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consumerman said:
Other than the delight you get writing it, what is the relevance?

the relevance is st x looks awesome this year but they are only playing local or indiana and kentucky schools (lmao)

they are 0-1 against teams from cali texas and florida (2006-07) widely regarded along with ohio as the best 4 states for hs football

meanwhile cali is 3-0 in the herbie

all of that is very relevant, it is just hard to admit it if you are from ohio
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Not at all. A young X team took a higher-ranked Florida state champion to OT and lost. X was spanked and didn't make it out of region in Ohio. The team that spanked them didn't even make the finals. Wow. that was tough to admit.

Cali is 3-0 versus Ohio in the Herbie against teams that DNQ, lost in the second round after a very lucky round one win, and failed to get out of their region. Two of the Cali teams had/have one in-state loss each. The Ohio teams they beat had multiple in-state Ohio losses. No Cali team has so much as played a regional champion from Ohio D1. That was very emotional for me.
 
consumerman said:
did moeller make the playoffs?

did moeller win a playoff game?

is that representative of ohio playoffs? so-so mediocre teams win playoff games

did glenville beat st iggy?

did they need 3 overtimes?

Y A W N
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And X beat the team that eliminated Glenville by 27-0...

And Moe lost by 20 to a team X beat by 15...

And X gave Glenville its worst result of the year....


And DLS plays a cupcake schedule.
 
While I am somewhat enjoying this back and forth, I am puzzled a little.

Why the big question about their scheduling and worthiness when the second post of this thread you stated they were at worst second best behind MNW?

CONGRATS to St X on a truly outstanding year

no worse than the second best team in the country and possibly the best (MNW)
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what other top team took 3 overtimes to escape with a 3 point win over a 3 loss team that previously got crunched?

dls allowed less points in 11 first halves than St x allowed in one first half
 
Why the big question about their scheduling and worthiness when the second post of this thread you stated they were at worst second best behind MNW?

I just thought it was a waste of time to point out that 11 of st x wins gave their opponents their worst loss in 13 games

that is probably extremely common

dls was 11 for 11
 
consumerman said:
what other top team took 3 overtimes to escape with a 3 point win over a 3 loss team that previously got crunched?

dls allowed less points in 11 first halves than St x allowed in one first half
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I'll stop pointing out the reasons for the Iggy score, because you know them well and are acting playground by constantly bringing it up. That said, do you realize that X just routed the team that "crunched" Iggy by a score of 27-0? A team that averaged about 40 ppg going in?
 
consumerman said:
Why the big question about their scheduling and worthiness when the second post of this thread you stated they were at worst second best behind MNW?

I just thought it was a waste of time to point out that 11 of st x wins gave their opponents their worst loss in 13 games

that is probably extremely common

dls was 11 for 11
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It's 13 of 15.

And when the average team is winning 80%+ of its games on average and you have suffered key injuries during the year, it is quite notable.

Unlike certain other teams, X did not have a schedule that permitted the equivalent of a weekly clubbing of baby seals.
 
concha said:
I'll stop pointing out the reasons for the Iggy score, because you know them well and are acting playground by constantly bringing it up. That said, do you realize that X just routed the team that "crunched" Iggy by a score of 27-0? A team that averaged about 40 ppg going in?
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what was the results of the st x- iggy game?

moeller - mv?

cali - ohio?
 
actually to me quite honest

st xavier (cincinnati) is more deserving of the #1 ranking this year than any team any other year ever
 
did not have a schedule that permitted the equivalent of a weekly clubbing of baby seals.

actually one of those baby seals BEAT a GCL playoff team that won an Ohio playoff game

and another of those baby seals beat 5 different league champions

that is why most people hate the arrogance of ohio football backers

if you dont win in ohio you cant be any good

NOT
 
concha said:
Colerain '04 was.
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only ohio teams right?

which national powers did colerain beat?

top 10 national powers?

which team did st x 2007 beat that is still in the national top 10
ditto for colerain 2004

dls - mater dei 1998, finsihed #2
dls - lb poly - 2001, finished #3
 
MNW has no current top tens, DLS ditto, X ditto....

X did bump two teams out of the top ten and has beaten several regionally ranked teams. MNW and DLS's scheds don't compare. Eat it.
 
"which team did st x 2007 beat that is still in the national top 10"
Well being the football expert you are, you should know that no team st x beat is in the national top 10 still. Part of this is due to the fact that St. Xavier handed them a loss (Colerain is #16). I don't know what you're arguing because many people have named St. Xavier's schedule the toughest.

"mv - moe" I'm not quite sure how relevant this is to St. X besides the fact that one is from ohio and one is from california.

"what was the results of the st x- iggy game?" What were the results? Well St. Xavier won by 3 points in 3 OT (I thought you had said that before maybe). And I think you also said that Iggy had previously lost to Mentor by 17. St. X thrashed Mentor in the state finals 27-0 which proves your "team a beat team b" theory is so mathematical and truthful. This win only shows how tough St. X's schedule really was. When faced with adversity they came out on top.
 
