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Here are the latest top 10 times for UA & SC in each event.

200 Medley Relay: 1. UA 1:38.77, 2. SC 1:40.88.
200 Freestyle: 1. Joey Long UA 1:45.27, 2. Ryan Cutler UA 1:46.53, 4. Sean Neri UA 1:48.33, 5. Andrew Rabe UA 1:48.97 - No SC swimmer in top 10.
200 Individual Medley: 2. Adam Rabe UA 2:00.35, 3. Ian Reardon UA 2:02.03, 6. Sean Neri UA 2:03.48, 7. Joey Long UA 2:03.72, 8 Orion Swanson SC 2:03.89.
50 Freestyle: 4. Adam Rabe UA :22.21, 5. Brian Willi SC :22.26, 6. Andrew Rabe UA :22.31.
100 Butterfly: 2. Brian Willi SC :54.14, 4. Max Jelen UA :54.32, 5. Ryan Cutler UA :54.33, 6. Orion Swanson SC :54.53.
100 Freestyle: 4. Sean Neri UA :48.99, 5. Joey Long UA :49.14, 7. Andrew Rabe UA :49.58, 8. Adam Rabe UA :49.63 9. Ryan Cutler UA :49.73 - No SC swimmer in top 10.
500 Freestyle: 1. Joey Long UA 4:44.63, 2. Ryan Cutler UA 4:49.15, 3. Sean Neri UA 4:50.99, 6. Caleb Jack SC 5:00.50, 7. Alex Chin UA 5:01.76, 8. Ian Reardon UA 5:03.42, 10. Nick McKinley SC 5:07.16.
200 Freestyle Relay: 1. UA 1:28.52, 3. SC 1:29.90.
100 Backstroke: 1. Sean Neri UA :53.99, 4. Ian Reardon UA :55.46, 6. Thomas Trace UA :55.86, 7. Orion Swanson SC :55.93, 8. Brian Willi SC :56.02, 9. Max Jelen UA :56.24, 10. Alex Chin UA :56.34.
100 Breaststroke: 3. Adam Rabe UA 1:02.01, 4. Nick McKinley SC 1:02.73, 5. Ian Reardon UA 1:03.57, 6. Chris D’angelo SC 1:04.15, 7. Max Herath SC1:04.17.
400 Freestyle Relay: 1. UA 3:15.85, 4. SC 3:23.13.

Does anyone really think that SC can challenge for the District title...much less be competitive against UA this Friday?
 
 
The season is young. Times start dropping after the heavy Xmas yardage. Not predicting victory for SC but both the head to head & the district will be closer than they look on paper.
 
Joey Long can't swim every event at Districts and UA is currently first in 6 of the 12 district events, so the non-UA, non-SC guys will be stealing points in each event. I agree with aquacard, the season is just revving up, SC has not had that many meets and they do taper well. UA wins the dual meet, but the Districts will be closer.
 
Meet strategy

Should be interesting meet to see. Definitely think UA is a prohibitive favorite, especially if scoring only three swimmers . If St Charles has any advantage it would be their depth, which would not show up here as much as at districts. UA has a first year coach and the two coaches are friends. Does deBear show his district lineup and go for an overwhelming victory? Does St Charles show its district lineup and try to keep it as close as possible, or do they train through the meet and swim their lineup in alternate events and hope that UA gets overconfident? Do the lineups and the psychology even matter? What effects have the holiday training had on times and are the teams both healthy? Should be fun to watch.
 
aquacard said:
The season is young. Times start dropping after the heavy Xmas yardage. Not predicting victory for SC but both the head to head & the district will be closer than they look on paper.
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Nice call aquacard, 118 to 58; that is closer than on paper by at least a point or two.
 
Yikes, how did I get the scoop on the score before jonesy commented. Are we to believe that the loyalest of all Bear fans was not at the meet? Of course I am joking you, looks like a good Bear victory as called. Can't wait to see some of the individual results in the morning paper.

Congrats to Coach de Bear.
 
