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USA Today rankings 12-03
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Super. Does that mean you acknowledge that you lie like a rug?
supertroll
keep it going stalker
What are you talking about?????
You said:
umm no
1970 Nebraska was national champs
the old ap vote was BEFORE THE BOWLS
no one recognizes that except teams that got their lunch handed to them in the bowls
In fact Texas was ranked #1 going in to the Bowls after the 1970 season, they lost to ND but remained #1 in the UPI.
UT entered its Cotton Bowl rematch with No. 6 Notre Dame as the nation’s top team in both The AP and UPI polls.
After falling 24-11 to the Fighting Irish, which snapped UT’s 30-game winning streak, the Longhorns dropped to No. 3 in The AP poll but remained UPI’s National Champion. The 30-game winning streak currently stands as the 10th-longest in NCAA history.
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=36&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=611&change_well_id=2
I am a Texas fan, and was referring to your comment. Your apology will most certainly be accepted.
consumerman
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there were several rankings prior to the bowls
some had texas #1
at least 1 had Ohio state
after Ohio state, texas and lsu lost, nebraska emerged as the national champion
nebraska 11-0-1 (tie was against a medicore USC team that crushed ND, who in turn crushed Texas) was national champion in 1970
3 time loser stanford beat ohio state 27-17
ND beat texas 24-11 (led 24-3)
Nebraska beat LSU 17-12
some had texas #1
at least 1 had Ohio state
after Ohio state, texas and lsu lost, nebraska emerged as the national champion
nebraska 11-0-1 (tie was against a medicore USC team that crushed ND, who in turn crushed Texas) was national champion in 1970
3 time loser stanford beat ohio state 27-17
ND beat texas 24-11 (led 24-3)
Nebraska beat LSU 17-12
consumerman
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you did not look closely enough at the TEXAS SPONSORED site
read it again
Rankings from Associated Press entering the game
Texas was not national champs in 1970 except those that ignore the bowl games
no one does that
read it again
Rankings from Associated Press entering the game
Texas was not national champs in 1970 except those that ignore the bowl games
no one does that
consumerman
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After falling 24-11 to the Fighting Irish, which snapped UT’s 30-game winning streak, the Longhorns dropped to No. 3 in The AP poll but remained UPI’s National Champion. The 30-game winning streak currently stands as the 10th-longest in NCAA history.
they "remained" because there was not another vote
you really took a big whiff on this one
In the AP which did vote after the bowl games, Nebraska was #1
they "remained" because there was not another vote
you really took a big whiff on this one
In the AP which did vote after the bowl games, Nebraska was #1
consumerman
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and you are the one who owes an apology
Bordertown
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Exerpt From the "Ode to Concha" from Consumerman (the cyber fan) -
"You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I'm utterly mad!"
"You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I'm utterly mad!"
consumerman
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Exerpt From the "Ode to Concha" from Consumerman (the cyber fan) -
"You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I'm utterly mad!"
troll and trouble maker
Bordertown
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What do all the "trolls" you have called out on this thread have in common? There is a common denominator!!!!
Texas claims 4 National Championships including 1970. In the day both the UPI and the AP were viewed equally. I understand your point. Texas was the undisputed UPI national champions. If you go through many schools with national championships you will find they were shared like 1970. The UPI was the coaches opinion and not the sportwriters like the AP
Texas claims 4 National Championships including 1970. In the day both the UPI and the AP were viewed equally. I understand your point. Texas was the undisputed UPI national champions. If you go through many schools with national championships you will find they were shared like 1970. The UPI was the coaches opinion and not the sportwriters like the AP
consumerman
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What do all the "trolls" you have called out on this thread have in common? There is a common denominator!!!!
Texas claims 4 National Championships including 1970. In the day both the UPI and the AP were viewed equally. I understand your point, Texas were the UPI national champions. If you go through many schools with national championships you will find they were shared like 1970. The UPI was the coaches opinion and not the sportwriters like the AP
UPI changed its voting until after the bowls after giving the "national championship" to teams that went on to lose bowl games
the resons they changed it was because it was ludicrous to give a national championship to a team that lost in a bowl game
Texas can claim anything they want
The 1970 National Champion was Nebraska
UPI changed its voting until after the bowls after giving the "national championship" to teams that went on to lose bowl games
the resons they changed it was because it was ludicrous to give a national championship to a team that lost in a bowl game
Texas can claim anything they want
The 1970 National Champion was Nebraska
Ummm that was the point of my original post.
