USA Today rankings 12-03

Jesse said:
You and I both know handicapping hs games does happen in some locales much as "policy" still exists in inner cities in spite of state lotteries.
Danny Sheridan was asked a "hypothetical" question several years ago about home field advantage in hs games.His quite serious answer was "10 pts, maybe more".
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IF it's done, (and I've not seen it done in Ohio, at least by any "real" bookmakers) then its probably done badly. And for what it's worth, Danny Sheridan probably knows as much about HS football as I do about brain surgery.
 
I understand hard data from calpreps indicates an away disadvantage of around 3 points. Longer travel may increase that somewhat. But let's not get carried away.
 
$T.x said:
Moeller won that game technically, but lost by four on the field...

Against X they got owned, there really was no point in the game was in question...

You bring up Ignatius all the time...:rolleyes:...ever just think:

a. Gee, maybe they were good
b. X's QB was a frosh and inexperienced

??????????????
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now X QB is a frosh

I guess next week he will be in first grade

what grade was the iggy QB?
 
PDC said:
Agreed.

While Ignatius is certainly nothing close to the 90s version, the Wildcats are still a tough opponent. It's not like St X barely beat a Cleveland Senate League school.

Remember the 90s??? When Ignatius wanted to play De LaSalle and the Spartans wouldn't do it?
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NO

you are talking out your arse
 
Bordertown said:
They weren't ranked. So what is your point? I point out SLC is no longer ranked? That is how I read your post. They lost to two teams ranked higher than anyone DLS has played and they lost their QB in the 2nd quarter. At that level of play, I suspect almost any team including DLS would have issues with "timing" on their offense.
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here come the excuses

so where do you rank a team in the human polls that isnt even regionally ranked?

you gonna finally try and answer or keep the excuses coming?

and PS 4-5 wide receiver offenses and winging the ball wildly downfield is great against weak no D teams but also leaves your QB vulnerable to serious injury

high reward high risk

I am not surprised he got hurt
 
Chicago said:
Is that Ohio travel rule just for high schools, or does it count for colleges, too?

I was wondering why OSU played Youngstown State, Akron, and Kent State.

My apologies to UncleBaldy for the college crossover.
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because they are tougher than big 10 opponents
 
consumerman said:
I wonder if daditis still thinks SLC would beat DLS by a minimum of 28 this year

LMAO
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A year ago, I think they win by 10-14. The way DLS is playing now, I would favor a healthy Dragon team by a small margin, let's say three. I'd probably feel the same way about a SLC-St. X matchup as well.

Fact is they are not healthy and have not been, so I think DLS/St. X would ROLL them if they played this weekend.
 
EaglePride01 said:
Unfortunately, OHSAA Bylaws forbid it:

2) Out of State Travel
A football team may travel out of state to compete in contests (scrimmages, previews and
games) in states or provinces in Canada that are contiguous to Ohio regardless of distance
to travel. The states include Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania and West
Virginia. The province includes Ontario. Additionally, a football team may travel out of
state one time per sport per interscholastic season to compete in states or provinces in
Canada that are not contiguous to Ohio, provided there is no loss of school time.

So as long as this bylaw is in effect, Ohio teams will not be allowed to travel down south (or any state that is not contiguous) to play a game. To get a crack at us you have to come up here. Its kind of like the mentality of the SEC!
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This fact puts the Ohio guys in a good position if they choose it. They can't(for most practical purposes) go to FL/TX/CA, but still talk up a storm. All games between OH and any of those states will be played in Ohio and they can call people chicken for not coming.

When games like Lamar-Rutherford, Dallas Carter-Miami Southridge, ECA-DLS, MNW-SLC, or Midland Lee-Clovis Whatever, the promoters simply cannot consider an Ohio team as likely to pursue as the others because of this rule.
 
pied said:
This fact puts the Ohio guys in a good position if they choose it. They can't(for most practical purposes) go to FL/TX/CA, but still talk up a storm. All games between OH and any of those states will be played in Ohio and they can call people chicken for not coming.

When games like Lamar-Rutherford, Dallas Carter-Miami Southridge, ECA-DLS, MNW-SLC, or Midland Lee-Clovis Whatever, the promoters simply cannot consider an Ohio team as likely to pursue as the others because of this rule.
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The rule is the rule. It has been in place for a long time and i believe was actually relaxed recently.

Ohio teams can and do still play in 5 other states. Distances can be long (ex. Philadelphia by bus).


Also, at least as far as the Herbie is concerned, Ohio pits one state's teams versus the rest of the country's. Home field or not, that's stepping up.
 
concha said:
The rule is the rule. It has been in place for a long time and i believe was actually relaxed recently.

Ohio teams can and do still play in 5 other states. Distances can be long (ex. Philadelphia by bus).


Also, at least as far as the Herbie is concerned, Ohio pits one state's teams versus the rest of the country's. Home field or not, that's stepping up.
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No doubt, the big Ohio powers play who they can no fear there. Forgive me, but PA/WV/IN/KY/MI/CA don't offer as much elite competition you could find in FL/TX/CA.

Some posters, not you, try to indicate teams are afraid to play an Ohio team knowing they can run behind mama's skirt(OHSSA rule) at any time.
 
pied said:
This fact puts the Ohio guys in a good position if they choose it. They can't(for most practical purposes) go to FL/TX/CA, but still talk up a storm. All games between OH and any of those states will be played in Ohio and they can call people chicken for not coming.