Wow! Impressive performace by UA. They won everything but the 50 where Willi touched out Rabe. They went 1,2 in the 200, IM, 100, 500, Back, Breast, & 400 Free Relay. SC had no diving. Here are the winning times:

200 medley relay: UA 1:40.03.
200 free: Long (UA) 1:47.01.
200 IM: Reardon (UA) 2:00.26.
50 free: Willi (SC) 22.96.
1M diving: Calhoun (UA) 139.65.
100 butterfly: Jelen (UA) 54.05.
100 free: Rabe (UA) 49.04.
500 free: Long (UA) 4:53.0.
200 free relay: UA 1:30.85.
100 back: Neri (UA) 54.07.
100 breast: Rabe (UA) 1:02.72.
400 free relay: UA 3:22.54.

Hopefully someone will post the full meet results somewhere as both teams had strong times throughout the lineup. UA's lineup looked to be their district one; not sure that SC had its district lineup, but it wouldn't have changed the outcome. They also swam a full JV meet which looked to be closer and probably went SC's way if they scored it. No question deBear has the Bears humming. Congratulations UA good meet. UA v. Cville should be very, very competitive.
 
Ua Sc

Agreed. UA looked impressive. They have to be considered in the running for a state title, although this is a year with several outstanding teams. St Charles swam well from top to bottom, but is missing some top tier swimmers relative to the state's elite.
 
Dual Meet Results, top three places

200 medley relay: UA 1:40.03. SC 1:41.63, SC-B 1:42.03
200 free: Long (UA) 1:47.01. Culter (UA) 1:48.42, Krumpelman (SC) 1:50.98
200 IM: Reardon (UA) 2:00.26. Rabe (UA) 2:01.74, McKinley (SC) 2:04.74
50 free: Willi (SC) 22.96. Rabe (UA) 23.06, Polter (SC) 23.15
1M diving: Calhoun (UA) 139.65. SC no divers
100 butterfly: Jelen (UA) 54.05. Willi (SC) 54.23, Chin (UA) 55.78
100 free: Rabe (UA) 49.04. Neri (UA) 49.46, Kocher (SC) 50.90
500 free: Long (UA) 4:53.0. Cutler (UA) 4:56.82, Jack (SC) 5:03.78
200 free relay: UA 1:30.85. (SC) 1:31.48
100 back: Neri (UA) 54.07. Trace (UA) 55.56, Kocher (SC) 55.89
100 breast: Rabe (UA) 1:02.72. Reardon (UA) 1:03.76, D'Angelo (SC) 1:04.80
400 free relay: UA 3:22.54. UA-B 3:25.87, SC 3:28.45
 
What about all the other athletes who have recorded times faster or close to these times you all post here? Are we all to believe that nobody else is going to show up? You all can't assume that not a single person will slide into these gaps and take points. Races are won and lost by .01 of a second. Guess that's why we swim the tournaments after all isn't it. Some will thive on the competition and some will fold. Some will get sick and I promise you someone will complain that their taper was off or messed up by the coach. There is also the claim that the coach messed up the line up, this kid should have swam this event instead and so on. You all keep beating your chests and making claims but do you have a cyrstal ball? If you do please contact me I have some really important questions to ask it that don't involve High School Sports! Sorry guys it just seems bit over the top sometimes. Relax and enjoy the time spent watching your sons have fun in High School Sports. Because after it is all done it becomes history and in several years it's just not that important any more. Lately I have met parents who can spit out times from athletes 10. 20 and 30+ years ago who smoke a majority of the boys swimming today and the names are not familiar to most of the boys now. So yes it does become history, maybe something to hold onto for the glory days talks at class reunions but that's about it. Relax, have fun, tell you boys they are doing great and give 'em all a big pat on the back. In the big picture for the most part they are good kids who are staying on the right path to do good things in the real world.
 
What are you saying?

Not really sure what your point is here WaterDad? I think most would agree that kids' efforts should be appreciated regardless of times and that good performances are not everything or confined to just a few kids. I for one agree with what I think you are saying that parents and spectators should not get too hung up with all of this stuff, but I do not see anything inherently wrong with following times and speculating on future performances either. I also think it is ok for parents to try to make sure their kids are giving their best effort, even if that requires not saying "great job" every time. For parents that want to blame or challenge coaching decisions, that is a little bit trickier. It is rarely helpful to a program midseason and parents need to allow coaches to coach. A knowledgeable parent, though, I think should have a voice with the coach at times as the parent knows much more about the swimmer's academics, health, and general well-being.
 