UPI changed its voting until after the bowls after giving the "national championship" to teams that went on to lose bowl games
the resons they changed it was because it was ludicrous to give a national championship to a team that lost in a bowl game
Texas can claim anything they want
The 1970 National Champion was Nebraska
Again, as I took the New York Times over your opinion, I'll defer to the NCAA on this one if that's ok.....
http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/history
consumerman
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the reason UPI finally changed its voting until AFTER the bowl games was so ridiculous regular season national championship claims by teams that got their --- kicked in a bowl game would no longer occur
you dont get it
you dont get it
the reason UPI finally changed its voting until AFTER the bowl games was so ridiculous regular season national championship claims by teams that got their --- kicked in a bowl game would no longer occur
you dont get it
Yes I do. If you do not, you do not understand how college football has worked for the most part of its existence nor the importance the bowl games have held.
You know the AP had only changed its voting structre two years prior in '68, correct? You know the coaches followed suit in '74.
Do you knwo what you are talking about?
consumerman
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Yes I do. If you do not, you do not understand how college football has worked for the most part of its existence nor the importance the bowl games have held.
You know the AP had only changed its voting structre two years prior in '68, correct? You know the coaches followed suit in '74.
Do you knwo what you are talking about?
why did they change it?
there were several bear Bryant teams that were national champs but were beaten by Texas or another team in a bowl game
I am quite familiar with college football history
I understand the technical claim of winning a national championship by vote before the bowl games
that it was flawed was WHY they changed the system
enuf
Nebraska was 1970 national champion
and to the point originally made that is so digressed from, the Ohio State-Michigan dinosaur offenses were exposed numerous times by 3 and 4 loss pac ten teams in the rose bowl
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consumerman
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Ok, this was all fun and games until we started picking on Bama.
Do you mean '70? Because Bama won in '79.
And Pied, you leave 1981 out of this. I can still see that quarterback draw.
typo since corrected
why did they change it?
there were several bear Bryant teams that were national champs but were beaten by Texas or another team in a bowl game
I am quite familiar with college football history
I understand the technical claim of winning a national championship by vote before the bowl games
that it was flawed was WHY they changed the system
enuf
Nebraska was 1970 national champion
and to the point originally made that is so digressed from, the Ohio State-Michigan dinosaur offenses were exposed numerous times by 3 and 4 loss pac ten teams in the rose bowl
Bowl games stats were not included in season totals until recently. Why?
I understand the system changed, but you cannot go back in history and discount what happened ebcause they changed the measurement going forward.
Ok, this was all fun and games until we started picking on Bama.
And Pied, you leave 1981 out of this. I can still see that quarterback draw.
I never mentioned 1981, Troll(is that right consumerman?).
Not to get too far off track, if that's even possible at this point, but the decathlon has issues like this, I think.
Every few years they change the points awarded for certain results in the events, and someone who won a few years ago might not have won if the new system had been in effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon_scoring_tables
As far as bowl games, they used to be a nice end-of-year prize for teams that had had a good season, and that's it. The Rose Parade or Festival or whatever it's called started before the Rose Bowl. Someone decided in 1902 or whenever that having a football game might be neat. So the bowl games weren't really part of the season. You won the national championship (or didn't), and then had this neat exhibition game at the end.
Obviously, it's far different now. And while the polls were probably late in recognizing the new emphasis on bowls, they probably weren't THAT far behind.
Every few years they change the points awarded for certain results in the events, and someone who won a few years ago might not have won if the new system had been in effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon_scoring_tables
As far as bowl games, they used to be a nice end-of-year prize for teams that had had a good season, and that's it. The Rose Parade or Festival or whatever it's called started before the Rose Bowl. Someone decided in 1902 or whenever that having a football game might be neat. So the bowl games weren't really part of the season. You won the national championship (or didn't), and then had this neat exhibition game at the end.
Obviously, it's far different now. And while the polls were probably late in recognizing the new emphasis on bowls, they probably weren't THAT far behind.
Not to get too far off track, if that's even possible at this point, but the decathlon has issues like this, I think.
Every few years they change the points awarded for certain results in the events, and someone who won a few years ago might not have won if the new system had been in effect.
The system was flawed.
I think the point would be that we rescore all previous contests w/the most current scoring system and take away and reallocate medals as appropriate.
Of course tracking those down may prove difficult, but to not do so would be ludicrous.
I'm not picking on Consumerman. It is definitely strange to look back and see teams that lost bowl games being awarded National Championships.
However, revising things much later is an interesting subject (at least to me).
