very good teams and coached some very good players, and the one constant with each and every one of them is that they are accountable for their actions. They are accountable not only to the coaches, but more importantly to their teammates. They are accountable for their jobs on the field, in the classroom, and to their community. What goes on in the lockerroom is team business and doesn't need to leave there. Teams that are championship caliber understand this. I know parents want to be on the opposite side of that concept saying my kid tells me everything, well, guess what, I GUARANTEE you, they don't tell you everything! If there is something going on in the lockerroom that is unethical or illegal, then by all means I would expect them to speak up immediately, but that is not the case there. Coach Cybak is a morally good person and good guy, I believe. But what I see in Green (and don't get me wrong, it is not only in Green, but in many other districts and areas and this is Green's thread) is that the kids are given a free pass on accountability by their parents. They want to place the blame everywhere except on the players and their kid. I don't know of one coach who goes out after a big win and takes all of the praise and says that he or she did it by getting the kids prepped and mentioning all of the long hours breaking down film and scheming. I hear them heaping praise on their players for their hard work and grit. But I do hear them taking the blame publicly to a newspaper reporter for losses.
When it comes right down to it, you could very well be right in your assessment of Coach Cybak, they may have made the wrong choice. But I will tell you this much, if you really take a step back and look at Green, it is a program that has not had a huge pool of talent recently. They have had some really nice players individually, but not cohesively. THAT is what you need, and, in my opinion, the parents of the players are the ones keeping this cohesiveness from forming because they all think their kid is the best and that is what they tell the kids. Then the kid doesn't but-in and work his rear end off to be better, they pout and whine and become cancerous around others. Being a role and bench player is not easy, but every successful program has them, and they understand their role and that it is important. Green, unfortunately, in my opinion, is a program that is filled with a bunch of me-first, individuals that I believe is perpetrated and kept rolling by the parents.

Please don't take it personally, I don't know you, you don't know me, you probably wouldn't like me anyway, heck my girly-girl doesn't even like me much, but sometimes the truth needs to be said and sometimes the truth hurts.

Fortunately for you, I believe Green will be getting a new head coach next year, but unless something changes within the framework of the community and communication, 6-4 and 5-5 are going to be the norm in Green.
 
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BF Pride

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jhorgan,

Once again you are blaming this program on the parents? As a parent I don't know many that don't think the world of their kid, if they don't I would question their parenting skills. If you poll any HS team anywhere and ask the parents if they believe their kid should be playing more, most will say yes, the rest will say heck no he has a 6'5", 250 # stud ahead of him, his time will come. But the highest percentage think more of their kid. If this is only in Green then I am living on another planet. Our kids are accountable and our talent level is what it is. As a community all we are asking from a coaching staff is to win the games we should and steal one once in awhile, has this staff done that? We were the better team last year than Lake and on par with Nordonia and up by 3 scores and both were losses, we were the better team against Tallmadge and probably better or at least on par with Lake, both losses. When we went up by 2 scores before half on Tallmadge it was the worst 30 seconds of football I have seen to let them go into half down one score. The fake punt was an absolute no brainer by everyone in the stands, those are the two reasons we lost this game. Our kicking game is horrendous and after 4 months of practice thats all we can offer?

On a positive, this team was the smallest we have fielded and after getting pounded on for ten weeks were in the best shape Green football has ever been. I never thought we were out conditioned and we never had the injuries as in the past, that will start to pay dividends and shouldn't be taken lightly.
 
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Jhorgan

Moderated User
I didn't see the game, I am going off of things I have seen in the past and from people "in the know" in the community. I am not saying that parents shouldn't support their kids, but the issue that Isee that is rampant in Green is that the parents vocalize their agenda, their dislike, disdain for the coaches to the kids. That gives the kids the idea that it is not their fault that they lose games that they should not lose. You mentioned Nordonia last year, a game I was at. Leading by 16 heading into the 4th is somewhat comfortable, but not against a team like them. I also agree that the coaching left much to be desired, especially offensively in the 4th quarter where Green only got 1 first down, and it was by penalty, but there were at least 2 plays that the players didn't make that had nothing to do with coaching. One was a fumble that Green did not recover even though they had 3 [layers right around it, and the other was a potential interception where the ball was thrown right to a player from Green and he dropped it. The potential interception was on the final drive of the game where Nordonia scored with about 10 seconds or so left, too. Had the interception been made, Green wins the ball game.

I can only offer my opinion on what I see, and I am not changing what I have said. I also stand by my statement of Tallmadge having tougher kids, mentally and physically, than Green, and I believe that much of that probably came into play late in the first half to cut into the Green lead, as you mentioned, and also at the end of the game in having a never-say-die attitude and finding a way to win. I don't believe that Green has that mentally tough make up, and I think it is reared in the homes and it is continually reinforced throughout the kids' school and playing days.

Take it for what it is worth, if it doesn't apply to your kid, great, but if you look at things objectively, which many from Green cannot because they do not like to be criticized, they will see that while I may not be 100% right, I am 75-80% right. McVicker was a no-BS guy who got run out because he didn't play favorites. The parents, granted a handful, ran him out.
 
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