Waterdad: Perhaps this speculation is fun and interesting to some and that is all there is too a message board like Yappi. There is money waged, no scholarships decided. Just talk and predictions and contradictions.
 
Sorry new to this and I guess I don't totally understand. It is just that in this and other "threads" I have read things sometimes seem to get a bit out of hand, in my opinion. I guess if this is fun for everyone, no harm no foul. But a few seem to take it a bit to far from what I've seen and this puts unrealistic pressure on the boys. As we go down the stretch I have noticed more complaints in the bleachers and some coaches appear to be feeling it also. But then again maybe I'm overly sensitive and all this is normal. Was not trying to ruffle any feathers just make some observations and figure it all out. Thanks for the feedback.
 
preeder61 said:
200 medley relay: UA 1:40.03. SC 1:41.63, SC-B 1:42.03
200 free: Long (UA) 1:47.01. Culter (UA) 1:48.42, Krumpelman (SC) 1:50.98
200 IM: Reardon (UA) 2:00.26. Rabe (UA) 2:01.74, McKinley (SC) 2:04.74
50 free: Willi (SC) 22.96. Rabe (UA) 23.06, Polter (SC) 23.15
1M diving: Calhoun (UA) 139.65. SC no divers
100 butterfly: Jelen (UA) 54.05. Willi (SC) 54.23, Chin (UA) 55.78
100 free: Rabe (UA) 49.04. Neri (UA) 49.46, Kocher (SC) 50.90
500 free: Long (UA) 4:53.0. Cutler (UA) 4:56.82, Jack (SC) 5:03.78
200 free relay: UA 1:30.85. (SC) 1:31.48
100 back: Neri (UA) 54.07. Trace (UA) 55.56, Kocher (SC) 55.89
100 breast: Rabe (UA) 1:02.72. Reardon (UA) 1:03.76, D'Angelo (SC) 1:04.80
400 free relay: UA 3:22.54. UA-B 3:25.87, SC 3:28.45
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Thanks preeder. My memory is that the 4-6 times were generally pretty close to the 3rd place time. There also was little to no fall off from those times and the top time in the JV heat. Point being that both teams showed some impressive depth and significant improvement by their lower tier swimmers since the beginning of the season. Can't wait to see where things end up at the taper meets.

Waterdad: Your concern is understandable and legitimate in some instances. Part of the fun of high school swimming is to see the improvement and progression of the swimmers during the season. Hopefully no one in their posts is trying to create undue pressure on the swimmers or undermine coaches. While the occasional mean spirited post is made, usually others are quick to scold when that happens. As preeder points out the speculation generally is fun and interesting to those who follow the sport.
 
District Competition

One thing that may stick out from these results is the possible District gap between UA and all the other teams, SC included. I might even ponder the possibility that second place in the Central District might be up for grabs? UA might not even fully taper for Districts and leave it all for the State Tournament?

What say you rjones, visionary of all things Golden Bear related?
 
200 Free: 1:45 low
200 IM: 1:59 mid
50 Free: 21 high
Fly: 52 high
100 Free: 48 low
500 Free: 4:45 low
Back: 54 low
Breast: 1:00 mid

With rare exception swim that time and you qualify for the D1 state meet.
 
SC third or lower?