When games like Lamar-Rutherford, Dallas Carter-Miami Southridge, ECA-DLS, MNW-SLC, or Midland Lee-Clovis Whatever, the promoters simply cannot consider an Ohio team as likely to pursue as the others because of this rule.
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Agreed.

And I dont understand or agree with the bylaw. Ohio basketball, wrestling, and many other sports are allowed to travel all over the country to compete in tournaments. Perhaps they may change their mind if another state were to host a large scale nationally-publicized event such as the Herbie, and multiple Ohio teams were invited instead of just a head-to-head matchup.
 
I'm waiting for this headline:

Model UN moved to Cleveland -- Ohio kids can't travel, still want to participate.
 
Chicago, to answer your question. The Ohio State Legislature requires OSU to play teams such as Akron and others for something to do with money. I asked my dad the same question a few days ago and that is what he told me.
 
pied said:
This fact puts the Ohio guys in a good position if they choose it. They can't(for most practical purposes) go to FL/TX/CA, but still talk up a storm. All games between OH and any of those states will be played in Ohio and they can call people chicken for not coming.

When games like Lamar-Rutherford, Dallas Carter-Miami Southridge, ECA-DLS, MNW-SLC, or Midland Lee-Clovis Whatever, the promoters simply cannot consider an Ohio team as likely to pursue as the others because of this rule.
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Yet another reason that it rocks to be from Ohio! :thumb:

And I agree that the rule is silly. As stated, other sports seemingly can travel freely about the US to play. Why not football?
 
No clue if it is or not. Im a huge OSU fan. I would love for them to play SEC teams though. I admit to the facts that SEC is insane and unreal which is why I would like OSU to play them. I would rather them lose to a good team by a little than destroy a crap team.

The bylaw sucks in my opinion. I would love to see schools travel. Im sure the kids would love to especially to somewhere like Cali or Florida.
 
The book on Moeller and Faust has a big discussion about an offer Moeller got to play in Japan (maybe against a California school), and how Faust and the OHSAA went back and forth about it. Moeller ended up not going.
 
fish82 said:
Yet another reason that it rocks to be from Ohio! :thumb:

And I agree that the rule is silly. As stated, other sports seemingly can travel freely about the US to play. Why not football?
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I'll be honest I have no issue with the rule. I am glad that Texas does not have it, but believe that the powers that be have good reason for it. I know it is not because they are chicken to have the good Ohio squads from proving their mettle 1,000 miles away.

I do think that you need to understand how/why teams in each state schedule the way they do. In the other thread Specht appears to echo Dodge's comment about preferring to play local teams. It is not the hand they are dealt.

Bottom line, is you cannot apply your state's scheduling practices to other states.
 
That is extremely stupid. If a school from your state has a chance to play overseas, why not let them? I find it ridiculous.
 
Bigger question would be, if Chicago accompanied them on the trip them would he be able to find enough KFC's/McDonald's to keep him nourished.....
 
consumerman said:
I wonder if daditis still thinks SLC would beat DLS by a minimum of 28 this year

LMAO
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Wouldn't you have like to have known? Well MNW got the opportunity instead. I doubt SLC thought much about DLS after they declined an invitation.

By the way I am not making excuses for SLC, they were beat 2X. I am pointing out my experience of watching all levels of football, when a QB goes down and the backup comes in, the timing of any offense is affected by the timing. Even protected QBs get hurt by superior defenses and fluke things happen on a playing field such as a QB breaking his hand on an offensive lineman's helmet on a follow through.
 
National Rankings

There are some pretty darn good teams in 1-5. Miami N'Wstrn looked pretty good. I did not see Prattville but based on a down Hoover team taking Colerain to the ends of the earth, I have to believe Prattville is pretty good. St. X and Katy would be one boring game to watch. But they both keep winning even if it is not an aerial circus. I like MNw at 1, but any of the first 5 to me would be just fine. I think they are all pretty darn good. I believe the luster has been taken off of MNW win against "unranked" Southlake Carroll. I said all year they should not have been ranked. I would have no argument of the first five being placed in any order.
Based on schedule and the fact that X made it without the starting QB and one of the premier backs in the state for several games a piece is pretty impressive. They may have been one of the few teams anywhere that could have pulled that off. I was not an X fan nor am I, but it is pretty impressive to me what they did. This also takes away the argument some teams have when losing about injuries, and woulda, coulda, shoulda.
 
WoodyHayes said:
There are some pretty darn good teams in 1-5. Miami N'Wstrn looked pretty good. I did not see Prattville but based on a down Hoover team taking Colerain to the ends of the earth, I have to believe Prattville is pretty good. St. X and Katy would be one boring game to watch. But they both keep winning even if it is not an aerial circus. I like MNw at 1, but any of the first 5 to me would be just fine. I think they are all pretty darn good. I believe the luster has been taken off of MNW win against "unranked" Southlake Carroll. I said all year they should not have been ranked. I would have no argument of the first five being placed in any order.
Based on schedule and the fact that X made it without the starting QB and one of the premier backs in the state for several games a piece is pretty impressive. They may have been one of the few teams anywhere that could have pulled that off. I was not an X fan nor am I, but it is pretty impressive to me what they did. This also takes away the argument some teams have when losing about injuries, and woulda, coulda, shoulda.
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Far and away the best post you've ever made.
 
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