I found this:
"Scoring changes in the early twentieth century also helped popularize the game by increasing the value of touchdowns. When the first true football scoring system was devised in 1883 (replacing customary scoring procedures in which one point usually was awarded for advancing the ball across the goal in any fashion), kicking was emphasized. Field goals counted 5 points while touchdowns and conversions each counted 4. In 1884 the total for a safety was increased from 1 to 2 points, still in existence today. In 1897 the value of a TD was raised to 5 points with a successful conversion worth an additional 1 point. The field goal remained at 5 points until 1904, when it was reduced to 4 points. In 1909 it was further lowered to its modern 3-point value. The touchdown was given its modern 6-point value in 1912.
No further point modifications were made until 1958, when teams were given the option of running or passing the ball across the goal line for 2 points after a TD, while a successful kicked conversion remained worth 1 point. At the same time the scrimmage line for conversion attempts was moved back one yard to the 3-yard line, where it originally had been established in 1924 (it had been on the 5-yard line in 1922-23, but was moved to the 2-yard line in 1929). A 1988 rule gave the defensive team 2 points for returning a blocked kick or an intercepted pass to the opponent's end zone during a conversion attempt. In 1992 this was extended to include a fumble return from any spot outside the end zone."
Pied, I'm sure you can find a game where Texas A&M beat Texas that would have gone the other way with some of the old scoring systems (if you disregard how strategy would have changed and that sort of thing).
However, revising things much later is an interesting subject (at least to me).
I found this:
"Scoring changes in the early twentieth century also helped popularize the game by increasing the value of touchdowns. When the first true football scoring system was devised in 1883 (replacing customary scoring procedures in which one point usually was awarded for advancing the ball across the goal in any fashion), kicking was emphasized. Field goals counted 5 points while touchdowns and conversions each counted 4. In 1884 the total for a safety was increased from 1 to 2 points, still in existence today. In 1897 the value of a TD was raised to 5 points with a successful conversion worth an additional 1 point. The field goal remained at 5 points until 1904, when it was reduced to 4 points. In 1909 it was further lowered to its modern 3-point value. The touchdown was given its modern 6-point value in 1912.
No further point modifications were made until 1958, when teams were given the option of running or passing the ball across the goal line for 2 points after a TD, while a successful kicked conversion remained worth 1 point. At the same time the scrimmage line for conversion attempts was moved back one yard to the 3-yard line, where it originally had been established in 1924 (it had been on the 5-yard line in 1922-23, but was moved to the 2-yard line in 1929). A 1988 rule gave the defensive team 2 points for returning a blocked kick or an intercepted pass to the opponent's end zone during a conversion attempt. In 1992 this was extended to include a fumble return from any spot outside the end zone."
Pied, I'm sure you can find a game where Texas A&M beat Texas that would have gone the other way with some of the old scoring systems (if you disregard how strategy would have changed and that sort of thing).
Pied, I'm sure you can find a game where Texas A&M beat Texas that would have gone the other way with some of the old scoring systems (if you disregard how strategy would have changed and that sort of thing).
You might be right. I do recall there being the nuttiest play/score I have seen in a Texas-a$m game:
Which is fitting because it was the Texas special teams that helped UT tie this game just after halftime with its second blocked kick of the game.
Trailing 13-6, UT's defense forced a three-and-out from the Aggies on the first possession of the second half. Longhorn sophomore Michael Griffin blocked a punt by the Aggies' Jacob Young and in the scrum for the ball, freshman safety Bobby Tatum recovered the ball in the end zone for the Texas touchdown.
Due to a bad snap, Mangum missed his second extra point of the game, but UT would still tie the game. Off of the missed kick, Texas A&M recovered the ball, but fumbled into the end zone where the Aggies were tackled, giving UT a rare one-point safety, tying the game at 13 just over a minute into the second half.
weird
Bordertown
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the reason UPI finally changed its voting until AFTER the bowl games was so ridiculous regular season national championship claims by teams that got their --- kicked in a bowl game would no longer occur
you dont get it
Here is the point you do not get. Every National Championship including Texas' 2005 victory over an overwhelming favorite USC is mytical and based on opinion.
I present the current national championship game. There are many people that do not think neither LSU or Ohio St deserve to be in the national championship game, but by rule the polls are required to crown them national champions even if they both stink it up in the game.
If the Rainbow Warrior win their bowl game handily, the pollster can not change their opinion.
Things really haven't changed much since 1970 now have they?
Good point Pied - I think the NCAA is the final opinion that matters. Not mine or yours and most certainly someone that that would agrue with a jug of Clorox over bleach supremacy.