I think talk of SC finishing below second is crazy-talk. In every event where they are not represented in the top ten times in district, they essentially have three or four guys right below the cutoff. They should have nearly everyone score at districts, although they may not take the top one or two spots. Also the SC-UA meet was not a district lineup for SC and they were missing at least a couple district scorers from last season, who didn't swim. Their relays have not been set and will certainly improve as they begin swimming their fastest swimmers together. I just don't see another team with nearly enough depth to compete for a top two spot. As far as UA tapering for states, for more than a handful of their swimmers, I think that would also be a mistake. Many will be relying on at-large bids after districts. If UA cannot compete for a state title, it would make the most sense to win districts as a team and get as many swimmers to state as possible in order to garner experience. They have a history of underestimating St Charles and even though it does not look they are in jeopardy of losing the district meet this year, if they do it again by tapering for states, it could come back to bite them.
 
scwat said:
I think talk of SC finishing below second is crazy-talk. They have a history of underestimating St Charles and even though it does not look they are in jeopardy of losing the district meet this year, if they do it again by tapering for states, it could come back to bite them.
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I just like shaking it up when it concerns UA and SC. Curious, who scored at districts last year from SC but did not swim in the UA dual meet. Looked to me like all were represented.
 
preeder61 said:
One thing that may stick out from these results is the possible District gap between UA and all the other teams, SC included. I might even ponder the possibility that second place in the Central District might be up for grabs? UA might not even fully taper for Districts and leave it all for the State Tournament?

What say you rjones, visionary of all things Golden Bear related?
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Finally you're seeing the light preeder. It's like the old days when UA swam the district meet in their drag suits. The taper will be for the state meet. The district is already won, despite the SC fans' wishful thinking.
 
rjones said:
Finally you're seeing the light preeder. It's like the old days when UA swam the district meet in their drag suits. The taper will be for the state meet. The district is already won, despite the SC fans' wishful thinking.
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The old days were when Worthington was one high school and the rivalry was between UA and Worthington!
 
swimfan said:
They use to do that under Chapman. It always seemed demeaning to the opposing swimmers. Glad the new rules eliminate teams being able to do that.
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They use to do it when they could because no one else in the Central District could compete with them. That hasn't been the case since 2005. Even if legal no team would swim the district in drag suits in this day and age. Everyone will be suited up and either fully or nearly fully tapered including UA.

The difficult thing for deBear is that swimmers don't all taper the same, and much of it is mental. A coach even a very good coach like deBear may need a taper or two to fine tune and get it right for the individual swimmer. He also needs to gain the swimmer's trust that he knows what is best for the swimmer. That can make a huge difference in the taper. It will be interesting to see how things go for UA. As much as SC may wish, the talent at UA is just too great for them to overcome even with a strong taper and a poor one by UA. And as dominant as UA will be, they may not score all their swimmers at the District as SC has in the past. There are alot of quality swimmers in the Central District outside of UA & SC.

At the state level next year is probably UA's best opportunity to challenge for the title. This year a third place finish would be excellent. Much may depend on whether Cville blows their taper as they have in the past. For SC a top 5 finish would be remarkable. They have good swimmers, but just don't have the marquee swimmers of the recent past. Perhaps their rise in water polo has impacted on their swimming improvement. The next couple weeks should give some indication for both teams as SC is at the Northeast Classic this weekend and then swims Cville next week. UA swims Cville next weekend.
 
swimfan said:
They use to do that under Chapman. It always seemed demeaning to the opposing swimmers. Glad the new rules eliminate teams being able to do that.
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How's it demeaning to taper your swimmers for only the biggest meet? That's all they were doing. Their not at fault because their talent level was so high that they could win without a taper and fast suit.

And dutchman...don't worry, UA will hit the taper this year and finish no lower than third at the state meet...higher if things break right. They will finish off Centerville Saturday. SC will be lucky to place in the top 10 at the state meet. They won't qualify more than 5 swimmers - including relays.
 
rjones said:
And dutchman...don't worry, UA will hit the taper this year and finish no lower than third at the state meet...higher if things break right. They will finish off Centerville Saturday. SC will be lucky to place in the top 10 at the state meet. They won't qualify more than 5 swimmers - including relays.
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Break right, like X or StF don’t show? Nice to see you back rjones. Your posts...although frequently incorrect...are always entertaining. Good luck with Centerville.
 
rjones said:
Finally you're seeing the light preeder. It's like the old days when UA swam the district meet in their drag suits. The taper will be for the state meet. The district is already won, despite the SC fans' wishful thinking.
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Ralph, you are an embarrassment to all Upper Arlngton fans. It's hard enough being a UA swimmer without you painting a bulls eye on each swimmers back.
 
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