JuniorVarsityHughes said:
"which team did st x 2007 beat that is still in the national top 10"
Well being the football expert you are, you should know that no team st x beat is in the national top 10 still. Part of this is due to the fact that St. Xavier handed them a loss (Colerain is #16). I don't know what you're arguing because many people have named St. Xavier's schedule the toughest.

"mv - moe" I'm not quite sure how relevant this is to St. X besides the fact that one is from ohio and one is from california.

"what was the results of the st x- iggy game?" What were the results? Well St. Xavier won by 3 points in 3 OT (I thought you had said that before maybe). And I think you also said that Iggy had previously lost to Mentor by 17. St. X thrashed Mentor in the state finals 27-0 which proves your "team a beat team b" theory is so mathematical and truthful. This win only shows how tough St. X's schedule really was. When faced with adversity they came out on top.
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all good points

I pointed out 2 teams DLS BEAT, 1998 Mater Dei and 2001 LB Poly ended up in the national TOP 3, despite losing to DLS
 
consumerman said:
all good points

I pointed out 2 teams DLS BEAT, 1998 Mater Dei and 2001 LB Poly ended up in the national TOP 3, despite losing to DLS
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While MD and LBP were both great teams in those years, the Cali playoff debacle may have helped out. Both could lose to DLS yet still go on to post-season success. In an Ohio D1 format, they would have had to face DLS twice, assuming they still played those regular season games. The likelihood of both DLS and the SS team remaining in the top 3 would have been next to nil.
 
concha said:
While MD and LBP were both great teams in those years, the Cali playoff debacle may have helped out. Both could lose to DLS yet still go on to post-season success. In an Ohio D1 format, they would have had to face DLS twice, assuming they still played those regular season games. The likelihood of both DLS and the SS team remaining in the top 3 would have been next to nil.
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yes

for all practical purposes, it was if two "state" champs met in the regular season and then went their separate ways

the CIF Southern Section playoffs (back then before they deivided them up into Pac 5, Inland, etc) were as strong or stronger than a large number of state playoffs and a winner of those playoffs were truly a national power, so DLS beating them was a major accomplishment, even though it was in the regular season

section championships in california are nothing to sneeze at

In 1998 I believe DLS played 5 teams that reached their section final, might have been 4. Even mild-mannered and understated Coach Lad said that was a major challenge and it would be hard to argue DLS was not a great team and deserving of national recognition, the fact they were in the middle of the 151 game streak and people said they didn't play anybody could no longer be said

to a limited degree, DLS football is/was like Oak Hill Academy BKBL. in that they are numerous national champ for BKB, but have never played or won a post season game, although they play in the top regular season national tournies, they still have no post season one loss and your done challenges
 
this is from Memory and is hopefully fairly accurate

rankings of CIF SS champs

1993 Rialto 2
1994 Mater Dei 1
1996 MD 1
1997 LB Poly 2
(1997 MD 5)
1998 MD 2
(1998 LB Poly 5)
2000 LB Poly 2
2001 LB Poly 3
2004 Mission Viejo (D2) 3

shows the strong national recognition of the CIF SS winner
 
consumerman said:
yes

for all practical purposes, it was if two "state" champs met in the regular season and then went their separate ways




In 1998 I believe DLS played 5 teams that reached their section final, might have been 4. -Difference is in other states their season would likely be over after the game and would not have had the opportunity to win more games in other states post seasons.

to a limited degree, DLS football is/was like Oak Hill Academy BKBL. in that they are numerous national champ for BKB, but have never played or won a post season game, although they play in the top regular season national tournies, they still have no post season one loss and your done challenges
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Perhaps, but the play between good teams in different states happens 100x more in basketball than football.
 
pied said:
Perhaps, but the play between good teams in different states happens 100x more in basketball than football.
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basketball has 3-4 times as many games as football

basketball travel includes a jockstrap for 10 players

football travel includes helmets and pads for 60 or more players

poor analogy
 
consumerman said:
this is from Memory and is hopefully fairly accurate

rankings of CIF SS champs

1993 Rialto 2
1994 Mater Dei 1
1996 MD 1
1997 LB Poly 2
(1997 MD 5)
1998 MD 2
(1998 LB Poly 5)
2000 LB Poly 2
2001 LB Poly 3
2004 Mission Viejo (D2) 3

shows the strong national recognition of the CIF SS winner
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thx chicago

changes 1997 mater dei was 8 not 5

1999 Poly was 12

2002 Los Alamitos was 7 and Misiion viejo was 10
 
No problem.

I'm here to help.

And to post on the college football board once every three months and then have it deleted 90 seconds later.
 
consumerman said:
basketball has 3-4 times as many games as football

basketball travel includes a jockstrap for 10 players

football travel includes helmets and pads for 60 or more players

poor analogy
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I agree, why did you bring it up?


to a limited degree, DLS football is/was like Oak Hill Academy BKBL. in that they are numerous national champ for BKB, but have never played or won a post season game, although they play in the top regular season national tournies, they still have no post season one loss and your done challenges
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